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HAI, AI, I, HAY, HYE, AYR? ---- Professor Pilikian’s Discovery of a Sensational Armenian Linguistic Fossil dating Back hundreds of thousands of years to the emergence of Human language Itself ---- Very interesting to say the least.. See the rest here; http://www.ramgavar.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=360%3Aedwina-charles-professor-pilikians-discovery-of-a-sensational-armenian-linguistic-fossil-dating-back-hundreds-of-thousands-of-years-to-the-emergence-of-human-language-itself&catid=56%3Aramgavar-mamoul&Itemid=27&lang=en Some quotes; A bit of stretch? Another bit of stretch?

Sometime ago I succeeded to have him drop the "khoja" screen name**. Let me now suggest that he adopt the name "confucius". As to denomination? What day is today? A different denomination for each of the seven days of the week. **See #s 12, 13 and 14 here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=5150&st=0 PS. I was presumptuous to ascribe "khoja" to Chinese, which I later corrected to from Arabic Khawaja. PS. Btw, I am not totally convinced that Der Boghosian is the monster they want us to believe. He may be another "dead" disaporan "cash cow".

Yes, he’s baaack! We need more misogynes and pedophiles, be they perpetrators or perpetrateds of the sort. Please don’t encourage him with his sino-judeo-armeno-assyro-catholico obsession. He is more confused than "confucius". The Chines call him him Kong Fuzi or Kong Zi or Master Kong. Here is his picture. http://www.tuvy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/confucius.jpg http://www.tuvy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/confucius.jpg Apparently his long absence and intensive psychotherapy has failed, and once again he brings his case here. Sad to say, we have no known psychoanalysts here. He and his likes need understanding and compassion of their trauma, not derision, that at times me and others have dished out. We are eternally grateful that he blames the “catholic(church) priests”, not Armenian priests for his misfotunes. Let’s leave the lid of that can of worms down. Case in point. This may partially explain their extreme abhorrence of the opposite sex and why either of them are not happily married to a member of the better gender with their own children and grandchildren? I will never understand the phenomenon of pedophilia. Is it like watching the lower “cheeks” of a helpless child rather than their beautiful faces? ** Why is celibacy defined as abstinence from sexual contact with the other gender but not abstinence from same? i.e, as long as it does not produce a “fruit” ? Some of them have. Ask Yeghisheh , one time Patriarch of Jerusalem who has half a dozen children scattered all over.

Harut do you know the proverb “Charity Begins at Home”? I always thought it was from the Bible. Apparently not. Charles Dickens jumps out but here is more- How do you expect the world in general and those morons in particular to use the historical Armenian names when we ourselves, be individually, collectively and officially still call Artsakh NKR or whatever **** . When even our media and the so called Artsakh Embassy in DC still calls itself “kara--whatever”. http://www.nkrusa.org/index.shtml When I first joined here this Subject Topic was labeled k*r*****whatever“.You may remember how long it took me to have our Captains and Commanders to rename this category ARTSAKH Let me repeat - CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME.

Yes Indeed! From the Mirror Spectator, October 20,2011; May be her most recent picture; http://www.mirrorspectator.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Kay-Armen.jpg http://www.mirrorspectator.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Kay-Armen.jpg http://www.mirrorspectator.com/2011/10/20/kay-armen-95-dies/ Earlier; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hy/8/86/Kay-armen.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hy/8/86/Kay-armen.jpg Photostream; http://www.suntimes.com/photos/galleries/index.html?story=8311639

ADVOCATES FOR DIASPORANS? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10496&st=40&p=285749&hl=najarian&fromsearch=1entry285749 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=21251&st=0&p=258643&hl=najarian&fromsearch=1entry258643 ---- Is this genuine or yet another con job? i.e. Now that everyone else have fleeced the Diasponas, it is OUR TURN? --- http://www.armenianow.com/news/33364/chamber_advocates_diaspora_investmnets_cheating

