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quote:Originally posted by ARTURian: yes... That's what I was thinking so thanks for being honest You actually seem to have a stranger schedule than I do. I was looking at the different times you have been posting but I just couldn't figure out a pattern! Are you just there temporarily? Because from a lot of your posts it sounded like you are sitting in the middle of Yerevan. [ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by PandukhT: i just gat hold of a new gave 7 days a go it's the new Return to Castle Wolfenstein game good staf but way to short - i have finishd it last night he he Are you sure you're ok? Looks like the game may have had some interesting side effects

quote:Originally posted by koko: I protest!!!! America and the policis of the USA has destroyed many countries and till this day the UNIDTED STATES OF AMERICA doesnt give a DAMN about any other country... I agree with the first part but disagree with the second. Of course at the end of the day US is out there to protects its own interests above all else. However, the US does care whether India and Pakistan start blowing each other into the sky with nuclear bombs. The US does care when the Serbs started a genocide on the muslim Boznians. Although it acted too late IMO, it did bomb Belgrade and it was the main force responsible for ending that "war". Have you heard of Israel? If there was no US, there would be no Israel!!! Once again, I am not saying that US is like an Angel looking to lend a helping hand to anyone. Actually far from it. It's just that it has its allies and it has its enemies. Regarding the Taliban, at some point we had a common enemy which was the USSR. Of course the US helped the Afghans back then. But what do you expect to do when a few years later they come and blow up the heart and center of your home killing nearly 5000 civilians? Should we go and help the Taliban some more?

quote:Originally posted by ARTURian: ... nobody gives, they simply lend... learn economics! YOU ARE WRONG. I personally sent money out of my pocket to RED CROSS for the horrible earthquake in India. I know thousands of other people did (a few perosnally). That is a GIFT not a LOAN. I am not rich ... just a poor graduate student but I sent the money because I know I am much better off then those people. I am Armenian but I am also American. I am NOT saying everything US does is pure and clean ... BUT I am 100% sure that with all the bad stuff that is going on, there is also good things that happen. quote:Originally posted by ARTURian: ... About fish and chess... cmon man ... )) that IS REALLY sick : )) no chess and fish? And that's probably more sick than living in the society with transexuals and zoofilies neighbors and kids who have sexual relations at the age of 13. You MISSED the point entirely. But for your info, yes, I rather live in a society that accepts a person's choice to be transexual if that means I get to have my FISH and CHESS. Is it that hard for you to believe this? Once again, I (may be the only one) respect what you think. I also know many many many people think the same way as you. Also, let's all keep in mind that this is intellectual debate and NOT personal attack. Even if you (Arthur) have opinions that are very ridiculous in my mind, I live in a place and by rules that say it is OK for you to be like that! That's the beauty of where and how I live

quote:Originally posted by ARTURian: ...But the fact is the fact and it will be the fact, that american society is the most sickest, starting from kids shooting their teachers at the age of 8 and ending childrappers who pay to get what they want. But that not the point... the point is how Armenians defend this mentality.... Oh, I guess as opposed to the really religeous societies where they force women to wear stuff head to toe even in the heat of summer and don't allow them to even come out of the house ... if they do, they simply get killed. Yah, that's very healthy and nice We DID live in Iran before the US. My mom DID have to wear those stupid things ... we didn't have any music when I was growing up. Even CHESS (one of my favorite GAMES) was outlawed for about a decade. One of our female relatives did get whipped 70 times (lashes) for even having an alcoholic beverage in her possession. My mom, an eye doctor/surgeon, was prohibited from treating male patients We couldn't even eat certain types of FISH because it was illegal by ISLAMIC rules. Do you want to talk about SICK? I love it here. It has it's problems for sure but I would not think of being anywhere else. I was born in London, raised in Iran, lived in Germany for a few years and have very close friends from all over the world (Serbia, Greece, China, Japan, etc etc etc) ... I wouldn't want to live anywhere else right now. [ January 26, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by PandukhT: GAro jan ches HAmuzi varyant chi yes et anem astavts gity te inch kerni PC glxin Zgushutyun lav ban e Completely agree Who knows what those numbers do (<--- any reason this smiley is called "agree"? That's not what it looks like ) By the way, I also enjoy all the info. I don't know much about Javascript and all the internet tricks that go on! [ January 25, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by Sip: ...Simple things such as cookies that you may have heard about all the way to actuall programs that run on your computer (without your knowledge) that track your every move... Sorry for the confusion. I was trying to say that there are a wide range of things that start from simply cookie type "text" files and get more sophisticated up to a point of actual programs that run. By the way, Azat, I somehow had a feeling that the cookie can only be read by the creating domain but wasn't sure. Thanks for that clarification! quote:Originally posted by Garo: I don't agree with some 'there's no way to do ...'s. I totally agree! If I ever said something "can't be done" I was mistaken Usually I use those types of words to indicate something is very unlikely to happen. Either because it is very hard, required a lot of expertise, or just not worth it. And also, there are so many "valuable" things to go and hack that no one would probably think about you Harout (no offense bud!). So Garo has a very good point that ANYTHING is possible but most of those anythings are highly unlikely to happen to a given person.

