What Is The Attraction To Moslem Men?

[Zartonk]

remember the cartoons? such chaos for nothing when christ is made fun of every day?

 

Ditto. THERE is the problem.

Edited September 29, 2006 by Zartonk

[aSoldier]

remember the cartoons? such chaos for nothing when christ is made fun of every day?

 

I agree.

 

But why do people make fun of Christ in the first place? In fact, why make fun of any religion at all?

 

Answers like "times are changing" & "expression of freedom" are full of crap.

 

It's time western society adopt the idea of respect.

[Sassun]

wev evolved since the middle ages, but their still fighting "the holy war", they still call us the crusaders.

Arguably, some others who claim they are the most evolved of all are waging a Crusade. I will leave it to you to determine the location and purpose.

 

Moreover, you are comparing the acts of a few (minority of fanatic Muslims) - yes, a few - to the non-acts of a majority (majority of Christians). Your comparison is one of apples and um, pumpkins.

[Sip]

But why do people make fun of Christ in the first place? In fact, why make fun of any religion at all?

 

I was watching NFL a few years ago. After the game, they interviewed one of the players about the touchdown that he had caught. I don't remember who he was because back then I didn't know much about football. But what he said was so funny that I remember it well even to this day. Without missing a beat, he said something along the lines: "Thank God I am trully blessed you know yah I was running my route and then God threw the perfect pass and all I had to do was catch it".

 

If that's not funny, I don't know what is. To me, usually the religion itself is not as funny as people's weird interpretations of it. But then again, all religions ARE interpretations because even the ones that are TRULY the word of God have been written down and passed down the generations by humans.

 

... the funniest part of this whole this was that the guy actually believed God threw him the pass. I doubt he will listen to anyone if they try to tell him God probably doesn't play quarterback usually.

[irlandahay]

Arguably, some others who claim they are the most evolved of all are waging a Crusade. I will leave it to you to determine the location and purpose.

 

Moreover, you are comparing the acts of a few (minority of fanatic Muslims) - yes, a few - to the non-acts of a majority (majority of Christians). Your comparison is one of apples and um, pumpkins.

 

no...

 

acts of a few fanatic moslems? excuse me?

the mobs for some fkn cartoon...the popes remarks that are some 1000 years old...they try to prove they are non-violent, by killing inncoent christians in the middle east. you probably know some moslems who are not fanatical...but THOSE are the minority.

 

im sorry but yes.

 

in fact, i was watching this show. a couple in france, heard the call of bin laden. they thought this man is a hero.

her husband imidiately "joined the great jihad". he blew himself up somewhere in afghanistan killing two people. this is in france. we are then discovering terror plots in england, terror plots in my canada! this cannot be ignored.

 

for gods sakes iv been listening to radio shows, back at the time of the cartoons. they were all saying how right it is to do what they do. to ask for the killing of the artist, burning embassys...wtf?!! this is the civilised islamic world?

 

they come to my beautiful countrey and try to impose their laws of evil on us (sharia, thank god the government passed the vote that it wouldnt be allowed here, of course, as a result, death threats.)

 

when you come to a country, a civlised one at that. you have to adapt, and respect the rules of conduct! you dont impose yourself. you dont go to aomeones house when you were genrously let in, impose yourself, claim watever, take whatever, destroy watever.

 

its just...uncivilised!

 

sassun, your in an arab countrey, youv grown up with all this, islamic BS and this fkn anti-israeli garbage.

 

armenia and israel...the last two countrys standing in the way of the islamic invasion.

[aSoldier]

even the ones that are TRULY the word of God have been written down and passed down the generations by humans.

 

What's your point? that they are less valid because it was written by man?

[Sassun]

no...

Then maybe you need to look up two words in the dictionary: majority and minority.

 

the mobs for some fkn cartoon...the popes remarks that are some 1000 years old...they try to prove they are non-violent, by killing inncoent christians in the middle east.

Who's "they"? I don't see some 300 million Muslims going on a killing rampage. Do you? Maybe CNN has been showing this instead of Israel's massacre of 1200 civilians.

 

you probably know some moslems who are not fanatical..

