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A TOAST "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day!" THREE PINTS An Irishman walks into a bar in Dublin, orders three pints of Guinness and sits in the back of the room, drinking a sip out of each one in turn. When he finishes them, he comes back to the bar and orders three more. The bartender asks him, "You know, a pint goes flat after I draw it; it would taste better if you bought one at a time." The Irishman replies, "Well, you see, I have two brothers. One is in America, the other in Australia, and I'm here in Dublin. When we all left home, we promised that we'd drink this way to remember the days when we drank together." The bartender admits that this is a nice custom, and leaves it there. The Irishman becomes a regular in the bar, and always drinks the same way: He orders three pints and drinks them in turn. One day, he comes in and orders two pints. All the other regulars notice and fall silent. When he comes back to the bar for the second round, the bartender says, "I don't want to intrude on your grief, but I wanted to offer my condolences on your great loss." The Irishman looks confused for a moment, then a light dawns in his eye and he laughs. "Oh, no," he, says, "Everyone's fine. I'VE just quit drinking."

What's the hardest thing about eating a vegetable? Getting her back in the wheelchair! PUNISHMENT One day Mom was cleaning Junior's room and in the closet she found a Bondage S&M magazine. This was highly upsetting for her. She hid the magazine until his Father got home and showed it to him. He looked at it and handed it back to her with out a word. So she asked him, "What should we do about this?" Dad looked at her and said, "Well I don't think you should spank him."

A TOAST Here's to the women who love me terribly, May they soon improve. The Toughest Mouse There were three city mice sitting at a bar. The first mouse takes a shot of tequila, slams the glass on the table and says, "I'm the toughest mouse in this city. I'm so tough that I walk throughout the house collecting mouse poison, return to my nest and grind up the pellets with my morning coffee -- just for an extra jolt to start off each day." The mice look at each other. The second mouse slams his whiskey, throws his glass on the floor and says, "I'm the toughest mouse in this city. I'm so tough that I go up to the trap outside my nest, I trip the lever and make the trap flip in the air, I catch the bar on its way down, bench press it a few times, twirl it over and over with my feet -- then I toss it to the floor, and take the cheese for breakfast. It's all part of my morning routine." The third mouse looks at the other two. Bored with the conversation, he sets down his glass of beer and says, "I've had enough of you two. I'm going to go home and screw the cat."

quote:Originally posted by alpha: Officiall the Kars province passed to Turkey not by Kars treaty but by the Treaty of Alexandropol signed in December 2 of 1920 by Dashnak government. There is no legal ground to contest the treaty of Kars, which is simply a confirmation of the Treaty of Alexandropol. Alpha, I think your arguments are incorrect from historical and legal points of views. First, Alexandropole treaty never was ratified, and at the time of signing that treaty there was no governement in Armenia - the Dashak governement had resigned at the time of signing of the document. It is a peace of worthless document. From the historical point of view, the province of Kars had been surrendered to Turkey by in the result of the German demand at the Brest-Litovsk treaty signed between the Germans and the Bolshevik Russians. The Kars treaty basically has executed the agreements of Brest-Litovsk, as far as the geography is concerned. From the legal point of view, Kars treaty is the most dispeakable violation of the elementary norms of international law. It has no legal merits. With all this said, do I mean that the lack of legal merits of that document is a basis for acheaving any reuslts in reversing its outcome? Of coarse not - for the same reasons you have raised above. However, it is the single most important document defining the parameters of independence of Armenia, or better to say, stripping Armenia off of some important parameters of independence. It is a document way beyond territorial changes.

quote:Originally posted by Berj: MJ, Why were you wondering about lack of experience in ARF politics then? MJ, always consider that I'm an Armenian citizen who will deal with the possible war, clash etc. directly (which may involve my family). In the region we have 2 possible allies (Iran and Russia). Out of the region we have France, US, EU, Greece?, Syria?. Taking into account that THE HELP always comes very late (and my family), I think the realism is the thing we have been doing for very long time. Berj, I think we misunderstand each other.

quote:Originally posted by Berj: It's very dangerous situation. We have no allies in the region. But doesn't it mean we have been doing something wrong for very long time? The problem, I think, is not the region, but us - lack of realism.

