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Ok everyone... It seems that this thread is becoming little more than a tit-for-tat insults. If picking fights and insults are all that's in order, then I'm afraid we'll have to simply close the thread. On the other hand, if you'd like to have a discussion, then great, please be our guest. I would be pleased to re-open this thread a little later once everyone decides to calm down and stop the insults. Thanks

Even on OS-X some of the newest Logitech mice don't have drivers (or have poor functioning drivers) for Mac. But that's not a big concern - if you can get a generic mouse working than you're set. The bigger problem will be IE - what version of IE for Mac do you have? I would suggest downloading the most recent version and seeing if that helps. Otherwise use Firefox. An upgrade to OSX is you're priority...

If anyone one from the forum is going on Monday, I'm sure that those of us who are too far away to be able to attend would appreciate any information on what was presented.

Gams, how do you propose we make Armenia a decent country without actually going there? A nation has to be built from within...."foreign money does not a country make" - i forget who said that....

TMNT - you are so one-track minded that you're entirely missing the point. Please try and make the distinction between the Isreali governement/policy makers, and your average jew (who is a person like you or me). Your sweeping generalisations are getting old and tired and need to be put to bed. I have asbsolutely no issues with you critiquing Isreali foreign (and domestic) policies and/or the proliferation of nuclear arms in the middle east as 'sactioned' (unofficially, of course) by the USA. In fact, you'll probably find that we'll find more points of agreement, than you think. No where, in any of my posts, will you ever find any 'support' of Isreal (as you put it) - I find their policies with respect to the Palestinians and their blatant disregard of UN resolutions absolutely deplorable. But I won't go ranting and raving in every thread about the 'evil jew'. Please give it a rest - you're sounding a lot like a fanatic. Finally, if we could keep this thread on topic....

Je dois visiter Marseille alors.. En passant, bienvenue chez HyeForum

I find it VERY sad that out of the 34 paragraphs in the article above the only thing you can comment on is the 'jews' part. bla bla bla jew jew jew..... is that all you think about?

I don'T get TMTs association of Topalian and Arnon Milchan???

Mind your language please.

just to follow up on the last couple of posts: 1. It is not illegal to own or view porno mags. America would be chock full of criminals if that were the case. The investigators found pornography IN HIS DRAWER... it's not like it was out on display. 2. It is not illegal to drink, nor is it an offence to own alcohol. How many underage kids do you know that have managed to sneak a drink or two incognito? Plenty. In the states, underage drinking has been increasing exponentially, including kids as young as 9 or 10 - and in most cases without the knowledge of their guardian. Why should kids behave any differently because they're at MJ's residence? I just want to point that out before we demonize MJ for owning alcohol and pornography, lest we become highly hypocritical as a society.

ATP News ARMENIA TREE PROJECT 65 Main Street, Watertown, MA 02472 USA Contact: Jeff Masarjian Email: jeff@armeniatree.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: June 6, 2005 Click here to read a letter from ATP Founder Carolyn Mugar to President Kocharian Armenia’s Shikahogh Nature Reserve and Mtnadzor Forest at Great Risk --ATP working with coalition of NGOs to protect this irreplaceable national treasure A coalition including Armenia Tree Project, Armenian Forests NGO, World Wildlife Fund, and Armenian Assembly of America are advocating for an alternative to the proposed route of a highway in the Shikahogh nature reserve in southern Armenia. Armenia, a country which historically had forest cover of 40-45 percent, is today at perilous risk of becoming completely deforested. Current estimates place forest cover at around eight percent, and at current rates of cutting, the last of the forests could be gone in as little as 20 years. More: read the entire press release.

That exactly the point - i don't think he IS a man, or considers himself as such. He thinks he's a kid - the other kids are just buddies to him. But them I haven't really been following all this - i belive that his childhood has messed up his head. He needs help, not prison.

and much more...

You're right - he is a nutcase. But our society made it so... Would I trust him with my kid? No way! Do I think he's a menace to society? Absolutely not... I'm pretty sure he's harmless (misguided yes, but mostly harmless)...

I think he was just a immature 'man' trying to be a kid himself...

Mos is right. Instead of always reacting (counter-attack) we should go on a well planned offensive. Not just ONE cd, or dvd, but an entire series of CDs, documenteries, films/videos, articles one right after the other.... just as the dust settles after one (while the Turks are gathering their forces to counter) we release another, and so on.... The truth is on our side, so lets exploit it. Distribution and awareness are the keys to a successful plan - we know we have the expertise and the resources, we just have to apply them correctly.

Yup he's weird. And who wouldn't be messed up after the childhood he had? The gut is just trying to be a kid - something he was never able to do... As for his innocence, I have NO idea what to think - but I'm happpy for him that he got cleared, somehow, I think this has been a bit of a witch hunt. I guess we'll never know for sure.

Anoushik, I have a pretty trusted source who has confirmed to me personally having VEIWED the DVD, and having described some of its contents. It is no longer a doubt (for me) that this is not a hoax. I should be able to have a copy of this DVD within a week or two and will update at that time.

Here you are Armat jan: the Letter to the Editor sent to the TIME magazine (Europe) regarding the DVD issue by the Chair of both the CRAG and 90th Anniversary Committees:

Here's some information from CRAG - there's also a link to a letter to the editor which I find much better than the genocide.info letter.

UPDATE: I have not seen the CD, but I can now confirm that it exists and has been distributed IN TIME MAGAZINE's June 6th issue along with a 4-page promotional colour leaflet and a DVD. The DVD has an approximately 40 minute segment that essentially attempts to disprove the AG and includes interviews with turcophile denailists such as the late Sam Weems and Bernard Lewis. I'm attempting to get a hold of a copy myself - more to come later.

Happy B day, Mouse!

I've emailed some contacts in Europe to see if any of them have recieved this issue - I should have a response not too long from now.

Yes, I have - but I would NEVER claim that TIME sent it to me! The article states that TIME MAGAZINE has DISTRIBUTED the DVD as part and parcel of the edition:

Doesn't mean it's true - the source of ALL of this mess is Turkish Press. The Armenian news agency have made their reports based on this information. No where have I seen any Armenian who has actually SEEN the damned CD in Time. Jury's still out, it may still be a hoax.