How many Muslims do YOU know? I live in a majority Muslim country. All my friends are Muslims, Sunnis and Shi'ites. None of them are fanatics. None of them have met any fanatics like the ones who attacked a church. The bottom line is: what in god's name are you ON?

 

Oh, right, so a couple in France, and a few Pakistanis in UK are now the majority of Muslims.

 

youv grown up with all this, islamic BS and this fkn anti-israeli garbage.

Will you stop making assumptions??!?!?! I have grown up among Christians, and as far as I can tell, comparing the Christians I grew up amongst and the Muslims I now am friends with, the former are fascists, the latter are NOT. Quit making assumptions. And anti-Israel garbage???? You call the anger and hatred over the killing of 1200 civilians and the destruction of an entire country for the sake of 2 soldiers "garbage"??

 

Why don't you go and join the KKK? I am sure they will embrace you as one of their own. Only that you should be more careful when talking in this manner about Jews. They might burn you alive.

 

One word is used to describe you and your likes (and believe me, I have met many like you outside this "Muslim-infested" country of mine). Now go away, kiddo, and learn a lesson or two in tolerance. Until you do that, stop preaching tolerance to others, for Christ's sake.

[irlandahay]

Then maybe you need to look up two words in the dictionary: majority and minority.

Who's "they"? I don't see some 300 million Muslims going on a killing rampage. Do you? Maybe CNN has been showing this instead of Israel's massacre of 1200 civilians.

How many Muslims do YOU know? I live in a majority Muslim country. All my friends are Muslims, Sunnis and Shi'ites. None of them are fanatics. None of them have met any fanatics like the ones who attacked a church. The bottom line is: what in god's name are you ON?

 

Oh, right, so a couple in France, and a few Pakistanis in UK are now the majority of Muslims.

Will you stop making assumptions??!?!?! I have grown up among Christians, and as far as I can tell, comparing the Christians I grew up amongst and the Muslims I now am friends with, the former are fascists, the latter are NOT. Quit making assumptions. And anti-Israel garbage???? You call the anger and hatred over the killing of 1200 civilians and the destruction of an entire country for the sake of 2 soldiers "garbage"??

 

Why don't you go and join the KKK? I am sure they will embrace you as one of their own. Only that you should be more careful when talking in this manner about Jews. They might burn you alive.

 

One word is used to describe you and your likes (and believe me, I have met many like you outside this "Muslim-infested" country of mine). Now go away, kiddo, and learn a lesson or two in tolerance. Until you do that, stop preaching tolerance to others, for Christ's sake.

 

funny how you are confused betweeen the false gods of socialism and the complete banality of nazism.

 

who are you to preach tolerance? iv seen your anti-israeli posts.

you cant hate jews, you can hate the zionists who give jews a bad name, you can hate the israeli government, but not the israelis.

 

i do not hate...i am canadian , actually no, what i mean is, i have many moslem freinds,a nd my best friend is a jew. but i dont like the principles of islam.

they came to my countrey and pollute it with their filth! tried to impose sharia on us and all their banal laws.

 

and its some dumbfuk atheist like you who will endup destroying our country! destroying our culture!

im fkn tired of iranians coming into armenia, and bringing back converted armenian women!

 

me...join the kkk? HAHAHA, i heard there still is a national-socialist (nazi) party in lebanon, why dont you go join that?

 

and why dont you call a jihad on all jews while your at it? im sure hitler would be pleased with you!

 

its morons like you who destroy our country and give it a bad name!

dont preach to me about tolerance you ignorant bitch!

 

who the fuk do you think you are?!

 

here a but a few jews who helped our cause GREATLY!

raphael lemkin, franz werfel, henry morgenthau... need any more?

 

piss off!

[Sassun]

1. I do not identify as a socialist.

2. I do not believe in any gods, be they "socialist" or otherwise.

3. Who said I hated Jews or Israelis?

4. You are free to dislike the principles of Islam, but to incite against Muslims as human beings IS racism/hatred/intolerance. And I don't care if you are Canadian. It makes no difference.