I wonder if our Armenian politicians, especially those of ARF are going ever to learn anything? _____________________________________________ Russian Ambassador To Turkey Says Impossible To Revise Kars Treaty ISTANBULAccording to the Turkish Daily News, Russian Ambassador to Turkey Alexander Lebedev stated that the Kars Treaty, which was signed by Soviet Russia and Turkey in 1921 demarcating the border between the Soviet Union and Turkey, could not be challenged. "My personal opinion is that I do not think the Kars Treaty can be revised," said Lebedev in an exclusive interview to the Turkish Daily News. "Those border disputes were once more settled at Potsdam in the wake of World War II. Legally, the Kars Treaty can not be challenged. I never heard that the Armenian President Robert Kocharian has demanded Turkish territory." said Lebedev. Referring to the statement of the Armenian Parliament's Human Rights Commission, which demanded the cities of Kars and Ardahan to be returned to Armenia, Lebedev said, "They would be better to concentrate on resolving the Nagorno-Artsax dispute." Stressing that he could not comment on the internal affairs of Armenia, Lebedev said similar demands were raised by former Soviet leader Stalin after World War II and they were not satisfied. He added that despite the fact that the Kars Treaty was signed between Moscow and Ankara, Yerevan should discuss today's border problems directly with Ankara. "If I were Armenian, I would not raise those issues at all, it does not help at all," said Lebedev. Commenting on the Armenian Genocide bill in the Russian Parliament Duma, Lebedev said there was no resolution but a statement from the Duma and it had been forgotten since then. "There was an attempt recently, influenced by the French Parliament's decision and efforts in the U.S. Congress, by Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the notorious political figure. Our Foreign Minister immediately intervened and asked deputies not to proceed with the bill. The bill died away and hopefully will not come again," said Lebedev. Touching on the sticky issue of projects on energy routes from Central Asia to Turkey, Lebedev said all decisions should be taken on a commercial basis rather than with political considerations. Stressing that Russia is not against Baku-Ceyhan or any other project, Lebedev stressed that no party should politicize economic issues. Lebedev indicated that some Turkish authorities have characterized the relations between Turkey and Russia as an "advanced partnership" and added that they "fully agreed with that." He said, "A strategic partnership is possible in the future. We were rivals in the past but it is not the case anymore. We recognize the role of Turkey in the Caucasus. We should work on joint projects." Lebedev stressed that the Soviet Union was the first country to recognize the Turkish republic with the Friendship Agreement signed on March 15, 1921. He indicated that the prime ministers of Turkey and Russia have exchanged letters to commemorate this important date. Stressing that the two countries should develop their cooperation in every possible field, Lebedev said they were ready to provide Turkey weapons with high technology. He stressed that they were not like Americans and would not hesitate to provide high technology to Turkey. "We are not like Americans. They give you the license and some spare parts but never the real high technology. We trust modern Turkey," said the Russian Ambassador. Asked if he meant that the United States did not trust Turkey enough to provide it with high technology, Lebedev declined to comment further.

quote:Originally posted by dragon: [b For your information, there is no Dragon left... [/b] I was aware that there was no Dragon left. However, the number of Lizards, calling themselves Dragon, is immense. And among them there are some, which use a magnifying mirror to visualize their own image.

If they cannot be baptized, they will be put in a cage.

"No matter how hard you try, you can't baptize Dragons."

Btac, I guess my answer is that someone in real love with the Lord cannot demonstrate a bad behavior. The behavior is a mere expression of what is in someone’s heart. Saying “I love the Lord” doesn’t mean Loving Him. I do agree with you that the “tree is judged about by its fruit.” If you love God, you wouldn’t do anything which would heart Him. And any number of things that we may do may heart him. Even if we do it to ourselves. If we accept that we are God’s children, that should be understandable. Much like even if my children would do something that hearts, on the onset, only them, it would heart me. The summary of my reply to you is, I guess, that I am in agreement with you, and I agree that the behavior and the lifestyle of a person are the evidence of one’s love for the Lord.

That's real simple. Give us something more complex. Another one: how would you interpret the statement "One Corsican said all Corsicans ar liers?" Later, I will offer another such puzzle.

Levon, I for example, don't thing that the religion is needed. However, some people do consider it being a necessity, not necessarily tying it with the existence of deity. For them it is a system of morals. For these people, who are the majority, the issue of a deity is not essential. For others, the religion is irrelevant, and what is important is their "personal relationship" with deity. There is another category of people, too, which does accept that a deity may in principle exist, however these people don't claim having "personal relationship" with the deity, and are in search. There are perhaps several other categories of people, who one or another way give consideration to these issues.

