Anileve Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I know it's not a very pleasant topic to discuss, but I will go ahead anyway. A while ago I saw porn where a young woman who looked about 18 was being sodomized, but that was not the disturbing part. The most disturbing part was when her “partner” started gingerly slapping her around, then there were a few instances when he stepped on her head while he was in the act. Then he was forcefully pushing her, until the woman turned red and was gagging. I found the whole thing terribly disturbing, for I strongly felt that there was no way she could be enjoying that and most likely was brainwashed into the industry and taken advantage of. She objected to nothing and continued accepting such beastly treatment. Now mentioning this, I have to add that it was a very regular “film” with moderate and mild acts which are quite common, then all of a sudden that scene came up and I was glued to the screen with astonishment and disgust. I am convinced that women who like to be sexually abused have psychological problems resulting from a very low self esteem. Now…I mentioned this to my brother and how it absolutely repulsed me and how wrong it was. He, being the unofficial lawyer, decided to offer a counter argument. He stated that it is naïve for me to think that such women are victims and are with a terribly low self esteem and have a history of abuse. Some women, he insisted, may enjoy being sexually abused without the drama. Plus a woman in the porn industry obviously agreed to such treatment because legality is involved, also these women are old enough to make conscious decisions. I protested, saying that I have never met a woman who enjoyed such treatment and didn’t have a psychological problem, and I met many who were abused by their partners. Also I have heard stories that some women requested to be slapped, but it was later found out that they did indeed have psychological dysfunctions. He insisted that some women who enjoy it would probably not share such information because such actions are considered to be abnormal to the society, thus they may risk their reputation. But I really have never come across such cases, nor heard of any that involved psychologically healthy women who liked being sexually abused. Despite it all I couldn’t provide some definite facts that women of such sort really are somewhat dysfunctional. I yelled at him, saying that he has never encountered a case of women enjoying so why the heck is he defending his views, he lashed back saying that neither did I, so how can I possibly make such claims. He has a point, so do I. What do you think, are there some cases of women being psychologically healthy and enjoying such extreme forms of sexual endeavors? Domination doesn’t count, since it’s hardly based on completely disrespecting a human body without both parties agreement. I don’t know, I am puzzled. And I hope this post will not be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 All I can say is that there's some crazy stuff out there. And let's not forget that people do this for the money, and there is money because there is demand. I can't comprehend any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 (edited) I rarely watch Oprah but a couple of weeks ago she had guests who were swingers. I know it's not the same as S&M but I couldn't believe how respectable people could be into such things. The couple claimed to be highly educated (both had PhD) and they said that they enjoyed swinging because it added spice to their lives (or something like that). And while they were talking they seemed normal, but I can't understand how a mentally healthy individual can choose to have sex with other couples while the spouse watches and gets turned on, not to mention that they barely know anyone in the swingers party because they read about these parties on the internet. Edited January 4, 2005 by anoushik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Well, Anoushik - there's variety among consenting adults! Some people choose to engage in that sort of thing with people they know and trust, their "F-buddies," and others engage in it with people they don't know, just like some can have endless one-night stands, only with more people. I never cease to be amazed with some of the stuff I hear going around me. Overall I think it's like drugs and not crazed libido as some would dread to think, as people like to experiment and want to experience new things, only it doesn't have adverse health effects. And I find that people who are more never-get-out-of-the-city type are more lenient toward this sort of thing. Just my observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 All I can say is that there's some crazy stuff out there. And let's not forget that people do this for the money, and there is money because there is demand. I can't comprehend any of it. style_images/master/snapback.png These are my thaughts as well. And i wouldnt know anything about phsycologically sane people accepting this type of treatment.. In my opinion anyone having to do with the porn industry can not be sane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 These are my thaughts as well. And i wouldnt know anything about phsycologically sane people accepting this type of treatment.. In my opinion anyone having to do with the porn industry can not be sane. style_images/master/snapback.png No, of course not. They need to be institutionalised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Well, Anoushik - there's variety among consenting adults! Some people choose to engage in that sort of thing with people they know and trust, their "F-buddies," and others engage in it with people they don't know, just like some can have endless one-night stands, only with more people. I never cease to be amazed with some of the stuff I hear going around me. Overall I think it's like drugs and not crazed libido as some would dread to think, as people like to experiment and want to experience new things, only it doesn't have adverse health effects. And I find that people who are more never-get-out-of-the-city type are more lenient toward this sort of thing. Just my observation. style_images/master/snapback.png I guess this answers Evelina's question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I just like to comment on the women in the industry. They(majority) come from broken families and MANY have been abused as a child by a close relative and many times their own fathers. Also about the demand... There are many psycho men out there who want to abuse women and it is sad that the industry will create films to meet the needs of these fools. but I guess like with anything else where there is demand there will be supply... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 (edited) Edited January 5, 2005 by kakachik77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted January 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 (edited) nothing unusual, I am into that stuff. style_images/master/snapback.png Into being slapped around and stepped on? Edited January 4, 2005 by Anileve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted January 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 In my opinion anyone having to do with the porn industry can not be sane. style_images/master/snapback.png I guess I would have to schedule an appointment with a local shrink then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anileve Posted January 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I just like to comment on the women in the industry. They(majority) come from broken families and MANY have been abused as a child by a close relative and many times their own fathers. Also about the demand... There are many psycho men out there who want to abuse women and it is sad that the industry will create films to meet the needs of these fools. but I guess like with anything else where there is demand there will be supply... style_images/master/snapback.png Very true about the demands. The problem with porn I find is that it seems as if it is only intended for the male audience. Perhaps if they created more porn that would appeal to women as well, there wouldn't be so many objections. Usually you see a woman thrown around to the liking of the producers, but very rarely does she take some control in the situation, it gets rather dull after some time. Women don't seem to even demand climaxes, that's just outrageous to me. Every episode has a male climax, but not a female one. Basically it encourages women to be subservient, and I can see why so many women are uncomfortable with porn. Wouldn't the industry bring in so much more profit if it broadened the audience by catering to women's preferances as well? But back to the intial question. Are there really women who enjoy being abused without any psychological disorders? Stormy I see your point, but does that mean that enjoyment of such nature is possible or you are just stating "whatever floats your boat"? Experimentation along certain extreme lines means that there is something lacking in a spiritual or mental form, perhaps.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted January 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 yes, even worse things but it's my personal life, i won't get into it here. check a website called bondage.com and read their forums, you'll see there are tons more people like this. We humans are not perfect style_images/master/snapback.png Fascinating. So it's the thirst for pain that brings you pleasure? I don't mean to pull you in deeper into the disclosure of your personal choices, but if you don't mind giving away some of the basics. I am just interested if it's due to certian insecurities or complexes or do you find that it's a completely healthy desire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 (edited) Edited January 4, 2005 by kakachik77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I guess I would have to schedule an appointment with a local shrink then. style_images/master/snapback.png Nahh.. shrinks wont help yah ,,,, i didnt know you were in the porn industry. i wouldnt expect it either.. but.. i have been wrong before.. no pun intended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 (edited) yes, even worse things but it's my personal life, i won't get into it here. check a website called bondage.com and read their forums, you'll see there are tons more people like this. We humans are not perfect style_images/master/snapback.png By saying you are not perfect (in the context you used the phrase), you are admitting to it being wrong? Edited January 5, 2005 by gevo27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 no just being sarcastic, Gevo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 no just being sarcastic, Gevo. style_images/master/snapback.png haskanaliya.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I know it's not a very pleasant topic to discuss, but I will go ahead anyway. style_images/master/snapback.png Eve jan, I think this could be a good new signature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Very true about the demands. The problem with porn I find is that it seems as if it is only intended for the male audience. Perhaps if they created more porn that would appeal to women as well, there wouldn't be so many objections. Usually you see a woman thrown around to the liking of the producers, but very rarely does she take some control in the situation, it gets rather dull after some time. Women don't seem to even demand climaxes, that's just outrageous to me. Every episode has a male climax, but not a female one. Basically it encourages women to be subservient, and I can see why so many women are uncomfortable with porn. Wouldn't the industry bring in so much more profit if it broadened the audience by catering to women's preferances as well? style_images/master/snapback.png I tend to agree. BUT - but - there IS soft porn, at least on the net. But back to the intial question. Are there really women who enjoy being abused without any psychological disorders? Stormy I see your point, but does that mean that enjoyment of such nature is possible or you are just stating "whatever floats your boat"? Experimentation along certain extreme lines means that there is something lacking in a spiritual or mental form, perhaps.... style_images/master/snapback.png I don't know if it's "possible" or what... But I think that there is a limit to overcoming inhibitions and reflexes - even if people can swallow swords. I don't know, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I know it's not a very pleasant topic to discuss, but I will go ahead anyway. A while ago I saw porn where a young woman who looked about 18 was being sodomized, but that was not the disturbing part. The most disturbing part was when her “partner” started gingerly slapping her around, then there were a few instances when he stepped on her head while he was in the act. Then he was forcefully pushing her, until the woman turned red and was gagging. I found the whole thing terribly disturbing, for I strongly felt that there was no way she could be enjoying that and most likely was brainwashed into the industry and taken advantage of. She objected to nothing and continued accepting such beastly treatment. Now mentioning this, I have to add that it was a very regular “film” with moderate and mild acts which are quite common, then all of a sudden that scene came up and I was glued to the screen with astonishment and disgust. I am convinced that women who like to be sexually abused have psychological problems resulting from a very low self esteem. Now…I mentioned this to my brother and how it absolutely repulsed me and how wrong it was. He, being the unofficial lawyer, decided to offer a counter argument. He stated that it is naïve for me to think that such women are victims and are with a terribly low self esteem and have a history of abuse. Some women, he insisted, may enjoy being sexually abused without the drama. Plus a woman in the porn industry obviously agreed to such treatment because legality is involved, also these women are old enough to make conscious decisions. I protested, saying that I have never met a woman who enjoyed such treatment and didn’t have a psychological problem, and I met many who were abused by their partners. Also I have heard stories that some women requested to be slapped, but it was later found out that they did indeed have psychological dysfunctions. He insisted that some women who enjoy it would probably not share such information because such actions are considered to be abnormal to the society, thus they may risk their reputation. But I really have never come across such cases, nor heard of any that involved psychologically healthy women who liked being sexually abused. Despite it all I couldn’t provide some definite facts that women of such sort really are somewhat dysfunctional. I yelled at him, saying that he has never encountered a case of women enjoying so why the heck is he defending his views, he lashed back saying that neither did I, so how can I possibly make such claims. He has a point, so do I. What do you think, are there some cases of women being psychologically healthy and enjoying such extreme forms of sexual endeavors? Domination doesn’t count, since it’s hardly based on completely disrespecting a human body without both parties agreement. I don’t know, I am puzzled. And I hope this post will not be removed. style_images/master/snapback.png Some people have a fetish where they love having sex with amputees, who are otherwise normal citizens paying taxes to Bush and supporting our troops and saying "God Bless America". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 They show this really cheesy Latin soft porn once a week here on TV. Hot Latinos "making love". They don't show penetration (if any). In fact, they don't show genitals at all (male or female). Ani, although I don't want to reject the idea that there might indeed be some women who genuinely enjoy such treatment, I do agree that many (if not most) of the women in that genre of porn must be in some way abused or forced into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I don't think anyone does that because of their own personal will (at least anyone normal/sane wouldn't) They might be "coerced" indirectly because of their mental state and have become so marginal one can't even know where personal will begins. The same for people with fetishes. Most of them have some mental problem or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I don't think anyone does that because of their own personal will (at least anyone normal/sane wouldn't) They might be "coerced" indirectly because of their mental state and have become so marginal one can't even know where personal will begins. The same for people with fetishes. Most of them have some mental problem or the other. style_images/master/snapback.png Or perhaps it's our conservative way of looking at things which are alien to us. I know there are no fixed standards and not everything has a conventional explanation as personalities vary a great deal. I just have a hard time imagining that such acts are enjoyable, but I am not going to condemn them if they bring pleasure to some, as long as both parties agree and there is no force against will applied. Someone mentioned the movie "Crash" which I found very disturbing and shocking, because I lacked understanding and exposure. As for soft porn, I think it's even more degrading than hard core porn. Unrealistic scenarios without stimulant effects and a very cheesy performance. I do believe people can learn to improve their intimate relations from porn, but not the ones where the acts are manufactured fantasies that don't stand a chance in real life and if they encourage a one sided perspective. I don't know I am not a psychiatrist and I have not done any studies pertaining to this subject, and even thought I am not ready to understand it I am not going to rule out the possibility that such cases exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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