5. Actually they did not try to "impose" Shari'a on you. They merely wanted to see MUSLIMS being judged by Shari'a.

6. With their "filth"? OK. So you're not racist. I see.

7. Dumbf*** atheist?

8. Destroying your country? Which one is your country? Canada? Or Armenia? If the latter, why are you not living in Armenia?

9. Yes there IS a NAZIST party (though by no means socialist) in Lebanon, and you know who those are? They are not Muslims, they are CHRISTIANS, and they are called the Kata'eb (the PHALANGISTS). Luckily they have only 10-20 followers today.

10. Israel denies the Armenian Holocaust. Actually, most Jews don't want to hear the Armenian Genocide referred to as a Holocaust, because somehow they feel it lessens the "uniqueness" of their genocide.

 

"We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide." - Israeli foreign minister Shimon Peres in 2001

 

Break Free.

[Sip]

What's your point? that they are less valid because it was written by man?

 

Yes.

[irlandahay]

1. I do not identify as a socialist.

2. I do not believe in any gods, be they "socialist" or otherwise.

3. Who said I hated Jews or Israelis?

4. You are free to dislike the principles of Islam, but to incite against Muslims as human beings IS racism/hatred/intolerance. And I don't care if you are Canadian. It makes no difference.

5. Actually they did not try to "impose" Shari'a on you. They merely wanted to see MUSLIMS being judged by Shari'a.

6. With their "filth"? OK. So you're not racist. I see.

7. Dumbf*** atheist?

8. Destroying your country? Which one is your country? Canada? Or Armenia? If the latter, why are you not living in Armenia?

9. Yes there IS a NAZIST party (though by no means socialist) in Lebanon, and you know who those are? They are not Muslims, they are CHRISTIANS, and they are called the Kata'eb (the PHALANGISTS). Luckily they have only 10-20 followers today.

10. Israel denies the Armenian Holocaust. Actually, most Jews don't want to hear the Armenian Genocide referred to as a Holocaust, because somehow they feel it lessens the "uniqueness" of their genocide.

 

"We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide." - Israeli foreign minister Shimon Peres in 2001

 

Break Free.

 

1. haha. bullsh*t!

2. then dont call yourself armenian!

3. i didnt...you sorta did, when i asked u in a previous post...u said why should i not hate them? for killing 1200 civilians.

4. i never incited agaisnt moslems, as iv said, i have a moslem, and jewish friends! i disagree with the PRINCIPLE of islam!

5. do i give a flying cr*p? they tried to bring their laws into ours! another good example...they opened a mosque in a primarily non-moslem area. they wanted loud speakers to bother everyone at 5 am for morning prayer...of course the government denied it...thank god. wat about the protests for cartoons....the VIOLENT protests i should add. when you come to a new countrey, you have to follow the rules of conduct! you dont impose yourself on others! christ is made fun of every day...we dont blow shit up, nor do we burn embassys, nor do we beat christians to death, nor do we ask for the execution (not for the arrest...execution!) of the artist...what about the pope comments? they wanted to show that they are not violent, but for gods sakes, they were killing christians for what the guy said! fkn savages. im glad their ruining the middleeast so they dont have to bother me!

6. as iv said, the principles of islam...so what...call me a racist...altho i have moslem friends...wow

7. yes...its idiots like you who loose our values, and destroy all our countrey stands for!

my grandfather walked the desert at the age of 4...for being christian and armenian. being christian IS part of being armenian! our laws and values are based on our religion. we were the first. your going to spit on that? dont call yourself armenian!

8. destroying canada AND armenia! wait wait, i thought you considered yourself armenian? why dont you live there? look into your own plate before looking in mine! iv been there once, am going this summer again, and am going to move their once iv made a living. i may be half half, but i havnt forgotten armenia...

9. national socialist is the name of the german nazi party. nazi is some sort of abreviation. they are by no means socialist. but thats what they are called. only 20 followers? care to be 21?

10. yes, as iv said...hate the government...not the people! are you blind? did you not read what i posted?

did you not see the list of jews who help our cause and who have REALLY contributed?

maybe you didnt? why dont you look it up then. just cause some idiots have ties to turkey. as iv said, my jewish friend is a HARDCORE armenian supporter! and she herself said she is ashamed of the israeli government.

