MJ

Cat, I have just a couple of minutes. Will be brief. Have a long trip ahead of me: 1. About the cover-up. Unless you present adequate evidence, and unless I am recommended to discount what you say as another “steam releasing” endeavor, I am going to call you a liar. 2. Nowhere have I said that you have used the expressions “fat-cat” in this paragraph. I have used your favorite expression to point here to those, who allegedly are building mansions using the stone from the quarries. However, I would reiterate that this paragraph of your is very unprofessional, and substandard even for your site (and I think your site is an excellent one, overall). And as far as the “presenting the evidence” is concerned, if this is the level at which you normally present evidence, I wouldn’t be surprised that you would not achieve any results. 3. If you had elementary ability to make sound judgments in such matters (let me borrow your phraseology), you would’ve not appealed to a research institution (see Research on Armenian Architecture, which I have never heard of, for example), and would’ve figured out where you had to appeal and how. 4. As far as my distortions are concerned, if you where indeed a Cat, and the distortion was water, you would’ve died of thirst before receiving that water from me. 5. About me "not mobilizing anyone, and rather not doing anything." I understand you so well. Sure you would find better if I start venting over the Internet and spewing venom about who might be making moeny out of the allegedly existing problem, rather than doing something about it, right? I will reply to Thorny, when I can commit time to reading here last posting carefully. [ November 08, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

quote:Originally posted by khodja: TB, MJ et.al., I find your fascination with Ara to be very revealing. If he is the buffoon you claim he is, why do you continually return to discussing him like an insect to a flame? "Hovhanness," You are truly incurable. I would like to help you as a fellow forum member. Know Dr. Kevorkian?

quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark: ...signal-to-noise ratio... TB, I like the sound of this expression. It makes me more optimistic for the future of this forum.

OK< Ali. I have been distracted from work all day today, so may add one more comment: the entire Nagorno Karabagh process has started as a Constitutional process, and according to the International Law. Unfortunately, at some point, it has escalated to a military antagonism. But it was not the decision of Armenians of Nagorno Karabagh nor Armenia. It was forced to us by Azerbaijan, or one may go a couple of layers down, and find other parties who needed to escalate the process. After a war was imposed on us, we had only one alternative - to win.

quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose: Winston, is a/b racist/generalizing, too? Noooo.... He is just a shock therapist. Only somewhere on the way he has dropped the therapy, and all that is left is the shock. "Shock without therapy, it is!"

quote:Originally posted by MosJan: To MJjan and Juggernautjan lets end this, it's not duing any good for us... Movses My pleasure, MosJan. After all, turns out all he is trying to say is "Let it be light!"

Thank you, Thoth. You are very generous.

quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose: And just what is Steve's improper conduct supposed to be if it is competing with Jerky-vore's racist crap? I think that your trying to compare the two is a gross exaggeration - though "exaggeration" is not the right word. For there to be an exaggeration, there has to be at least a stump - and there's not! They aren't people that can be categorized together in any way, save for being humans. I haven't constituted it as a matter of relative magnitude, but rather absolute. And there is a stump, I think, somewhere in the Hye Forum.

quote:Originally posted by Kazza: It's Ok MJ I'm around tommorrow. The "communication Bridge" doesn't seem to be there, I'm willing to build MY bridges. You keep building those bridges, Kazza. When you are done, let me know, and I gladly would cross over.

Common, Thoth, Open the Gates of Sesame. P.S. Talking about humor, I wouldv'e appreciated a little smile in your previous posting.

quote:Originally posted by Kazza: MJ, I like your posts and your contributions very much, which is WHY I was surprised by what you said earier, and also surprsed by your reaction to my latest post, which I found to be rather closed But I think it's very sad, as a moderator, that you don't seem to understand what ALL the members have to contribute and say. I think that's not in the best interests. Kazza, I guess the two of us think in two different plattitudes without a communication bridge. Otherwise I don't know how to explain our constant miscommunication.

Thorny, Nothing directly. Just the imporper conduct is imporper no matter how it is packaged.

quote:Originally posted by Kazza: Plus you were banned or on the brink of being banned, If you said anything against another memebrs wishes. Anyway, that's not my probelm, I shoudln't have even mentioned it, it's not important. MJ, in my earlier post , I wasn't nesscesarliy barking at you, I just wanted to show you what I said and see it from my point of veiw. Kazza, Everything you said before was your opinion to which obviously you are entitled. But the last post of yours is a misleading statement, simply put. People have been banned or have been at the brink of being banned in this forum for their conduct, not becasue of "saying things against other members' wishes."

quote:Originally posted by THOTH: I am ignorant of many of the specifics of these divisions (and how some of them play out in these forums among Armenians). This is one reason I am often hesitant to jump into Armenian forums (my ignorance of the internal politics etc)... Pew... And I though you where the God of Knowledge, or at least a God of Knowledge...

quote:Originally posted by Kazza: I don't know, nor have I found anyone in my travels that does. Or Mabye MJ? Perhaps you could scatter a few peals of wisdom. What is it, Kazza? Couldn't follow you.

