Sip Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 How about you sip? Our resident geek :) style_images/master/snapback.png OK I know Sulamita will beat me up for this but it's 3AM on a Saturday and I'm sure a little cynisim will be tolerated ... ... so having said that dear Arpa, I don't know about God but there is some multimedia content available on His Son and the ladies here may be delighted to learn that He is looking for someone to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GOD Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Hmmmm Arpa i'm going to see you soon, fase to fase, no need for video or audio Sip i'll see you in 59 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Astvats jan, I can see your IP address Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Astvats jan, I can see your IP address style_images/master/snapback.png it must be 127.0.0.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GOD Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Astvats jan, I can see your IP address style_images/master/snapback.png 50 years Sip + From now on your not only going to risqué the china Man - but also gave them CPR !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GOD Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 it must be 127.0.0.1 style_images/master/snapback.png i will see you in 277 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Oops, I forgot to give the link. Here it is: http://www.cwg.org/ I just googled his name style_images/master/snapback.png Thank you Anoushik, I browsed the site. According to the website he heard voices in his mind and put down notes. While I may not believe in him doing it 100% I am sure it is possible in general to hear voices without sound vibrations in the air, because many others have had similar experiences. The fact that he sold books and made a lot of money (probably, I don't know how much) is not actually bad. In my opinion he has done a good thing overall - wrote a book about God that has inspired many people. Many people write books on various subjects and make money, if that is normal and acceptable then this should also be so. One thing that raises a question to me is that the way God started to talk to him is unusual. Normally God speaks with people who have practiced prayer and meditation for a long time. But in his case he just wrote an angry note and God answered in a gentle voice. Sure, God's grace does not know any standards and God may answer to angry people too, so that would be possible, it's just unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 OK I know Sulamita will beat me up for this but it's 3AM on a Saturday and I'm sure a little cynisim will be tolerated ... ... so having said that dear Arpa, I don't know about God but there is some multimedia content available on His Son and the ladies here may be delighted to learn that He is looking for someone to date. style_images/master/snapback.png If I was not a believer of God I would not waste my time on anything that had to do with the subject. I am puzzled to see cynical and sometimes even hostile attitudes displayed to topics related to God. Sip, would you care explain the inner workings of your mind? What makes you to be cynical about things that you don't believe? Why talk about things that are not real to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 One thing that raises a question to me is that the way God started to talk to him is unusual. Normally God speaks with people who have practiced prayer and meditation for a long time. But in his case he just wrote an angry note and God answered in a gentle voice. Sure, God's grace does not know any standards and God may answer to angry people too, so that would be possible, it's just unusual. style_images/master/snapback.png You actually believe that God talked to him? Or there is a possibility that God could have talked to him? How can you believe that God it sitting around up there somewhere and waiting for people to just beg to Him before He pleases Himself by answering some of those poor people? It's inconceivable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 You actually believe that God talked to him? Or there is a possibility that God could have talked to him? How can you believe that God it sitting around up there somewhere and waiting for people to just beg to Him before He pleases Himself by answering some of those poor people? It's inconceivable to me. style_images/master/snapback.png People who have spoken to God say that God talks to us all the time, its us that cannot hear him, because we are not tuned. To listen to God means to be able to catch very fine vibrations. That attunement can be achieved through prayer and meditation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 People who have spoken to God say that God talks to us all the time, its us that cannot hear him, because we are not tuned. To listen to God means to be able to catch very fine vibrations. That attunement can be achieved through prayer and meditation. style_images/master/snapback.png Even so, what can God give us? Do we really need him in our world? What have these people gained from talking to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 (edited) Thank you Anoushik, I browsed the site. According to the website he heard voices in his mind and put down notes. While I may not believe in him doing it 100% I am sure it is possible in general to hear voices without sound vibrations in the air, because many others have had similar experiences. style_images/master/snapback.png Visit a psychiatric institution and you'll see a couple of people talking with god, if the shrink or the nurses are kind enough to tell the name of the condition for what they are treated for, most of the time it is schizophrenia. Hearing god talking is not something that rare among schizophrenics, in fact, after "paranoiac" inducing auditive hallucinations, it is one of the most common auditive hallucinations. And it even happens among "schizoaffective" mild forms of schizophrenia, where the "negative" symptoms are not that apparent, in fact most sect figures claiming such, have more chances to have mild schizophrenia than the full blown one, with the obvious negative symptoms following. First thing first, even for a believer in a god, such a story should be suspicious at best, since it is not a Marry apparition, or some Saint guy, or a statue talking etc. it is "god" in person, the said creator of the entire universe, having chosen one guy to talk with. In fact, this alone, with his delusions would be considered by a schrink as the 2 major positive symptoms of the condition, with a possible diagnosis. I am not telling that he is a psychotic, I would tend to believe that he is a liar having found a way to steal peoples hard earned money with his stories. Have I read the book? No I did not, only hearing him having communicated with god in question is enough to decide to NOT read the book. Even a priest will tend to take such stories as fables than genuine, because, it is not about a saint, or Marry etc. it is "God" in person, it would take such a big ego to actualy believe that the said creator of everything will actualy bother communicating with a mortal that is not more or less "pure" than any other people. Even mother Theresa didn't come up with such a story. Edited January 23, 2005 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 (edited) Sip, would you care explain the inner workings of your mind? What makes you to be cynical about things that you don't believe? Why talk about things that are not real to you? I guess it's the caring, nurturing, educator in me that hates to see a good mind go to waste down the wrong line of reasoning. I will give you examples: 1. If God exists, and God is limitless and all powerful, then why is God portrayed as limited in the Bible ... why does God need time to do things, to observe people, and to hand punishment/reward? 2. If humans were created right from the beginning, how do we explain dinosaurs or cave men? Maybe evolution doesn't explain them, but creation doesn't either so why believe in one or the other? 3. Why did such a powerful God need such a rediculous way of getting his message to his creations ... aka a book and some guy who died for everyone else's sins? Don't tell me it's a God thing I wouldn't understand either! Why do I keep questioning all these? Because I refuse to be a Lemming and just accept things because some guy in a pointy hat in a building with a pointy top waving a round metal object with smoke coming out of it tells me it is so while I constantly have to get up and and sit down when some other dude in the background is doing his best impression of the worst on American idiol. Edited January 23, 2005 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Even so, what can God give us? Do we really need him in our world? What have these people gained from talking to him? style_images/master/snapback.png That's the difference, those who would like to speak with God make an effort and succeed. Most people do not care, as you say do not need God. It is normal that they don't speak with God. And those who have spoken to God have gained knowledge and wisdom, and other things which you can get the sense if you read them... I can't tell in a few words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 1. If God exists, and God is limitless and all powerful, then why is God portrayed as limited in the Bible ... why does God need time to do things, to observe people, and to hand punishment/reward? style_images/master/snapback.png When the creation starts he creates time and space first. Than he descendes into time and space to continue the creation. The creation of global limits refers to the creation of human brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Even so, what can God give us? Do we really need him in our world? What have these people gained from talking to him? style_images/master/snapback.png Anoushik, what may be true for yourself wouldn't mean a thing to someone else. Truth is something relative for each person. There is no right or wrong in these matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 I guess it's the caring, nurturing, educator in me that hates to see a good mind go to waste down the wrong line of reasoning. I will give you examples: 1. If God exists, and God is limitless and all powerful, then why is God portrayed as limited in the Bible ... why does God need time to do things, to observe people, and to hand punishment/reward? Have you read the Bible? I haven't read it in full, but I get the impression that God is portrayed exactly as unlimited, not limited. BTW, there are many other scriptures, Bible is just one set of them. 2. If humans were created right from the beginning, how do we explain dinosaurs or cave men? Maybe evolution doesn't explain them, but creation doesn't either so why believe in one or the other? Who said that humans were created right from the beginning? 3. Why did such a powerful God need such a rediculous way of getting his message to his creations ... aka a book and some guy who died for everyone else's sins? Don't tell me it's a God thing I wouldn't understand either! What is ridiculous? It is your subjective feeling that it is ridiculous. Most people do not find it ridiculous. But that's not the point, the point is everyone can get God's message, if he/she really desires - without messangers and books. But many people prefer an easy way of getting messages from human messangers. If you knew a little more you would know that there have been other messengers who have brought the same messages in different words and different circumstances. BTW, what makes you angry? The thought that God may know something that you would not understand? Well, who said that you would understand everything. You are not omniscient Why do I keep questioning all these? Because I refuse to be a Lemming and just accept things because some guy in a pointy hat in a building with a pointy top waving a round metal object with smoke coming out of it tells me it is so while I constantly have to get up and and sit down when some other dude in the background is doing his best impression of the worst on American idiol. style_images/master/snapback.png It seems to me that you have some gross misconceptions. Perhaps a churchman tells you you must believe in this and that. So what? God is not limited in a churchman's mind or in books. There is such a big variety in spiritual practices and in religions. You and I are talking about very different things. You heard some things about the church, Bible and that is what you are talking about. I am more of a universalist. When I talk about spirituality I have a wide range of different spiritual practices, different books, different figures in mind. I sense that the messages are the same in all of this, the difference lies on the surface and in the wording. The message I have gotten is this - we are all equally capable of knowing God, there is not a single human being that if he/she wishes cannot be like Jesus or Buddha. So, your argument does not make much sense to me, because I am not claiming the things that you are assuming I am claiming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Anoushik, what may be true for yourself wouldn't mean a thing to someone else. Truth is something relative for each person. There is no right or wrong in these matters. style_images/master/snapback.png I understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig9 Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 (edited) Hello Anoushik and Nakharar Truth is NOT relative it is an ABOSOLUTE. Edited January 24, 2005 by Ludwig9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarCrazyo Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 that i would agree with there is a huge difference, however citing that god is your influence and your reason for going to war i find hard to relate to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 I am in the understanding 'we don't know'and people who claim to know are exercising creative license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Whatever happened to Sasun? Didn't he become a priest or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Whatever happened to Sasun? Didn't he become a priest or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garo Posted November 26, 2010 Report Share Posted November 26, 2010 Welcome back Sasun! Hope all is well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Thank you Garo! All is fine. Hope you have been fine too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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