[Harut]

you kids need some...

 

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[irlandahay]

you kids need some...

 

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[Sassun]

10. yes, as iv said...hate the government...not the people! are you blind? did you not read what i posted?

did you not see the list of jews who help our cause and who have REALLY contributed?

maybe you didnt? why dont you look it up then. just cause some idiots have ties to turkey. as iv said, my jewish friend is a HARDCORE armenian supporter! and she herself said she is ashamed of the israeli government.

 

1. Watch your mouth young man.

2. I will call myself whatever I want, and I'm afraid YOU will have no say in THAT.

3. How exactly would I be hating all Israelis or Jews by saying that I hate Israel's crimes (killing 1200 civilians)? Quit manipulating.

4. Just because you have Muslim friends does not mean you are not inciting against Islam. YOU ARE. Moreover, you are using the typical argument of a racist when accused of racism : "oh I have many (insert whatever race/ethnicity here) friends".

5. Actually, unless you believe in totalitarianism, there is no "our laws" or "their laws". There are supposed to be laws that treat everyone equally. If you have church bells tolling, you should also have mosques that are able to use the loudspeaker. Don't start with the "this is a Christian country" b.s. In the same vein, if you allow straight people to get married, you should also allow gay people to get married. As for the "violent" protests, what violent protests were there in Canada? And how do these form the "majority" of Muslims? Also, last I checked, no one was whining when Mosques were being attacked, but everyone was up in arms when a Jewish school in Quebec was attacked. So anti-Muslim (and anti-Arab) hatred is now the new "anti-Semitism". Guess you can continue saying "never again!"

6. See #4.

7. What values are those? Values of intolerance and oppression? Values that are fascist, inciteful? Values that paint all people of a certain faith/way of life with one brush and refuse to accept that they are human beings too? So, tell me, why do you and your likes whine so much about Christians not being able to have a church in KSA, if you are into practicing the same thing in your country? By the same logic, shouldn't the Saudis for example have every right to say that this is a Muslim country so you have to abide by our rules here? Does that make the rules/laws right? What about what happened in Indonesia with Christians inciting a religious riot and killing Muslims, Indonesia which is a majority Muslim country? What about the Christian fascists in Lebanon who massacred thousands in the name of their Christianity? So those are all "in the past" and we should forget about them? Or should we forget about them because it is convenient for you to do so, because otherwise your entire system of fascist hatred of Muslims falls apart? Also about Armenians being killed for their religion, have you ever heard of something called pan-TURKISM? Guess not.

8. I consider myself a human being first!!! I do identify as Armenian, but only very loosely. And I don't consider Armenia "my country" so why should I go and live there? I leave that up to those who DO consider it their country, like YOU. Let me know when you move to Armenia.

9. They are not socialists because socialism restricted to one national group is NOT socialism. And why would I join a neo-Nazi party, the founder of which, Pierre Gemayel, was inspired by none other than Hitler? You seem to have a lot of growing up to do.

10. Where did I say I hate the people FOR being Israelis/Jews? Where did I deny that some Jews have been of immense help to the recognition of the Armenian Holocaust? (please point/quote). But I DID say that most Jews simply don't care, and I will elaborate here: or else we would've seen pressure on the government (because such issues of genocide are very sensitive to Jews, and they all whine left and right about Darfur, right?). I also don't see the Jewish Lobby in USA working towards the recognition of the Armenian Holocaust. Far from it, they are active tools in the DENIAL of the Armenian Holocaust. Or did you not know that? Most Jews live in Israel. Most Jews outside Israel support Israel, and therefore consider whatever is "necessary" for Israel's welfare (such as ties to Turkey) as "OK". That includes the denial of the Armenian Holocaust. Now they might not themselves deny it, but they ARE directly or indirectly, willingly or otherwise, supporting and perpetuating such denial. Do I care that they are Jewish? No, I just find it ironic and immensely hypocritical of them. And not just when it comes to the Armenian Holocaust, but to Israel's very own ethnic cleansing in '48 and '67 and arguably in South Lebanon in '06 (the plan was to depopulate south Lebanon in its entirety, and Israel still has not officially announced its final borders, nor denounced the ideology that calls for annexing all of south Lebanon up to the Litani River). You give me your friend's example, and how is your friend representative of the whole Jewish community outside Israel??? Did you take my advice and look up the word "majority" and "minority"? How about asking your parents what "individual behaviour" means???