LAND OF HONEY? HOW SWEET!! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/European_honey_bee_extracts_nectar.jpg Queen Bee. In Armenian known as Պարմաեր/ Պարմէր/Parmayr/Parmer http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16797&st=0 Where is our Queen Bee Maral? http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_531/1282222973ztkWe0.jpg ՈՒ ՄԵՂՐ ՈՒ ԿԱԹ ՈՒ ԳԻՆԻ Honey, Milk and Wine. Now that we have the Honey- http://news.am/pic/news/82419.jpg http://news.am/pic/news/82419.jpg And the Wine- http://www.lacproducts.com/products/wine/Vedi_Areni.jpg http://www.lacproducts.com/products/wine/Vedi_Areni.jpg All we need now is Milk- http://files.myopera.com/Summerz/albums/825308/thumbs/milking%20cow.png_thumb.jpg http://files.myopera.com/Summerz/albums/825308/thumbs/milking%20cow.png_thumb.jpg ==== http://hy.wikisource.org/wiki/%D5%80%D5%AB%D6%82%D5%B2%D5%A8 Ու գրգանքիս կանչէի ուղեւորներ պարտասուն, ու բարեւի մը փոխան հազար բարիք ես տայի։ Հազար բարիք ես տայի, գոլը կրակին ճարճատուն կութքը բերրի դաշտերուն, բոլոր միրգերն աշունի, ու մեղր ու կաթ ու գինի... ==== http://news.am/eng/news/82419.html Let us also see these- http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=36701&pid=285302&st=0entry285302 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=31054&pid=276349&st=0entry276349

NOBLE HOUSES of KILIKIA And now we go back to our westernmost. Not really. Not that far west. We cannot . It will be beyond the borders of Armenia. Be it Major, Minor or Between. It will be a stretch to call them “Armenian”. We had “princely houses” (?) further west all the way to stanbol, known as Ամիրայութիւն/Amiralty/Amira-dom. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=22392&st=0&p=261267&hl=amira&fromsearch=1entry261267 ==== Princely families of the Armenian Kingdon of Kilikia (Cilicia) Hetumian Rubinian Lusinian (Lusignan) ===== I don’t know any families named Rubenian/Rubinian, Hethumian or Lusinian . Do you? O yes, I do. They are called Մահիկեան/Mahikian/Crescent/Halfmoon/Կիսալուսին. === http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Kingdom_of_Cilicia#The_Rubenid_dynasty

ՇԷՆԳԱՒԻԹ- SHENGAVITH http://www.reporter.am/images/StandardImage/Figure1.jpg http://www.reporter.am/images/StandardImage/Figure1.jpg http://www.reporter.am/go/article/2011-11-15-shengavit-preserve-offers-glimpse-to-armenia-s-pre-history- http://www2.widener.edu/~msrothma/shengavitweb2.html

PALACES and OTHER PLACES Our ugly side is uglier by the day. Hopefully these kinds of issues will be resolved peacefuly. http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2011/11/6599.jpg The shemefully obscene; http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2011/11/6599.jpg http://hetq.am/eng/articles/6599/the-palatial-estates-of-armenias-oligarchs.html .==== And the OTHER PLACES Watch the photosteam http://hetq.am/eng/multimedia/slideshows/29/ One of many; http://hetq.am/static/slideshows/29/399.jpg http://hetq.am/static/slideshows/29/399.jpg

MELIKDOMS of KHAMSA Another interesting tidbit I saw was in under the Noble houses of Artsakh. Consider the Arabic “malek=king/melik” i.e “property owner/landlord”. Not to forget the “meliks” of Artsakh. We will skip over the westernmost Noble Houses of Klikia. We may get back to them. To the Easternmost.. Remember that Raffi’ s given name was - Hakob Melik Hakobian (Armenian: Յակոբ Մելիք-Յակոբեան), better known by his pen name Raffi (Armenian: Րաֆֆի), Also remember that “khamsa” is an Arabic word to mean “five”. As we see many of the dynastic names sound Arabo-Persian-turkic , even Judaic, as in respectively- Jalal Hasanian, Shakhnazarian/Mirzakhanian ,,, israelian, etc. Խամսայի մելիքությունները "Khamsayi Melikoutiunerâ" The Five Melikdoms (1888) As in “Thy kingdom come, li ye‘ti malekutek/melekutek/melikutek لِيَأْتِ مَلَكُوتُكَ، -Եկեսցէ Արքայութթիւն քո/Մելիքութիւն քո” === http://www.bvahan.com/armenianway/aw/nobility/Armenian_Princes_Eng.html http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%BD%D5%A1%D5%B4%D5%BD%D5%A1%D5%B5%D5%AB_%D5%B4%D5%A5%D5%AC%D5%AB%D6%84%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%A9%D5%B5%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B6%D5%B6%D5%A5%D6%80 http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8A%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%AF%D5%A5%D6%80:Armenia_in_XVII_c.jpg http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8A%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%AF%D5%A5%D6%80:Armenia_in_XVII_c.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nagorno-Karabakh

ՄԱԼԽԱՍ Malkhas ՄԱԼԽԱԶ-Malkhaz ՄԱԼԽԱԶՈՒՆԻ Have you ever wondered where the name/surname Malkhas/Malkhasian comes from? I did not know, neither did I give it a thought, until I saw it in the Noble Houses . Let’s reread what Johannes had written here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16568&st=20 Let’s play a game. Pick one of the names that you deem exotic, interesting , even funny and see if we can trace their origin and nomenclature. I have no idea who the Malkhazuni-s are. I cannot find any reference to them except here. My interest was piqued when I saw this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=37340&pid=286179&st=0entry286179 Search and see how many Malkhasians you find. Not to forget the many different spellings. My search yielded About 98,800 results . My first instinct was that “mal“ meant property and “khass” meant “perfect, choice/genuine”. I may have been right. I had known those words from the Arabic -“mal=property” and “khass=private/choice. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5 http://armenian.name/index.php?a=list&d=5&t=dict&w1=%D5%84 http://armenian.name/index.php?a=list&d=1&t=dict&w1=M ---- Princely houses. Here we can see an expanded list and the extent their of their realm, all the way from Kilikia to Artsakh. http://www.bvahan.com/armenianway/aw/nobility/Armenian_Princes_Eng.html And a partial explanation of the names. . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Malkhasyants http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hy/3/3a/Stepan_Malkhasyants_1.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Stepan_Malkhasyants_2.jpg The most prominent of them all, Stepan Malkhasiants, academician, linguist, grammarian and dictionarian; His best known work is the Armenian Explanatory Dictionary/ Հայերէն Բացատրական Բառարան/Hayeren Batsatrakan Barraran . http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8D%D5%BF%D5%A5%D6%83%D5%A1%D5%B6_%D5%84%D5%A1%D5%AC%D5%AD%D5%A1%D5%BD%D5%B5%D5%A1%D5%B6%D6%81

What does it mean to be an Armenian? To be Armenian is to have Khash for brekfast, drink furkush kafe at 10 AM break, eat dolma for lunch, have basturma for snack and shish kebab for dinner. Oh, oh!! And not to forget to go to the Time Square on April 24.

Excellent find Zartonk. It never occurred to me that "khanoum" may be from "khan/house" i.e , "lady of the house". I am so gratified that our fearless leaders who use terms like գաղթօճախ/gaght-ojakh, կրթօճախ /krt-ojakh at every turn have not yet graduated to calling the ՀայՏուն/Armenian House ermeni-khan.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON ՀԱՅՐ ՈՒ ՏՂԱՅ PAPA AZAT SARGSYAN http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2011/11/6398.jpg http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2011/11/6398.jpg http://hetq.am/eng/interviews/6398/president-sargsyans-father-when-you-visit-stepanakert-ask-for-azat-the-blacksmith.html (BTW. What is a “trotskyite”? *** Will someone please tell those neo-anglo-armenians that "kid" in proper English is not such an edearing term for "children"? It is a slang to mean a young "goat". Do we call our children "այծիկ/aytsik/ուլիկ"? Yes, we know that one of heroes of the Battle of Ani was named Այծեամ/Այծեմնիկ/Aytsemnik. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=12713&st=0&p=156515&hl=aytsemnik&fromsearch=1entry156515 http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/21/2143/BSQED00Z/posters/reinhard-pygmy-domestic-goat-kid.jpg Seems like it is from the Norse-Dutch -German “geit”- "goat". Advance to “kind” as in “kinder-garten”.

Grandma’s Tattoos A Riveting Film About the Forgotten Women of Genocide ՏԱՏԻԿԻՆ ԴԱՋՈՒԱԾՔՆԵՐԸ http://www.aztagdaily.com/?p=37227 http://www.armenianweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/0901khanoum.jpg Grandma Khanoum http://www.armenianweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/0901khanoum.jpg Also see this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=21754&st=0&p=259795&hl=tattoo&fromsearch=1entry259795 And this; http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/online_exhibition_2.php (BTW, Khanoum means Lady in the Persian خانم One Pers-Eng dictionary says it is of Mongolian origin.. The word is usually used in association with “khartoum” as in “khanoum - khartoum” , which also means “noble, lady”.) http://www.armenianweekly.com/2011/09/07/%E2%80%98grandma%E2%80%99s-tattoos%E2%80%99-a-riveting-film-about-the-forgotten-women-of-genocide-trailers/

Today Nov. 11, 2011 at 11:11 AM and 11:11 PM the hour, minute, day, month, and the, year will be 11-11-11-11-11 Did you buy your lottery ticket yet? http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/11.11.11-wishes-armenia.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/11.11.11-wishes-armenia.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/multimedia/feature_photo/33175/one_minute_for_a_dream Remember that 13 months ago it was 10 10 10 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=30874&st=0&p=276274&hl=october&fromsearch=1entry276274 And in another 13 months it will be 12 12 12 Too bad that there is no !3th month, otherwise we would have a 13 13 !3

ԱԶՆՈՒԱԿԱՆ Nobility, Noble Dynasties, Nakharars. ԱԶՆԻՒ ՏՈՒՆ Noble House This whole thing was prompted by this; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=37137&st=0&p=285965&hl=erzurum&fromsearch=1entry285965 Followed by this Khorenatsi; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=37226&pid=286014&st=0entry286014 This Port-Navel; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=37247 And this Aznavor; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=37250 How many of the below Dynastic Names do we have now? Note that many and most of them don’t have the obligatory IAN/YAN ending. According to some, of late there is a movement in Armenia to go back and re-adopt historical dynastic family names. If that happens 90% of the population with family names like Sargsian , Dav-T-ians, Khachatrian , will have to change? BTW. Who are Sarg-S Dav-T and Khachat-R? You mean St Sargis, David and Khachatur (Abovian)? Let’s see how many of the below dynastic names we have today in whatever form. Armenian Nobility; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9534&st=0&p=105707&hl=nobility&fromsearch=1entry105707 Nakharar; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=22621&st=0&p=261771&hl=nakharar&fromsearch=1entry261771 See the Armenian version here; http://www.bvahan.com/armenianway/aw/nobility/Armenian_Princes_Arm.html Nobility; http://www.bvahan.com/armenianway/aw/nobility/Armenian_Nobility_arm.htm http://www.bvahan.com/armenianway/aw/nobility/Gahnamak_Eng.html ԳԱՀՆԱՄԱԿ In the Persian it is written as GAHNAMEH ---- A partial list of Vardananq. There is a longer list, 70 total of those Nakharars’that signed the Gahnamak sent to the King of Persia. === Of course, the commander was none other than Vardan Mamikon-IAN himself. And the rest were…; Nershapuh Artsruni, Khoren Khorkhoruni, Artak Paluni, Vahan Aamatuni, the Vahevuni-s, Tatul Timaksian, Arshavir Arsharuni, Shemavon Atzevatsi, Tajat Gntuni, Atom Gnuni, Khosrov Gapeghian, Garen Saharuni, Hmayak and Kazrik Timaksian, Nerseh Kachberuni, Barsam Mandakuni, Arsen Untzayetsi, Ayrouk Sughuni, Vren Dashratsi, Barsam Artsruni, Khours Srvantstiants, The Akean-s, Turpatuni-s Rushduni-s. We also know that the opposition was led by Vasak Syuni. Above we see that at that time many forms of toponyms and patrynims were in use, i.e Armenians did have surnames. We can go even further back and see Remember that the -UNI ending comes to us from the Urartuan as in EREBUNI.. Also "etsi/atsi/ents/onts/ounts" ---- By Movses Khorenatsi: 1. Bagratuni 2. Vanandatsi 3. Gnthuni 4. Xorxoruni* 5. Varajnuni 6. Gabelean 7. Abelean 8. Artzruni 9. Gnuni 10. Spanduni 11. Havnuni 12. Dzyunakan 13. Muratsan - Maratswots 14. Sisakean 15. Kadmean 16. Uteatsi 17. Gardmanats - Gardmanits 18. Tzavdeatsi 19. Gargaratsi 20. Gushar 21. Ashots 22. Gugarats bdeshx 23. Vorduni 24. Angegh tun 25. Tzophats 26. Apahuni 27. Manavazean 28. Bznuni 29. Slkuni 30. Mandakuni 31. Vahuni 32. Aravenean 33. Zarehavanean 34. Shavarshean - Sanasarean 35. Mokats 36. Kordwats 37. Andzevatsi 38. Akeats 39. Rshtuni 40. Goghthan - Golthan 41. Hashtenits - Hashtuni 42. Artashamean - Mihrdatean 43. Aliovitean - Arshakuni 44. Arberanean - Arshakuni 45. Aldzneats bdeshx 46. Dimaqsean 47. Truni 48. Amatuni 49. Aravelean 50. Ropsean 51. Vchenits tun 52. Mamikonean 53. Kamsarakan 54. Mardpetuni 55. Andzit 56. Xaduni 57. Xordzenits 58. Tchitchraketsi 59. Geghamean 60. Sharaean 61. Kananatsi 62. Tashiroy - Tashrats --- According to "The Life of Nerses": 1. Haykazuni - Haykazean 2. Parthevean 3. Ayraratean - Araratuni 4. Bagratuni 5. Trpatuni - Trdatuni 6. Aspetuni 7. Malxazuni 8. Xorxoruni 9. Artzruni 10. Mamikonean 11. Syunetsi - Syuni 12. Amatuni 13. Angelean - Angegh tun 14. Vratsi - Virats 15. Tzopats 16. Varajnuni 17. Mardpetuni - Marzpetuni 18. Vahevuni 19. Paluni - Pahlavuni 20. Kazb - Kasp 21. Sisanean - Sisean 22. Kadmean 23. Manavazean 24. Yedesean 25. Gamrean 26. Bznuni 27. Sasanean 28. Gison - Gisanean 29. Yekelean 30. Kavpetuni - Kamuni - Kaypetuni 31. Andzteatsi 32. Sebastean 33. Ashtishatean 34. Srvandztean 35. Andzevatsi 36. Aspakuni 37. Rshtuni 38. Vahanuni 39. Aldznuni 40. Qolean - Goshean 41. Kazbuni - Kazmuni 42. Kamsarakan 43. Mokats 44. Slkuni 45. Gnthuni 46. Atrpatuni - Apatuni 47. Golthnatsi - Goghthnatsi 48. Gazrikean 49. Dzoghkert 50. Malxazean - Mahean 51. Mruni 52. Razmuni 53. Gabelean 54. Sparuni - Asparuni 55. Vahuni 56. Vrnjuni 57. Surean - Sirean 58. Dimaqsean 59. Sruni - Mruni 60. Darbandean 61. Aragatsean 62. Kogovtean 63. Apahuni 64. Yntsaetsi 65. Arkean 66. Kordvatsi 67. Aravelean 68. Hashtean - Hashtuni 69. Vrean 70. Vanandean 71. Parachuni - Rachuni 72. Tashratsi - Tashiroy 73. Urtzetsi 74. Mandakuni 75. Taetsi 76. Melitean 77. Dashtkaruni - Dashtkarin 78. Basenean - Basenoy 79. TSaghkuni - Tzalkuni 80. Mamikonean (the second) 81. Perejuni 82. Tlkean - Mlkean 83. Bagavanean 84. Ashtotsean - Ashtorsean 85. Abeluni 86. Xaltean - Xaghtean 87. Saharuni 88. Ashxagorean 89. Gnuni 90. Hamazguni 91. Akeatsi - Akeats - Aknuni 92. Vijuni 93. Aropsuni - Ropsean 94. Shahorapet 95. Tzaytiuni 96. Zanachirapet - Vahanchirapet 97. Varazatakean - Varazean 98. Yntzaeni - Yntzay 99. Mlruni - Mghruni 100. Arshuni 101. Karean 102. Mardaxean 103. Lekandrean 104. Xordzean - Xoreni 105. Dzyunakan 106. Hambujean - Amutsean 107. Kortean - Kartean 108. Klundi - Kghundi 109. Zarehavanean 110. Turberanean 111. Bjuni - Bjnuni 112. Tpghuni 113. Mehruni 114. Qaghaqapetn 115. Kayushean 116. Spanduni 117. Artashatean - Artashamean 118. Vorsapetn 119. Arkatsots ter - Artzvots ter (Eaglemasters) 120. Ropsean 121. Bagraspuni - Bagratuni 122. Parspuni - Parsparuni 123. Agheghnadroshn 124. Grchuni 125. Netoghn 126. Namakuni 127. Qalean 128. Asparaxazn 129. Abrahamean 130. Hiusnakan 131. Balasakan 132. Tchighb - Tchlb 133. Lernakan 134. Saprasmean 135. Yechmatakn 136. Goroghvayn 137. Vardeshean - Vardanean 138. Dramandn - Dramatn 139. Xachean 140. Xaxbean 141. Droshakirn 142. Mahaluni - Mashxaluni 143. Voskemani 144. Arutchean 145. Kalarjean - Klarchean 146. Tathevean 147. Datavtchirean 148. Dzorabnakean 149. Chakatamugh 150. Derjain - Derjani, Derdzani 151. Shahapuni 152. Barmean 153. Kamxean 154. Gavarapetn (Governor) ---- Other houses who are not included in the list of gahs (thrones) 1. Uripean - Hovsepean 2. Pokayuni 3. Muatsean - Msatsean 4. Apekuni 5. Xnuni 6. Baznuni - Bznuni - Bazauni 7. Alnevuni - Alesuni 8. Hiuranean - Isanean 9. Kznuni - Kghzuni 10. Tushuni - Tushkuni 11. Kruni 12. Maznuni - Mazkeni 13. Malxazuni ---- By Sahak Parthev: First princes and malxaz: 1. Syuni 2. Aspet 3. Artzruni 4. Mamikonean 5. Shahap Tzophats 6. Mokats 7. Rshtuni 8. Vahuni 9. Kaspeits 10. Andzevatsi 11. Apahuni 12. Kamsarakan 13. Apahuni (other) 14. Vanandatsi 15. Amatuni 16. Goltan - Goghthan 17. Gnuni 18. Andzevatsi (other) 19. Tayots 20. Baseni datavor (judge of Basen, Basenoy) 21. Gnthuni 22. Vardzavuni 23. Gardmanay 24. Malxaz 25. Saharuni 26. Gabelean 27. Abelean 28. Syuni - Syuneats (the second) 29. Artzruni - Artzruneats (the second) 30. Artzruni - Artzruneats (the third) 31. Mamikonean - Mamikoneats (the second) 32. Ropsean 33. Ashotsean 34. Dimaqsean 35. Buxa Dmaqsean 36. Abelean (the second) 37. Dimaqsean (the second) 38. Puleni 39. Aravelean 40 Ashamarean 41. Ambujean 42. Varaspakean 43. Dzyunakan 44. Akeatsi - Ake - Aknuni 45. Zarehavanean 46. Yntzaetsi 47. Mandakuni 48. Slkuni 49. Taygrean 50. Yermanthuni 51. Spanduni 52. Aravenean 53. Truni 54. Mamberatsi - Tamberatsi 55. Havnuni 56. Bjnuni 57. Qajberuni 58. Mehnuni 59. Naxtcheri 60. Qalaqapetn arquni (Mayor of the court) 61. Vorsapetn arquni (Huntmaster) 62. Artashesean 63. Vanandatsi (the second) 64. Tsul 65. Vijani 66. Akatsi 67. Dimaqsean of Shirak 68. Gazrikean 69. Maratsean 70. Vagraspuni ---- By Yeghishe: The Vardanides: 1. Artzruni 2. Xorxoruni 3. Mamikonean 4. Paluni 5. Amatuni 6. Vahevuni 7. Dimaqsean 8. Arsharuni / Kamsarakan 9. Andzevatsi 10. Gnthuni 11. Gnuni 12. Gabelean 13. Saharuni 14. Dimaqsean (the second) 15. Dimaqsean (the third) 16. Qajberuni 17. Mandakuni 18. Yntsaetsi 19. Slkuni 20. Tashrats 21. Artzruni (the second) 22. Arquni Shahaxorapet 23. Srvandztean 24. Qolean 25. Akeatsi - Aknuni 26. Trpatuni 27. Rshtuni 28. Mokats 29. Vanandatsi 30. Ropsonean 31. Rmbosean 32. Aravelean --- The Vasakides: 1. Syuni - Syuneats 2. Rshtuni (the second) 3. Xorxoruni (the second) 4. Vahevuni (the second) 5. Bagratuni 6. Apahuni 7. Gabelean 8. Akei - Akeatsi - Aknuni 9. Urtzi 10. Paluni (the second) 11. Amatuni ---- By Lazar Parbetsi: The Vardanides: 1. Artzruni 2. Xorxoruni 3. Malxaz 4. Mamikonean 5. Mokats 6. Andzevatsi 7. Vanandatsi 8. Arsharuni / Kamsarakan 9. Amatuni 10. Gnuni 11. Ashots 12. Dimaqsean 13. Abelean 14. Aravelean 15. Dzyunakan 16. Paluni 17. Gnthuni 18. Qajberuni 19. Gnuni (the second) 20. Yntzaetsi 21. Srvandztean 22. Vanandatsi (the second) 23. Artzruni (the second) 24. Mandakuni 25. Tashrats 26. Ropsean 27. Amatuni (the second) 28. Ashots 29. Gnthuni (the second) 30. Vanandi 31. Vahevuni --- The Vasakides: 1. Syuni 2. Rshtuni 3. Xorxoruni (the second) 4. Bagratuni 5. Apahuni 6. Vahevuni (the second) 7. Paluni 8. Abelean (the second) 9. Urtzi 10. Galebean - Gabelenits Other Armenian princely houses who were mentioned in the Vardanide war: Aldzneats bdeshx Angex-tun - Angel-tun Tzopats Hashuni Yekeleats Arshakuni Arshamuni Artakuni Mardpetuni Hovsepean Yervanduni Saharuni Aravenean Aghberkatsi - Alberkatsi Karkain