Harut jan (you are going to love this): I just thought of something you may find very interesting ... http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/zr2/1blue1.gif Do you see this bouncing happy face? It resides on my UCLA machine. Since you see it, it means you accessed that machine and your IP was logged. I will try to find your IP address and will PM it to you! (assuming not too many people check this page). So having moderator abilities is not too much of an advantage although they can delete or modify this post anytime they want http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/zr2/roflmao.gif

quote:Originally posted by Harut: ...so, servers (for instace, my internet provider) can see all the times what sites i'm connnected to? Yes. Your service provider will see everything that you do. The way the internet is designed is that "trust" is assumed to exist among all machines that are used to connect you to your destination (that's why tracert is helpful). It is unreasonable to expect any level of security above that. Have you seen recent tv commercials (here in LA anyway) that show this lady sitting in a bar and she gives her number to some guy that she likes? The guy then immediately gives the number to the bar tender and some of his friends !!! She gets completely shocked They are making fun of some ISPs (internet service providers) and how they can give your personal info (like surfing habits) to anyone. There is also this other commercial where a guy is walking down the street and just random people start telling him ... "oh I heard you want to buy a house ...", "... oh that car you are looking at is too expensive " , etc etc and he gets really shocked and scared! To some extent this is true but of course they blow it out of proportion. quote:Originally posted by Harut: why is that moderators can see my IP address? It is a feature of this board (software).The administrator can also block certain IP addresses if they want. This way, annoying people can be kept away quote:Originally posted by Harut: let's say if i visit your site, you could see that too? or you need some forum-like database on your site? Yes I can see it! Anytime anyone accesses a website, that access is usually logged. My personal website happens to be on Earthlink's servers (my service provider) so I don't see those logs. However, I have a machine at UCLA that also acts as a web server. I can put some images on my site from that machine, and anytime someone views my site they will load those images and my server will log that access (including IP address). This is a very normal thing and that's how the internet works. After all, if I (my server) didn't know your IP address, there would be no way to send the web page to you so you can view it! quote:Originally posted by Harut: i know a little about cookies. i just learnt them by myself...let's say the site has stored a cookies in my computer, and that file gather info about my actions. but then how the same site communicates with the cookie in my computer to see those gathered info? I am no expert on this! I just know some general stuff about these things since networking is not really my field. However, you tend to pick up on things as the years go by!!! As far as I know, the functionality is provided by your browser. So if your browser supports cookies, then when you go back to the site, the site can request the cookie info from your browser which will in turn send that info out. There is almost always an option to disable cookies (like in netscape or internet explorer) but then you wont get the full functionality in most websites. Glad to see you are taking such an interest in the topic! It is really the only way to learn this stuff since in my experience they won't teach you much in classes (just some basics). The rest is up to you to go and try and learn. The amazing thing is that there is such a wealth of info on the web that it is unbelievable! But once again, I don't consider myself too much of an "expert" in the field especially when hacking, cracking, and internet technologies are concerned. I just happen to have some general knowledge (in computer science) which I'll be happy to share

quote:Originally posted by PandukhT: ...One of our members have contact me some time a go and complained that her computer is not functioning any more, since she has join the forum... It is a coincidence. It is highly unlikely that her joining the forum had anything to do with her PC problems. It is also very unlikely that someone from outside (or from this board) messed with her PC especially if she has a modem connection. As you said, no one sees the IP addresses other than the moderators and even if you have the IP address you can't really do anything... plus the other main question would be why!!!? She may have gotten a virus but the source of that is definitley NOT from this type of a discussion board! (email now-a-days is probably the most common source for viruses). There could also be a zillion other reasons the computer died ... Oh, and I am not really sure what you meant by "her capturers" [ January 24, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by Harut: ... and there rises another question. can "THEY" get into my computer knowing all this info? Ok now getting into a computer is a whole different story i.e. spying vs hacking. They can spy on you all they want but they may not be able to get into your computer and in your files if your system is secure enough (unless they discover your passwords by spying). At UCLA, we have people break into our computers all the time. There are just way too many hackers or hacker wanna-be's out there and many many ways they can get it. Actually, sometimes it is pretty funny because I'd be sitting there and wathching these idiots try every single thing .. the kind of stuff they try is very funny at times. Fortunately, most of them are either pretty stupid or just punk kids that don't really know what they are doing. The problems are the very small percentage that are very very good All you can do is to secure your PC with the latest available "security patches" and hope for the best. In your case, the best you can do is to keep your windows (assuming you have windows) updated with the "Windows Update" feature and also be aware of some simple security issues ... like don't make your drives publicly available (shared). If you have a modem connection you don't have much to worry since your IP address most likely changes everytime you connect. This way a hacker can't constantly try to get in. But if you have DSL, cable modem, or some other type of high-speed internet, then you have to watch out since your computer is pretty much connected all the time with the same IP address (usually) which gives plenty of opportunities to hackers to try to get in. I at home don't really care since I don't have any important files that they can get a hold of. I also backup files very often so even if they destroy things I won't loose anything But I do have some security things in place that will make things pretty hard for a hacker wanna-be (it involves linux and firewalling). quote:Originally posted by Harut: ...i'll be back with more questions. Keep-em coming! I don't mind.

quote:Originally posted by Harut: this was very interesting really. i started having fun with it. Glad to hear it! quote:Originally posted by Harut: but what i meant was not to trace the route. i meant was this: are there "THEY" who can see what site i'm connected to? or what sites i have visited before? or constantly check if i'm online? (angain who are "THEY" here?) I just gave those as examples to get you started. It is sometimes difficult to explain things if you don't know the other person's level of knowledge and skills So what I was trying to say is that "they" can be anyone on the net. Anyone with the right know-how and skills can start spying on you. But don't worry! It is not very easy and often it is impossible Now it would be difficult for me to track you since I have no way of knowing your IP address. However, moderators of this board do have that ability (to see the ip address of a poster) so they can track to see what computer you are posting from (or at least who is the service provider) and whether or not you are really where you claim to be (such as in LA or Armenia). Other than that, they can't do much else other than try to break into your computer (explained below). About what sites you have visited and tracking, you'll be amazed to know that most of the information is stored in YOUR computer! Simple things such as cookies that you may have heard about all the way to actuall programs that run on your computer (without your knowledge) that track your every move! Cookies are small files that a website can store on your computer regarding what you did (like yahoo can store your username and recognize you next time you go there to check email). Most cookies are used for legitimate purposes but they can also be used to track people. A very cool program that can help you find such "spy-ware" is ad-aware. It is free and you can download it from HERE. Once started, it will go through all the files on your computer and identify all the "spy-ware" type stuff that people are using to track your actions on the web. Then you have the choice of removing those

quote:Originally posted by Azat: Do you remember the casset tape that was used as the "hard disk" on the C64? Hell yah! Those things were cool ... and sometimes I would mix up my audio tapes and data tapes and whooooo haaaa I'd get those deafening noises coming out of my stereo! I think I still have one in my closet somewhere. I have been playing around with C64 emulators on PC. They are really good. I also used to have a ton of their games on my PC (images of C64 disks that you can run directly in the emulator). I don't know if you know what I am talking about so let me know and I could provide some links ... actually I connected my 1541 disk drive to the PC once (using the parallel port and some special software) and I copied some of my files and old programs that I really wanted to keep. It is amazing how slow those drives are and they seemed so cool back then. I also have all atari 2600 games on my PC and sometimes it is nice to go back and play them just for fun! It is pretty funny that about 500 Atari games (cartridge ROM images of most of the games ever made) take less than 5MB all together!!!! I even got this 2600 emulator that works on my IPAQ PDA!!! I couldn't believe it... you can play ALL atari games ever made for the 2600 anywhere on a freakin PDA [ January 23, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]

Thank you for that compliment I think in commodore 64, assuming you have a 1541 Disk Drive, you have to have the nslookup program on a disk. Then you type: LOAD "$",8 You'll see: SEARCHING FOR $ LOADING READY. Then type: LIST if you see nslookup on the list, then you can type: LOAD "NSLOOKUP",8,1 RUN and then follow the on-screen instructions (man, those were the good old days ... now I am running out of hard disk space even though I had about 30GIG to begin with !!!!!!!!!) Now hooking up a C64 to the internet is a whole different story!!! I don't know the commands for the 2600

By the way, I know everyone says that 50% of marriages end in divorce but do you realize the other 50% end in DEATH? The other thing is that I really hope Arthurian is a real person out there because I don't think it's too funny if it is someone else that is just trying to start arguments (I've seen it happen before) So let me see Arthur jan. So far, if I understood correctly, is that: 1) Man should have final word in family (but you don't want to call that being superior). 2) Taliban and their ideals is OK and should be left alone. 3) Bible is perfect. 4) High divorce rates are direct result of women having equal say in the family structure. 5) Abortion is murder. 6) All women who have abortions should be imprisoned for about 20 years 7) "modern" girls typically have abortions to "escape" punishments from parents. Oh man ... I don't know where to begin anymore! We are soooo different in our thinkings that I feel there's no hope to reach any agreement on anything! By the way, I strongly disagree with every one of the points listed up there. I also know a lot of people think just like you but if you are a real person somewhere and not just someone pretending for argument's sake then I commend you for at least talking about it in a civilized manner

No problemo You can be one of "them" if you want! If you have windows 2000, NT, or 98 (may work in 95 as well) go to the command prompt and type: tracert www.ucla.edu To get to command prompt you can also choose RUN from start menu and type "cmd" (win 2K) or "command" (win 95/98). The tracert command will list all the machines (routers) that are used to connect you to the destination you specify. Basically, it prints the "route" that packets take to get from you to where ever you are talking to. If you type: tracert -d www.ucla.edu it will print the route by IP numbers (it won't translate them to names using DNS). It is actually pretty funny since sometimes I can see that when I send things from Home (in LA) to UCLA, the packets go all the way to San Francisco and get routed back to UCLA!!! Also, if one day you are unable to connect to something, you can use tracert to see where the connection dies (stops). The other command you can play with is nslookup (Win 2000). In the command prompt, you can type: nslookup www.ucla.edu and it should return something like 169.232.33.130. If you type: nslookup 169.232.33.130 it should return ucla.edu! This is the DNS stuff I was talking about before. So you can find out what the IP address is for a name and what name is associated with an IP address. If you don't have nslookup, just go to THIS LINK and they let you do the same thing online! If you want to have nslookup you can download it from HERE. So tracing IPs and looing up IPs/names are fairly easy to do and ANYONE connected to the internet can do it If you have access to UNIX and/or LINUX, the same things (and more) can be accomplished there. The commands are a little bit different so let me know what Operating System you are using on your computer.

IP (Internet Protocol) address is what identifies any device connected in a network like the Internet which is based on TCP/IP. Anything sent over the Internet is transmitted as "packets". Packets have destination IP addresses and the Internet infrastructure takes care of delivering them to the right place based on this address. An IP address looks like 4 groups of numbers like 192.168.248.1 ... it would be very hard to try to connect to different places using just their IP address so the founding fathers came up with this thing called DNS (Domain Name Service). DNS is a service that translates names to IP addresses. For example, if you type www.ucla.edu, DNS goes and looks up in the database and returns 169.232.33.130 (corresponding to ucla.edu). So if you type http://169.232.33.130 in your browser, you will end up at the UCLA website. There is a lot more about TCP/IP so ask if you want to know more {EDIT} Actually, THIS LINK may provide some more detailed info on the topic. Anyone connected directly to the internet will need to have a unique IP address. However, inside local networks (like in an office) people don't have to have addresses that are unique in the whole Internet. The servers (firewalls, gateways, etc) that connect local area networks to the Internet will handle the proper forwarding of packets in this situation. [ January 22, 2002: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by nellie: ... Personally speaking, i'm a biochem major, i've had so many bio classes, covered so many different issues regarding sex and the reproductive system, u can't possibly tald about sex and offend me ... Boy did I choose the WRONG major All they teach us are 0s and 1s ... and then once you learn those really well, they just give you some more 0s and 1s to play with http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/zr2/roflmao.gif . Just to help Arthur a bit here, none of us has 'proven' anything. We all have our opinions. The only thing that is completely clear to me is that Arthur's view of the family structure puts the woman in a lower position than the man. I tottaly understand about respect, etc, etc, but Arthur, what it comes down to, is that in ALL your posts you keep saying that the male has the final word. My question is why the male? Is it because of the usual "it has been written so it shall be done?"