 

I have no interest in continuing this discussion simply because we've strayed too far, and you seem incapable of understanding the basics of discussion. By calling me all that you called me you won't be advancing any of your points. Believe me.

[aSoldier]

Yes.

 

Wrong.

[Sip]

Wrong.

 

How?

[irlandahay]

10. yes, as iv said...hate the government...not the people! are you blind? did you not read what i posted?

did you not see the list of jews who help our cause and who have REALLY contributed?

maybe you didnt? why dont you look it up then. just cause some idiots have ties to turkey. as iv said, my jewish friend is a HARDCORE armenian supporter! and she herself said she is ashamed of the israeli government.

 

1. Watch your mouth young man.

2. I will call myself whatever I want, and I'm afraid YOU will have no say in THAT.

3. How exactly would I be hating all Israelis or Jews by saying that I hate Israel's crimes (killing 1200 civilians)? Quit manipulating.

4. Just because you have Muslim friends does not mean you are not inciting against Islam. YOU ARE. Moreover, you are using the typical argument of a racist when accused of racism : "oh I have many (insert whatever race/ethnicity here) friends".

5. Actually, unless you believe in totalitarianism, there is no "our laws" or "their laws". There are supposed to be laws that treat everyone equally. If you have church bells tolling, you should also have mosques that are able to use the loudspeaker. Don't start with the "this is a Christian country" b.s. In the same vein, if you allow straight people to get married, you should also allow gay people to get married. As for the "violent" protests, what violent protests were there in Canada? And how do these form the "majority" of Muslims? Also, last I checked, no one was whining when Mosques were being attacked, but everyone was up in arms when a Jewish school in Quebec was attacked. So anti-Muslim (and anti-Arab) hatred is now the new "anti-Semitism". Guess you can continue saying "never again!"

6. See #4.

7. What values are those? Values of intolerance and oppression? Values that are fascist, inciteful? Values that paint all people of a certain faith/way of life with one brush and refuse to accept that they are human beings too? So, tell me, why do you and your likes whine so much about Christians not being able to have a church in KSA, if you are into practicing the same thing in your country? By the same logic, shouldn't the Saudis for example have every right to say that this is a Muslim country so you have to abide by our rules here? Does that make the rules/laws right? What about what happened in Indonesia with Christians inciting a religious riot and killing Muslims, Indonesia which is a majority Muslim country? What about the Christian fascists in Lebanon who massacred thousands in the name of their Christianity? So those are all "in the past" and we should forget about them? Or should we forget about them because it is convenient for you to do so, because otherwise your entire system of fascist hatred of Muslims falls apart? Also about Armenians being killed for their religion, have you ever heard of something called pan-TURKISM? Guess not.

8. I consider myself a human being first!!! I do identify as Armenian, but only very loosely. And I don't consider Armenia "my country" so why should I go and live there? I leave that up to those who DO consider it their country, like YOU. Let me know when you move to Armenia.

9. They are not socialists because socialism restricted to one national group is NOT socialism. And why would I join a neo-Nazi party, the founder of which, Pierre Gemayel, was inspired by none other than Hitler? You seem to have a lot of growing up to do.

