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I have read most of this thread and I don't think anyone here has been against gays getting together and living like married couples. And to reiterate, "marriage" recognized by our state is not a fundamental human right. If we can't agree on this, making one's post longer and longer will make no difference.

Maybe I should've tried reading that instead of studying at school.

As opposed to the individual?

I think nothing is pre-written in life other than the fact that you will age and die at some point (if not sooner ). The rest, no one can tell you what is best for you. Only you get to decide that. Some people can't fathom the thought of going through life without others ... some people can't stand the sight of other people. Most are somewhere in between when they need their own space and companionship at different times. One thing's for sure though ... sometimes those closest around you may know you and your needs the least!!!!

Again a perfect example of Domino's accurate observation that with you, it's either a 1 or a 0 ... either one extreme or the other. Why must there be "anti government" and "pro government" bias? Why can't there be a middle (which is almost always the answer anyway!!!!)?

I'm not sure I agree. As far as I can see, nature has intended man and woman to make babies. The "family" is a social unit and I don't think it's existence is driven purely due to natural facts.

Anon, do you clean your room? Do you flush the toilet after taking a dump? Why do you do it? I hope you don't take a dump in the living room. On the same token, I hope you see the parallel between my rediculous example above and how we should think in the larger picture about our bigger home (earth). What's wrong with controlling how people live if it means I don't have to walk around stepping on crap all day?

I hate to say I told you so

You should always try to talk a speeding ticket down to a seat belt ticket. I doesn't count as a moving violation so it won't add as a point to the driving record like a speeding ticket, stop sign ticket, or red-light ticket would.

They are all empty ketchup bottles miss smarty pants But good point.

All I know is that the air in Los Angeles has improved tremendously in the last decade. When we came here in the early 90's you could see and even chew the air some mornings with many "high smog" alerts ... now, the air seems a lot cleaner and I rarely hear of a "high smog" alert ... So what happened? Don't tell me strict car emission and other environmental controls didn't have anything to do with this ... Why does it have to be one extreme or the other? I.e. why is it either enviornmentalist waco or a George Carlin? I am myself pretty far from those tree hugging hippies screaming how cow farts and SUVs are destroying the Ozone layer but on the other hand, I strongly believe in recycling and not haphazardly polluting. As an example, I produce about 10x more recycleable trash at my home in Wisconsin than regular trash and whenever I change my car oil I'll take every drop of the old oil to the proper place that collects it as opposed to dumping it in the trash. That's what I call "controlled" as opposed to eh, it's nature ...

Anoushik, we're not even sure Domino exists ... or maybe there are multiple fadixes in multiple vacuum bubbles ... but one thing is for sure ... I owe him a nice kick in the arse when I see him to make sure he exists!!!! And yes, he is young and very eligible

That's some good stuff

I totally disagree with Carlin up there. He is being very blind if he doesn't think man has the ability to totaly distroy this planet if not careful. And if he thinks man's actions are "nature's way" and it should just be without control, then he is an idiot. It's one thing for a species to disappear for various reasons ... its another for man to go spray it's environment with pesticides and actively kill it or haphazardly drive over it with 4x4 vehicles or level its habitat and build a golf course.

Computer Engineering ... but I am good looking and handsome so I must be one of the exceptions

Come on, Azat's not that bad looking.

Oooo I like that I guess I did deseve that

The issue about the handicapps is more about social justice than equal rights. In other words, you want to provide advantage to those with the least advantage in order to achieve social justice. I don't believe marriage is a civil right. It is a societal priviledge (and thus, this thread is not titled properly). Denying gays the "priviledge" of marriage does not infringe on any of their basic human rights. I am all for equal rights ... however, in this case, this is NOT about equal rights. It has been said above as well that this basically boils down to priviledges and money (i.e. visitation priviledges, taxes, blah blah blah). Well ... the constitution guarantees your basic rights as a human ... other public matters are decided by a democratic process where the majority, or it's elected officials get to vote on how things should be. And booo hooo hooo for the gays, they don't have anywhere near the votes they need to get anything done and that's why they are bitching and complaining so much. We don't all get what we want. If they are able to force their agenda and get what they want, then you bet your ass I am going to be next in line declaring marriage to myself as a valid reason to get tax breaks. After all, I love myself a lot and it is genuine love and I deserve the protection and the advantages all those straight couples enjoy.

What makes you think a girl can solve this? By the way, Azatik, I know the answer

I also think homosexuality is most likely some natural phenomenon... otherwise why on earth would anyone choose to be gay? <_<

I suspect there are all sorts of gays ... some are obviously gay from birth but they end up being straight (like Justin Timberlake), some are liberace gay and they embrace it (like Richard Simmons), some you can't even tell they are gay (like Rock Hudson), and some are just confused for various reasons ... oh and some are born as old ladies (like Elton John). Interestingly enough, Jay Leno did this bit once when he walked around the streets and asked some people questions ... then he asked the audience "gay or straight" and for a lot of them, the audience didn't get it right!!! I am sure they picked the more strange ones but still it was a very intriguing exercise.

OH that's so racist ... why you gotta assume the brotha knows how it is in prisons? Just kidding you two and nice to see you around sev.

Anoushik, what homosexuality is, is irrelevant to this topic. What it is not however is very relevant. Homosexuality is NOT a coupled male-female relationship as nature has intended it. Therefore, it is nothing but a life style and we don't need to legislate any specific laws around it. What 2 adults, or 2 adults and a donkey, or 3 adults, or 3 adults and a donkey and a midget and a few circus clowns want to do in their bedroom is nobodies business but their own. ... actually, more power to them. If they want to use whipped cream with a cherry on top as well, so be it. I just don't see any valid reason to officially "recognize" that life style other than the minority trying to shove their way of lives down everyone's throat. Please note that I am not saying homosexuality is a disease, or not genetic, or not biological or any other irrelevant crap like that. Homosexuality is what homosexality is. It is not a union between a male and a female and thus, it's is not marriage. Call it "gaunion" or "lesbiage" or "homorrage" ... but don't call it marriage when it isn't.

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