By the way, maybe we should move to a different thread for the bible discussion... I have a feeling that could take a while

quote:Originally posted by ARTURian: ...Visited your website... check out Sip type of jokes: Relatives {CUT}...I am my own grandpa! Did you write it yourself? )) No I didn't! I am not that talented The day I was putting that page of my site together (which is still far from done), someone had forwarded that to me and I found it very funny. And NO, I WILL NEVER BE MY OWN GRANDPA no matter how much I talk about changing with times!!!! http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/zr2/bigs.gif Just to be clear on things: The society in the US for example is very far from perfect. The issues that you mentioned, like lack of respect for elders/parents and on the other side lack of respect for childeren from parents is a BIG problem. So I am not saying that we should abandon the Armenian way of life! I am saying that we should pick the bests of both worlds. What am I saying here specifically? I am talking about women having equal say and equal rights. Now you seem to think that that will lead to the chaos that the western societies are facing ... it is a valid point that many seem to agree with (but maybe not on this board though ). But the way I see things is that most of the problems in society spring from selfishness and a lack of understanding of the big picture. Most of the problems here in the US are caused by "I want, I want, I want, and me, me, me, me, me ..." and not because women are considered more of equals to men than before. Hope I was clear in my rambling above !!!

quote:Originally posted by ARTURian: Sip, big surprise ? : )) What kind of big surprise? )) You're funny. )) About Bible, i think it is the only perfect book to know and learn how to live. Have obejections? I regretted writing "bible" the second I hit reply! Somehow people get very defensive when that is mentioned. I appologize ... I don't think it is a perfect book but if you want, we can start that argument (so no objections for now ). As far as the big surprise, my point is that you can't just take life styles, the morals, and traditions from the past and apply them directly to today. It just won't work. You have to draw and learn from them but change them to meet todays world ... from what I understand in what you are saying is that you want EVERYTHING to remain the same as 100 years ago. Well, I am convinced that the world doesn't work like that. You may be able to find a small conservative cult that will live like that but the majority will go on, adapt, and change.

quote:Originally posted by ARTURian: ...I have old Armenian atitudes and traditions that i follow. Exactly as my father and grandfather passed to me.... Arthur, just the fact that we are having this conversation "online" means that you are not living in exactly the same world as your father and grandfather did. So there is no way their traditions and ways of living can apply to you directly and exactly. There must have been some changes and there will be some changes. There is nothing you can do to stop it eventhough I can see you are very terrified of change. If you think you can just blindly live by what your father (or his father, or his father) has passed down without putting "thought" into your life then I think you are in for a big surprise. Many have tried writing recepies for how you should live (such as Bible, Koran etc etc) but we all know (I hope) that none has been perfect. Why? Because of the fact that things change ... people change, technology advances, and life goes on.

quote:Originally posted by MosJan: you can find some info at thsi like. http://www.azerigenocide.com/ ... Or just follow the link that Domino posted above (has the same dumb-ass story ) I can see why these people are so pi$$ed !!! Armenia got the money and they didn't ... boo hoo hoo Is anyone really going to listed to their bitchin? Especially about the [sarcasm]poor, innocent[/sarcasm] turks after the stuff they are doing NOW to the kurds and the fights going on with the greeks?

That reminded me of a cool thing a friend of mine used to say: "I am not young enough to know everything and not old enough to be completely retarded."

quote:Originally posted by ARTURian: ...Thoth, i will start ignoring your posts. Your major issue is sexual fantacies and satisfaction. It is even sick to discuss things like that. Get a prostitute then if you want to have to the full! Surelly they are the best in that "business". I am not going to discuss this sick topic with all respect to all the girls here. ... I mainly deal with 1's and 0's (computers) so I don't claim to have any "answers" by any means. But, there have been (and are) much smarter people than me that I would definitly listen to. I think Freud would probably disagree with what you are saying there ... I am not trying to defend Freud nor do I think he is the GOD of all knowledge but I am humble enough to admit that maybe there is something to what he is saying. I don't think someone (such as Freud) can so often be classified as being in the same category as Einstein and be a complete idiot!!! Sexuality and sexual thoughts are a BIG part of human nature and you can't just dismiss them as being irrelevant... as much as the puritans and the really conservative crowds would have you believe otherwise.