10. Where did I say I hate the people FOR being Israelis/Jews? Where did I deny that some Jews have been of immense help to the recognition of the Armenian Holocaust? (please point/quote). But I DID say that most Jews simply don't care, and I will elaborate here: or else we would've seen pressure on the government (because such issues of genocide are very sensitive to Jews, and they all whine left and right about Darfur, right?). I also don't see the Jewish Lobby in USA working towards the recognition of the Armenian Holocaust. Far from it, they are active tools in the DENIAL of the Armenian Holocaust. Or did you not know that? Most Jews live in Israel. Most Jews outside Israel support Israel, and therefore consider whatever is "necessary" for Israel's welfare (such as ties to Turkey) as "OK". That includes the denial of the Armenian Holocaust. Now they might not themselves deny it, but they ARE directly or indirectly, willingly or otherwise, supporting and perpetuating such denial. Do I care that they are Jewish? No, I just find it ironic and immensely hypocritical of them. And not just when it comes to the Armenian Holocaust, but to Israel's very own ethnic cleansing in '48 and '67 and arguably in South Lebanon in '06 (the plan was to depopulate south Lebanon in its entirety, and Israel still has not officially announced its final borders, nor denounced the ideology that calls for annexing all of south Lebanon up to the Litani River). You give me your friend's example, and how is your friend representative of the whole Jewish community outside Israel??? Did you take my advice and look up the word "majority" and "minority"? How about asking your parents what "individual behaviour" means???

 

I have no interest in continuing this discussion simply because we've strayed too far, and you seem incapable of understanding the basics of discussion. By calling me all that you called me you won't be advancing any of your points. Believe me.

 

hmmmmm, i guess you are right sassoon.

 

in any case, sorry bout the things iv said earlyer, i was just alittle frustrated.

but your not going to change my point of view, call me a racist if you like, but i do dislike islam in itself.

 

anyways, you are right, this discussion is straying, and im not interested in making enemys on hyeforum (altho i think i already had).

i am begining to see it your way tho.

 

theres just one thing i am going to comment on. i have heard of pan-turkism (pan-turanism). i fully understand it. but being christian didnt help our situation. we would have been less...hated if we were moslem...no?

and being christian...is part of being armenian!

 

in any case

i apologise again for my outbursts.

 

good day and farewell

[Sip]

If you dislike islam, aren't you a "religionist"?

[aSoldier]

How?

 

Well what do you mean when you say "this is invalid" because man wrote it?

 

Did you expect a book to fall from heaven down to earth?

Edited October 4, 2006 by aSoldier

[Sip]

Well what do you mean when you say "this is invalid" because man wrote it?

 

Did you expect a book to fall from heaven down to earth?

 

I didn't say a book written by man is "invalid" just because it is written by man. You asked if I thought a book written by man is "less" valid than the word of God and I said yes. I think anything spoken or written by man must be less valid than what God might say or write because man is not God. Man can never be as perfect as God.

 

As far as a book falling from Heaven ... I would hope God has the ability to at least make a DVD or a wireless broadcast or something rather than stick to 5000 year old technology

Edited October 5, 2006 by Sip

[aSoldier]

I didn't say a book written by man is "invalid" just because it is written by man. You asked if I thought a book written by man is "less" valid than the word of God and I said yes. I think anything spoken or written by man must be less valid than what God might say or write because man is not God. Man can never be as perfect as God.

 

You make sense here, but that's not what I meant.

 

You previously stated something along the lines of "even the ones that are TRULY the word of God have been written down and passed down the generations by humans"

 

you're implying that the word of God isn't captured in the Bible because it wasn't written by Him. And that's not true.

Edited October 6, 2006 by aSoldier

[Sip]

I would love to argue this for a few more pages but we are definitly off topic in this thread. Edited October 6, 2006 by Sip

[ALMA]

I know quite a few East European girls married to Moslems and I always wondered how they manage to overcome the cultural differences. There is this disillusion among some women that every Moslem owns an oil-well. For others, it is the feeling of domination. They just love master – slave relationship.

 

Just to disproof any generalization, one of the nicest persons that I know is a Lebanese doctor. My question is about those Moslems that are truly after the Quran, yet they would love to have fun with European girls.

 

Why they don’t stick to their own girls?

 

For many westerner's religion does not even exist. I don't think its the idea of having an oil well, its just that for many there religion is not important. However, there are very very few who carry the relationship longer than 2 3 years. I see British women covered and it makes me feel sick. There are Kurds from Iraq, nothing against them but 99.99% are ugly, shot, dirty, (wearing shoes with hills to look taller ) and lots of Polish and Russian girls who are good lucking go out with them. No self respect or value.

[Anonymouse]

This topic does not interest very much and so I thought I shall everyone know.

[Sip]

OMG you read my mind.