Thorny, First, I am not obsessed with "Hovhanness," but rather the opposite. I can deduce who are you referring to in your comment above. I can also understand that he is the person who has provoked such attitude towards him. I am not happy about his stance. I don't know what is he trying to achieve or what is he trying to neutralize. I don't even know what he thinks he is being able to achieve. But the fact of the matter is that I know him personally, and I know him as a person. I know that he is a well educated, very informed and very reasonable person - a friend that one may enjoy to have. That's why I find myself in a very contradictory situation. It is always easier to "fight" a person who you don't know otherwise. I think the face that he has decided to put in this forum is totally irrational and unjustified. Perhaps he hates Turks. OK. Nothing new about it in the Armenian domain, right? Perhaps he has reasons to do so. If so, there is nothing I can do to change it. Maybe you can? Is your question why is he not banned from this forum? Perhaps for the same reason The Cat is not.

quote:Originally posted by khodja: Thorny, Gamavor revealed this in one of her earlier postings. Thorny, With the same token, I think "Hovanness" has revealed in one of his earlier postings that he is an embrion, but just a very advanced one.

quote:Originally posted by THOTH: MJ/Khodja - I must admit that I do not fully follow all of your differences (though do understand some certainly) and I am ignorant of many of the specifics of divisions (political & geographic) among Armenians (other than knowing that they do exist - not always why or what for in particular)...however - from both your responses to my tidbit about some of my best friends being Republican it is clear to me that you each miss (some of my) points as well. Could it be just my fault - me being too obtuse? Perhaps...BTW - the point you seem to miss is...humour...(no big deal? hm, is it?) No, Thoth. I think I have understood you correctly. It is likely that I have been misunderstood. All I was trying to convey to you was that your emphasis on "partisan affiliation" and "cross-party" friendship was misplaced and irrelevant. As to the humor... What else may be a better source of humor if not "Haovhannes."

quote:Originally posted by aurguplu: i forgot to add that in the cse of nagorno-karabagh, i do not blame the armenians for their armed resistance against the azeris. it is the oe million internally displaced azeris who are almost all from the regions neighbouring karabagh, not in it, that we have a problem with. i am pleasantly surprised that an armenian of all people found a parallel between karabagh and cyprus. yes, you are in very much the same position as we were in cyprus, and you have about as much chance getting the annexation or independence of karabagh recognised as we have with our turkish republic of northern cyprus. Dear Ali, The Armenian side is not interested in keeping the Azeris of the surrounding zones of Karabagh in railroad carriages and tents. It has not been the purpose of the Armenian military operations. And the Armenian side has confirmed many times to resolve the issue. There have even been discussions of allowing it to happen in several stages. However, the Azerbaijani political forces have strongly opposed to it. They give not a dimes' worth to the sufferings of their people. What they count on is that Armenia will be chocked economically by Turkey, and eventually will give up everything. Such a political adventurism, and what a miscalculation... However, while there are similarities between the Turkish intervention in Cyprus and the Armenian intervention in Karabagh, there are also significant differences. Unfortunately, today I cannot go into it due to my time limitations, but hope to do it in the next few days. As far as the annexation of Karabagh to Armenia is concerned, outside some irrelevant circles, there is no such issue. Karabagh has declared independence and Armenia supports it. Obviously, we have not had much success with the de-jure recognition of that independence of Karabagh, as much as it is a de-facto independent state. What are our chances of de-jure recognition? Hard to tell. Obviously it is an uphill battle. But with the same token, the insinuation that Karabagh may become part of Azerbaijan again is an illusion, too. It is a very complex issue. No doubt about it.

quote:Originally posted by aurguplu: well, if a country is engaged in armed action or is supporting armed action inside another country with a view to putting an end to its territorial integrity, that would mean "aggression" to me. So, Ali, you are proposing Armenia to let another country to slaughter its Armenian minority? IS that what Turkey did in Cyprus? Also, are you familiar with International Law, in particular with the clause of Nations' Right for Self-Determination? [ November 08, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

quote:Originally posted by Juggernaut: I think the right word is allegorical not 'allegoriuc'. And btw, does 'MJ' stand for Mr Jejune? Wow! You really have learned to spell, haven't you? I commend your progress. Now I am more hopeful for your future.

You guys keep dragging me in on a day when I should not spend time in the Internet domain. Just wanted to say that putting Ara's name in "." was a typo. I have been playing that game lately so often that just happened by a mistake. Anyway, I will try to catch up with all of the posts addressed to me as soon as I can.

quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark: Dear MJ, The moniker TB is fine. I had considered shortening it before, but it sounded like the short for tuberculosis, so I refrained from doing that. How about TWB, then?

quote:Originally posted by Juggernaut: So I hope you wouldnt mind explaining where in my post did I 'violate your personal space'. Don't feel so flattered, brother. Your name/characterization has been used in an allegoriuc sence.

quote:Originally posted by Juggernaut: If I had the capabilities and time, then I surelly would make an anti-American site. Sure. If you cannot make "pro-something" site, and still want to claim "recognition," all you are left with is to make an "anti-somethin-else" site.