Spring Fashions

[Stormig]

I like the inspiration from the traditional - a pattern here, a hint there. I like that sort of exoticism in my jewellery, too. I'm wondering if those who mock some of the stuff would keep say the same about motifs derived from the Incas. For me it's not about whether I'd necessarily wear it myself - it's more the appreciation for the effort.

[kakachik77]

if something is mediocre I am going to call it mediocre without the regards if it pertains to Armenian, Georgian or American culture. It's not mocking as much as criticism and that always helps to improve things. I checked out some photos from New York's fashion week today and some designers were equally bad as some of the Armenian ones but of course some were fascinating.

 

All I am saying that we should not make ourselves feel better by not criticising something that needs improvement just because it's Armenian.

[Armen]

if something is mediocre I am going to call it mediocre without the regards if it pertains to Armenian, Georgian or American culture. It's not mocking as much as criticism and that always helps to improve things. I checked out some photos from New York's fashion week today and some designers were equally bad as some of the Armenian ones but of course some were fascinating.

 

All I am saying that we should not make ourselves feel better by not criticising something that needs improvement just because it's Armenian.

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Kakachik, criticism is always OK. But you were criticising a situation that Armenia was in early 90s. People, and especially girls in Yerevan, dress much better now. Do expect all the nation to turn into a very tasteful people. Eveyone? I am sure the next thing you will say if that happens will be something like: "Oh my God, how am I gonna feel special in all this mass of classy girls".

 

I think it has been long since you were in Yerevan last time. Also, as Anoushik noticed, lot of people do not have the time, the means and the heart nowadays ...

[kakachik77]

i was there in 2003 and coming back soon again, this is for work. I was referring to the fashion not the girls in the streets. Like I mentioned before, people in the streets are buying turkish merchandize so hopefully as I mentioned, that will change as the country becomes economically more developed. Some people also mentioned people's looks which is competely irrelevant to this topic. I actually think the Armenian people are very good looking just the wardrobe needs some improvement. Edited February 11, 2005 by kakachik77

[Armen]

Kakachik, do you agree that Armenian traditional themes, colorings, cloth figures etc. can be succesfully applied to produce fashion.

 

After all fashion is one of the most subjective things of all times. What you say is that Armenia needs to keep up with the leading centers of life in the world. Armenia needs to look what they do in Paris and do some of the same. The only thing that lacks is money. Always money. Do you think the fashion designers in Armenia are so stupid as to not understand that they have to go to some Western capital to learn something?

[Azat]

BTW: I think people in Armenia, especially the ladies, dress very very nice. I was not criticizing the way people dress, I was criticizing the 2-3 outfits from the site that Sulamita pointed out and the initial site

[Armen]

In general, I think there are no areas of creative activity that Armenians cannot achieve some very good results. Even if you do not criticise. There has never been lack of creativity among Armenians. It is matter of time only that someone will come up with something worthy.

 

As many and many has noticed in this board and in media and eveywhere else we have never had leaders who could organise peoples' lives in a way that they had time to create something.

[Nané]

Plus, have you been in Armenia lately and feel how people's clothes are different from the West?

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This is definitely a good thing in my book.

 

The first few days I felt in some Anatolian village, most clothes come from Turkey so what do you expect?

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Hmmmm ... creepy. I'm not sure how you would distinguish the Turkish made clothes unless you approached people and checked labels. And please be reminded of this thread ---- Click

 

What girls consider sexy is completely different form the West?

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Yes. They don't have pot bellies hanging out of their 2-sizes-too-small-low-cut- jeans.

 

The style of jeans that these girls were wearing I've only seen on Hispanic sweat shop workers in East Los Angeles.

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Are we talking about Erevan or some remote village?

 

I want to say, the fasion sense is not behind for few years from the West, but completely different. This will change as the nation becomes for economically developed, hopefully.

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IMP there is a salient difference between Northern American fashion and European. Armenia is taking after Europe, not the US. I have seen this first hand as I have vacationed in Europe on my way to Erevan. The fashion trends reach Armenia (and the surrounding area) way before they come to this side of the world. But even then, they get "Americanized" and turn to poo-poo.

 

Note: Majority of the city-girls in Armenia have an amazing sence of style and fashion. They know how to dress, accessorize, style their hair and most importantly they know the art of body posture and feminine conduct.

[Nané]

I wish I could find Angelina Babajanyan's fasion designs on the web. She has done some amazing things with traditional armenian fabrics and styles.

[kakachik77]

glad you noted this...this is the point, in the west nobody cares anymore about accesorizing etc...simple jeans and a top is sufficient enough.

 

I don't really enjoy armenian garments etc, I prefer Japanese fabrics and in general Japanese taste in colors etc. In the same manner I don't enjoy a lot of Indian fabrics, for me it's too much bright coloring.

[Nané]

glad you noted this...this is the point, in the west nobody cares anymore about accesorizing etc...simple jeans and a top is sufficient enough.

 

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By saying the West do you only mean the US?

[Siamanto]

if something is mediocre I am going to call it mediocre without the regards if it pertains to Armenian, Georgian or American culture.

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I agree with you! However, I would appreciated if you could elaborate and explain what makes them "mediocre?" The choice of fabrics, the choice/mix of colors, the cuts, the style, the workmanship etc. etc?

Can you please provide a list of fashion designers that you appreciate? Thanks!

 

As a reference, I have provided - repeated below - a list of non-Armenian designers that I appreciate.

- Galliano

- Christian Lacroix

- JP Gaultier

- Issey Miyake

- Junko Shimada

 

I have also provided a list - repeated below - of Armenian designers that I find talented:

- Avetisian Syuzi

- Dudukchian Inga

- Manukian Yulia

- Sharbatyan Arthur

- Stepanyan Margarita

 

I'm looking forward for your list!

Let's compare!

 

 

 

 

It's not mocking as much as criticism and that always helps to improve things.

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For the record: I don't think you mocked the Armenian designers. I did not use the words in reference to your criticism!

 

 

 

 

I checked out some photos from New York's fashion week today and some designers were equally bad as some of the Armenian ones but of course some were fascinating.

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Please provide names/references. Thanks!

 

 

 

All I am saying that we should not make ourselves feel better by not criticising something that needs improvement just because it's Armenian.

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I believe that most - if not all - members of this forum would agree with you!

[kakachik77]

I am glad I am the controversy lady today

 

Kai Milla (I just saw the photos of her work today on NY fashion week)

Oscar de la Renta

Valentino

Yohji Yamamoto

Vera Wang

 

 

what I don't see in the Armenian designers is a level of sophistication, it's a mixture of things, differs from one designer to another. But most of all, I don't accept the apologetic attitude of "oh we should be satisfied that at least we have that". No, I want to see at least ONE designer from Armenia (not a diasporic one) representing the country out there on the big stage. Can we make this happen?

[Azat]

This is definitely a good thing in my book.

Hmmmm ... creepy.  I'm not sure how you would distinguish the Turkish made clothes unless you approached people and checked labels.  And please be reminded of this thread ---- Click

Yes.  They don't have pot bellies hanging out of their 2-sizes-too-small-low-cut- jeans.

Are we talking about Erevan or some remote village?

IMP there is a salient difference between Northern American fashion and European.  Armenia is taking after Europe, not the US.  I have seen this first hand as I have vacationed in Europe on my way to Erevan.  The fashion trends reach Armenia (and the surrounding area) way before they come to this side of the world.  But even then, they get "Americanized" and turn to poo-poo.

 

Note: Majority of the city-girls in Armenia have an amazing sence of style and fashion.  They know how to dress, accessorize, style their hair and most importantly they know the art of body posture and feminine conduct.

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Aneta, I agree with all your comments here.

 

I found that women in general dress much nicer in Yerevan than in LA. Maybe only in SOHO and Manhattan you will find young(20-30) year olds dressed nicer in the states. BTW: This is also true of many European cities.

 

And yes the US is 1 year behind fashion trends of Europe while the same fashions get to Yerevan within few weeks

[kakachik77]

Aneta, I agree with all your comments here.

 

I found that women in general dress much nicer in Yerevan than in LA.  Maybe only in SOHO and Manhattan you will find young(20-30) year olds dressed nicer in the states.  BTW: This is also true of many European cities.

 

And yes the US is 1 year behind fashion trends of Europe while the same fashions get to Yerevan within few weeks

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SOHO is IN Manhattan

[Azat]

i know. I should have said certain sections of Manhattan

[Siamanto]

I am glad I am the controversy lady today

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Instead of picturing yourself in the corner, consider being the center of attention! A different perspective!

 

 

Kai Milla (I just saw the photos of her work today on NY fashion week)

Oscar de la Renta

Valentino

Yohji Yamamoto

Vera Wang

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Thanks!

(Note: in what follows, I'm basing my appreciation mainly on Fall Collections. It's more difficult to be creative with Spring Collections.)

 

1 Kai Milla

I did not enough free pictures of her work; so I can't express an opinion!

 

2 Oscar de la Renta

I agree that he's an accomplished, creative and daring professional. Overall, I liked the Fall 2005 Collection.

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashio...ardelarenta.htm

What I don't like in him is of subjective nature i.e. taste. I don't like:

- use of "paillettes" (those shiny little things!)

- detailed "arabesque!" embroidery

- laces

- shiny fabrics

- American style gowns - but I like the gowns with "curtain fabric!" The ones with flowers painted

Overall, I like the choice of fabrics and colors.

 

-Valentino

I found his work a bit mediocre: both Women and Men Collections.

For instance, check the Fall 2003 Collection at

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashio...s/valentino.htm

 

- Yohji Yamamoto

Dod not care much for his Women Collection - with the exception of one or two black ones.

I prefer his Men Collection. Personally, I would consider wearing some of his Men Collection.

http://men.style.com/fashion/collections/F...ete/thumb/YYMEN

Overall, I enjoy his contemporary minimalist taste!

 

- Vera Wang

I prefer her work to Oscar de la Renta's.

I enjoy the minimalism, the simple cuts and the mixture and nature of the colors she uses! Please allow me to sound prejudiced and say: "after all, she's of Chinese

background and de la Renta Latino!"

Fall 2005 Collection at

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashio...os/verawang.htm

 

I also like more creative fashion Collections where the designer dares to "paint and sculpt!"

Check Galliano's 2004 Fall Collection at

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashio...s/johngalliano/

and

http://fashionfile.com/designers/JohnGalliano.html

 

Needless to say that this is not everyday wear, but Haute Couture.

 

I'll try to find some old Lacroix. The best I could find is

Fall 2002 Collection.

http://fashionfile.com/designers/ChristianLacroix.html

 

 

 

what I don't see in the Armenian designers is a level of sophistication, it's a mixture of things, differs from one designer to another.

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Can you please elaborate? Thanks!

What you think of the following?

- Avetisian Syuzi

- Dudukchian Inga

- Manukian Yulia

- Sharbatyan Arthur

- Stepanyan Margarita

 

 

But most of all, I don't accept the apologetic attitude of "oh we should be satisfied that at least we have that". No, I want to see at least ONE designer from Armenia (not a diasporic one) representing the country out there on the big stage. Can we make this happen?

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We already agreed that the fact that they're Armenian is not a sufficient reason to praise their work. However, you should not be harsher on them only because you are proud of your ancestry and would like to see them shine!

 

Personally, I view the works displayed at fashion.am as prototypes; they are not finished works!

Like any other prototype, they are poorly manufactured, they are not polished, they are poorly presented and "packaged."

They are simply proof of concept, and I am impressed by some of the concepts!

It will take some time, exposure, maturity and funds before they will be able to export their work.

On the bright side, the most valuable element in a creation is the vision, the inspiration, the dream; the rest is only a matter of time, effort and money!

Edited February 13, 2005 by Siamanto