NEW LANGUAGE -Submitted by PATRICIA L GOONETILLEKE The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5 year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English". In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the"k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen ve vil tak over ze world!

quote:Originally posted by Aghmug: Literally, it would be one who follows and tries to live by the teachings of Christ. Christ's message in the New Testament is "love." I would think in its simplest form, being a Christian just means living a life of love. Love for yourself, your family, friends, neighbors and most of all strangers. Love for the Lord is supposed to come first, however, and then, you have to be able to love your enemy - not just the strangers. In fact, I think the real love for the Lord would suffice, since the rest of it would be automatic.

I haven't heard anything by them, but I am sure Sualmita is right.

quote:Originally posted by Ararat-73: By the way, don't we have any chat room on Hye Forum ? Actually, we have. Check the http://armenians.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimat...ic&f=1&t=000295 . Let Souren not worry about English, or Eastern vs. Western Armenian. Those of us who know any Armenian, with a little effort would understand both dialects. Besides, each time one of us may translate Souren's postings for the rest of the forum.

quote:Originally posted by Ararat-73: I forgot to tell you that I'll ask Suren Baghdassarian about Shavarsh Karapetian. Aharon, Invite him to join our forum, too. I am sure many of us, especially those who remember his reportage, would enjoy having him on board.

Alpha, I just wanted to coment that the atribution of Armenian Church to the monophysitic family of churches is resulted from a centuries old misinterpretation. In reality, the Armenian Church has never been monophysitic. It is just many of our Holly Fathers, from some century on, have not been able to articulate or even understand what is the real position of Armenian Church on the issue of Holly Tinity. The opinion of our Church's monophysitism is resulted I think from the fact that the primary function of our Holly Fathers has been "baptism," wedding, burrial, etc, and tax colection, and nobody has stood up to present properly the theological foundations of the Church.

Today's Joke Q: How do you know that Calista Flockhart doesn't exist? A: Because the camera adds 10 pounds! GLASS OF WATER One night a father sent his kid to bed. Five minutes later he screamed, "Dad!! Can you get me a glass of water?" "No, you had your chance." Five minutes later he screamed, "Dad!! Can you get me a glass of water?" "No. You had your chance. Next time you ask I'll come up there and spank you." "Dad!! When you come up to spank me can you bring me a glass or water?" ADAM'S RIB Adam was walking around the Garden of Eden feeling very lonely, so God asked Adam, "What is wrong with you?" Adam said he didn't have anyone to talk to. God said he was going to give him a companion and it would be a woman. God said, "This person will cook for you and wash your clothes, she will always agree with every decision you make. She will bear your children and never ask you to get up in the middle of the night to take care of them. She will not nag you, and will always be the first to admit she was wrong when you've had a disagreement. She will never have a headache, and will freely give "love" and compassion whenever needed." Adam asked God, "What will this woman cost?" God said, "An arm and a leg." Adam said, "What can I get for just a rib?" The rest is history... Teen-Jokes.com

DatingFaces.com Presents: WEEKEND FUNNIES submitted by Joke-of-the-Day Members STEEPLE CHASTE One morning a man came into the church on crutches. He stopped in front of the holy water, put some on both legs, and then threw away his crutches. An alter boy witnessed the scene and then ran into the rectory to tell the priest what he'd just seen. "Son, you've just witnessed a miracle," the priest said. "Tell me where is this man now?" "Flat on his ass over by the holy water," said the boy. THIS IS A STUPID JOKE A little girl had just finished her first week of school. "I'm just wasting my time," she said to her mother. "I can't read, I can't write - and they won't let me talk!" BIRD IN A KILTED CAGE The American tourist stood staring at the highland sentry standing guard outside Edinburgh Castle. After a few minutes she went up to the sentry and asked 'I've always wanted to find out what's worn under the kilt'. The sentry replied: 'There is nothing worn, Ma'am, its all in perfect working order'.

quote:Originally posted by alpha: MJ in your post you said: Just wanted to point out that we are not as divided as we think. Although I don't agree on issues we unite for. I think you and me agree on what we, by in large unite around, which we both think is unhealthy. However an element of tribalism and perhaps clannishness is present in the foundations of what divides Western Armenians from Eastern, Gorisetsi from Gyumretsi, etc. Do you deny that it exists? I do hope that we will unite in the near future around the common dreams and aspirations for Armenia. Otherwise I don't see anything healthy that can bring us together. Besides, the unification itself is not a goal. If the axis of unification is the Communism, for example, we would rather disunite - I am just giving an extreme example. But you know what I mean.

Ara, your energy and productivity are amazing. Keep up at it, please! Your thoughts are very provoking.

I just think that people don't change from the age of 14. They just grow, become more mature, more experienced and more sophisticated about their ways. But the seeds of shaping character are planted in them from the childhood.

quote:Originally posted by LISA: