Anoushik Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I have an assignment coming up in which we have to pick an icon and discuss what that icon means for a certain culture. I plan to write about Mt. Ararat and its meaning to the Armenian people. I want to ask you: when you think of Mt. Ararat what comes to mind? Words, expressions, feelings, etc. Here's a random number of things I've been thinking about for some days: Pride Faith Love of homeland Ours Nostalgia Strength Loss Tragedy History ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Anoushik Jan, all the above, How one and being an Armenian can differentiate rationally what this mountain means to us? But add one more to your list, passion! I think it’s very important in life. If not anything this mountain had made us in some sense passionate about our homeland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Thank you Edward. That's it, passion. I think in the list also needs to be included literature, music, arts, since Ararat has inspired works in these categories. In the paper I have to answer the question what that icon says about that culture. I'd appreciate if you guys could say what you think Mt. Ararat reveals about us. Also... divinity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Anusik ja tuyl tur hayeren artahaytem es verjinin, Hayots inqnagitaktsutyan mej chka aveli azdetsik, aveli veh, aveli nershchvats, vor tsnunde tvel bazmativ stextagortsutyuneri, hanjarnerin nershnchele stextsgortsman axbyur, huso astx! kareli e asel Hayots azgi gerakshrox u amenakarevor, te line da patmakan, te grakan, te arvesti bnagavarum, apa Masis@/Ararat@ hadisatsele amena karevor drtich@ inchu che Ararat@ kareli e nayev hamrel Hayots astvats/vehutyun/kurq u srputyun/divinity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Edward, shat shnorhakalutyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Would Mt. Ararat hold the same significance for the Armenian people if it didn't have the Christian connotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 (edited) I think Mt. Ararat is more of an insult, than a historical symbol to the Armenian people, because it isn't Armenian anymore. How could you wake up every morning in Yerevan, see Mt. Ararat (or should I say Mt. Agri?) and remember that it isn't part of Armenia? Edited January 26, 2005 by Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think Mt. Ararat is more of an insult, than a historical symbol to the Armenian people, because it isn't Armenian anymore. How could you wake up every morning in Yerevan, see Mt. Ararat (or should I say Mt. Agri?) and remember that it isn't part of Armenia? style_images/master/snapback.png I disagree, if a land has any name writen on it, from what it is if not of the time it shared with its people. Call it Ararat, Masis or Agri, Ararat is a symbol, everytime I see it from pictures I have a "mystical" feeling, something esoteric as if I was travelling in time. I dream of Ararat very frequently, of a huge Mount without frontier where clowds hides the top. The Turks may have stolen the land, but never were they able to write their name on that Mount, that Mount elevate trough the skies and the Turks will never be able to hide its vew from Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=91...ndpost&p=129520 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 something esoteric style_images/master/snapback.png Ha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Ha? style_images/master/snapback.png OK! you got me there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 (edited) I disagree, if a land has any name writen on it, from what it is if not of the time it shared with its people. Call it Ararat, Masis or Agri, Ararat is a symbol, everytime I see it from pictures I have a "mystical" feeling, something esoteric as if I was travelling in time. I dream of Ararat very frequently, of a huge Mount without frontier where clowds hides the top. The Turks may have stolen the land, but never were they able to write their name on that Mount, that Mount elevate trough the skies and the Turks will never be able to hide its vew from Armenia. style_images/master/snapback.png This may possibly be your most sincere expression as an Armenian yet I witnessed. I liked it very much Edited January 26, 2005 by Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 (edited) I have an assignment coming up in which we have to pick an icon and discuss what that icon means for a certain culture. I plan to write about Mt. Ararat and its meaning to the Armenian people. I want to ask you: when you think of Mt. Ararat what comes to mind? Words, expressions, feelings, etc. Here's a random number of things I've been thinking about for some days: Pride Faith Love of homeland Ours Nostalgia Strength Loss Tragedy History ... style_images/master/snapback.png anoushik, Yesterday, I read an article about Rouben Adalian - the painter - where he says: "I can see Ararat in front of me, why shall I paint it?" Maybe a Symbol betrays/hides the Absence of... PS. I like your new signature! Edited January 26, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 too primitive and sentimental, but... http://www.learnarmenian.com/downloads/ararat.swf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Thant you Harut. It's great material for my essay. Do you know who is the author of the writing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think Mt. Ararat is more of an insult, than a historical symbol to the Armenian people, because it isn't Armenian anymore. How could you wake up every morning in Yerevan, see Mt. Ararat (or should I say Mt. Agri?) and remember that it isn't part of Armenia? style_images/master/snapback.png Mt. Ararat is ours and some day it'll be considered ours by the international laws as well. Thank you for writing this as this tells me that I shouldn't bother talking to you about the history and culture of the Armenians. It's clearly evident that you don't know anything about it and don't care. Are you even Armenian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Would Mt. Ararat hold the same significance for the Armenian people if it didn't have the Christian connotation? style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, I think it would. When I think of Mt. Ararat I think of the idea of home. Maybe Ararat has such significance for the Armenians because throughout our tragic history we've been away from our homeland. And Ararat, standing strong and proud, clearly visible from Yerevan, showed that there was no mistake, that the Armenian going back to Armenia really was at home. It's really hard to express this with words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 anoushik, Yesterday, I read an article about Rouben Adalian - the painter - where he says: "I can see Ararat in front of me, why shall I paint it?" Maybe a Symbol betrays/hides the Absence of... style_images/master/snapback.png Siamanto, can you please clarify what you mean? I'm sorry, I don't understand, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 anoushik, Yesterday, I read an article about Rouben Adalian - the painter - where he says: "I can see Ararat in front of me, why shall I paint it?" Maybe a Symbol betrays/hides the Absence of... PS. I like your new signature! style_images/master/snapback.png Siamanto, can you please clarify what you mean? I'm sorry, I don't understand, style_images/master/snapback.png I understand Adalian's response as - more or less Maybe Ararat has such significance for the Armenians because throughout our tragic history we've been away from our homeland. And Ararat...showed that there was no mistake, that the Armenian going back to Armenia really was at home. It's really hard to express this with words. style_images/master/snapback.png He "sees" the real thing, he does not neet a picture/painting i.e. a symbol! Do you see now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Mt. Ararat is ours and some day it'll be considered ours by the international laws as well. Thank you for writing this as this tells me that I shouldn't bother talking to you about the history and culture of the Armenians. It's clearly evident that you don't know anything about it and don't care. Are you even Armenian? style_images/master/snapback.png Please Anoushik, he still has many things to learn, and still very young. And I can confirm he is Armenian. You should not ignore him, but show him the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I guess I shouldn't have edited my post. Before I edited, I wrote ''it isn't in Armenia anymore''. Then I changed it to ''it isn't Armenian anymore''. I really meant my non-edited version. Ararat will always be Armenian, but it's sad that we can't reach its' summit. I hope you understand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I hope you understand... style_images/master/snapback.png A bit, yes. Try to read more about the Armenian history and explore our culture more. It's really much more richer than you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 I tend to associate Ararat with strength, since our national symbols is a mountain (standing tall and proud) then somehow we as a nation have emulated that same attitude, that's why perhaps we have persisted for so many centuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 anoushik, Yesterday, I read an article about Rouben Adalian - the painter - where he says: "I can see Ararat in front of me, why shall I paint it?" Maybe a Symbol betrays/hides the Absence of... PS. I like your new signature! style_images/master/snapback.png Siamanto, can you please clarify what you mean? I'm sorry, I don't understand, style_images/master/snapback.png anoushik, One more thing: I have used "betrays/hides" because we often are unaware of the fact that the importance of a symbol may be explained by the absence of the object it refers to i.e. symbolizes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 anoushik, One more thing: I have used "betrays/hides" because we often are unaware of the fact that the importance of a symbol may be explained by the absence of the object it refers to i.e. symbolizes! style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, thank you. A very interesting point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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