Nareg Gourjian The next rising star, the next Geragos? See the connection below. I did not know that he was on the defense team at the trial of MJ ‘s death. Not that I followed that “kangaroo court” closely. http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Nareg-Gourjian-5.jpg http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Nareg-Gourjian-5.jpg http://www.gourjianlaw.com/nareg.html

NEW AND IMPROVED HIGHWAY? http://www.armenianow.com/karabakh/33013/karabakh_kelbajar_new_road_armenia See # 2 here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17153&pid=219139&st=0entry219139 http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/armenia-karabakh-map.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/armenia-karabakh-map.jpg My only wish is that our friends stop using that “nagor/kagor&%#^kara-&$%*#whatever” name for Artsakh. Of course, this may deprive the Siunik Region, Sisian, Goris , Berdzor et al of valuable touristic income, but it can still be maintained by those who want to see Sisian, Goris, Satani Kamurj and Tatev. http://www.armenianow.com/karabakh/33013/karabakh_kelbajar_new_road_armenia

ԱԶՆԱՒՈՐ-ԱԶՆԱՒՈՒՐ AZNAWOR-Aznawour -Nobility What does it really mean? A variation of ԱԶԳ- ԱԶՆ-AZG - Nation, Heredity, Dynasty, Descendent. Race. Like in Դիւցազն ԴիտսազնDiutsazn/Ditsazn descended of deities. Դիւցազներգ means Epic as in the Epic of “Սասունցի Դաւիդ-David of Sasoun“. http://linkavia.com/content/images/sightseeings/david_of_sassoun.jpg http://linkavia.com/content/images/sightseeings/david_of_sassoun.jpg When we spell it as ԱԶՆԱՈՒՐ-Aznawour ազնաւուր ազնաւոր it becomes aapparent.. ԱԶՆԱՒՈՐ/AznaWOR , nobility is known in the Georgian language as ԱԶՆԱՎՈՒՐ/AznaWOUR.. See below the Georgian Armenian heritage of his ancestors. His family name is spelled in the Georgian variant. Not the Armenian ԱզնաՒՈրեան/AznaWORi-an, but Ազանաւուրեան/AznaWOUR-ian. -Nobilty. A Google search of Aznavourian turns out about 62,300 results, many of which are on or about him. http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2008-08/40093/491136_640px.jpg?1219104805 http://st-listas.20minutos.es/images/2008-08/40093/491136_640px.jpg?1219104805 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Aznavour Note. This item and some others that I have been posting are a preamble to the next- “Historical Armenian Nobility/ Noble Houses”

ՊՈՐՏ Port/ Navel/Umbilical cord Nakharar. On the surface, some may think the word is made up of “nakh/pre” and “arar/doer,maker". It in fact means navel, umbilical cord.. See below. In the Armenian ՊՈՐՏ/port also means generation. As when it advised to not marry within “7 generations/Եօթը բորտ”. According to Ajarian it is sometimes known as փոր/por/որովայն/abdomen, and as the case may be պորտաքար, the topping stone of a dome/arch. A keystone? http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/uploaded_images/ArcKeyStoneDSCF5630-706581.jpg http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/uploaded_images/ArcKeyStoneDSCF5630-706581.jpg The following is from here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=22621&st=0&p=261771&hl=nakharar&fromsearch=1entry261771

ԽՈՐԵՆԱՑԻ Khorenatsi Խորնեցի Խորոնքի? His birth and death dates are disputed , even the century. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/St.Movses_Khorenatsi.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/St.Movses_Khorenatsi.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hy/1/18/Movses_khorenatsi_illustration.jpeg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hy/1/18/Movses_khorenatsi_illustration.jpeg http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%84%D5%B8%D5%BE%D5%BD%D5%A5%D5%BD_%D4%BD%D5%B8%D6%80%D5%A5%D5%B6%D5%A1%D6%81%D5%AB Below we read that he was born in the Village of Khorni in Taraun.. If he was born in Khorni would not he be called Khornetsi? Where is/was Khorni also known as Khoronk? Above we see that it was a town in the Taron/Taraun region. Not much is said about it. Up until 1915 there was village Խորոնք/Khoronk in the Bitlis/Moush region with 50 houses, all Armenian. At the present there is a Khoronk in the Armavir region, Population (2008) - Total 2,333. Hey Zartonk! Do you see the village named for you? http://www.geopostcodes.com/index.php?pg=browse&grp=1&sort=3&niv=5&id=108205&l=1 --- Sometime ago, in another post I seemingly erroneously attributed to him his letter of appreciation to a certain Sahak that I assumed was St. Sahak Partev. Even though he had had contact with the Catholicos as a student, this Sahak in question is Prince Sahak Bagratuni, his sponsor and mentor who had urged him to write his masterpiece The History of Armenia.

Someone please tell us about Khorenatsi;s obsession with the hryas? What is his aim and purpose? I just looked up the Amatouni-s , if only for alphabetical order and …. Voila!!! Yet further down he loses his composure and becomes totally irrelevant when he says that Aamatouni-s are from Persia, possibly from the region of Ahmadan/Hamadan We will follow up and see who else he says are of hrya origin. **I think it was HagopN who said that in those days anyone from the south of Armenia was called “hrya” not necessarily to mean Judean. See #9 here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15852&pid=204327&st=0entry204327 PS. Under another topic we will see all the Noble Dynasties/Nakharars of Armenia. ----- http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%B1%D5%B4%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B6%D5%AB%D5%B6%D5%A5%D6%80