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Very good Boghos. Thank you for urging me to look further. I was with the impression that the Armenian for Isabelle is Zabel. It turns out it was not so farfetched. See our own Queen Zabel of Kilikia below. Seemingly she was not a native born Armenian as her name was not Anahit, Astghik, Nane, Anush or Manush. PS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_Kocharyan http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Bella_Kocharyan.jpg Bella Kocharyan (Armenian: Բելլա Քոչարյան; born January 31, 1954 in Stepanakert, N?????rno-K???kh,** Republic of Armenia) is the wife of former Armenian President Robert Kocharyan and is the former first lady of Armenia.[1] The current first lady, president Sagisian’s wife is Rita. ** Whoever wrote the above who said Bella was born in Nakako Kakabakh. When are we going to stop speaking russo-fu®cko-asszeri and start speaking Armenian?

ԿՂԷՈՊԱՏՐԱ Cleopatra? No, not this Cleopatra of the Nile; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lawrence_Alma-Tadema-_Anthony_and_Cleopatra.JPG But this http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OIEO_ErSoeI/TgaPgHpD1oI/AAAAAAAAAFM/Gtou9a1vyCM/s1600/IsabelBayrakdarianPage60big.jpg The Cleopatra of Pontus. Even if there may be a connection as both of them were of Greek origin. Tigran II the Great and the king Mihrdat VI of Pontus had negotiated a treaty** to counter the Roman onslaught from the west and the Parthian from the south. The pact was consummated, so to speak by Tigran’s marriage to Mihrdat’s daughter Cleopatra. ** Known as the Armeno-Pontic pact, Հայ- Պոնտական Դաշինք http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigranes_the_Great http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/0hh/5musique/tigrane1.htm Do we have a picture of her? Yes we do; http://www.armenianweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Bayrakdarian.jpg

ՀԵՐԵՏԻԿՈՍ, HERETIC ՀԵՐՁՈՒԱԾՈՂ Sometime ago when I wrote this, http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18401&st=0&p=245113&hl=heretic&fromsearch=1entry245113 Someone asked what “heretic” means? --- PS. Upon further searching to see what the Persian word for “heresy/heretic” is, one of it said “منش mensh/menesh?” Verrry interrresting! We will see why. However when I looked up Pers- Anglo for the word it says “nature, disposition”. Do they mean “dis” and “position”? I have to look up the true meaning of “disposition”.

Naturally she would not invite wife of the French ambassador lest she upstage her opening act http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YamDoDK71Ds With this Will she remove her head scarf to expose her highly sexually provocative public head hair http://www.hindustantimes.com/Images/2008/3/d63c8bf9-1c79-472d-961d-bd64a27e36f6HiRes.JPG or her pubic hair?

We had already seen these; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=5197&st=0&p=281309&hl=tourian%20odyssey&fromsearch=1entry281309 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=5197 http://hetq.am/eng/news/850/ There are no photographs of Tourian, the portrait we see was composed posthumously according to eyewitness accounts of those who knew him. And now the latest in AZG where we see some details of the Odyssey; http://www.azg.am/AM/2012012518

Now that this thread under the catrgory of Internationl I can freely paticipate. From Groong; See what those sewer rats in stanbol are saying. Note below that they are using the G word without any qualifiers or quotation marks. Is this writer (Murat Yetkin) Armenian?? Is the “donkey manure” hitting the fan and blowing in their faces? Highlights mine.

Congratulations!!! I feel so vindicated and gratified. If everything fails... notice how they sing in unison and on key. ԶԱՐԹԻՐ ԼԱՕ ՄՌՆԻՄ ՔԶԻ !!!! ԼԱՕ is a contraction of ԼԱ ՏՂՕ/ Լա Տօ /Ծօ Տղայ.

Me /We hating you? Dear Nvard, of course we love you. I would not insult even a strand of your gorgeous hair. Քաւ Լիցի, forgive me, god forbid Արամազդ մի արասցէ**, Իմ մեղքը Mea Culpa. WE LOVE YOU with or without the head. I wish someone would paint a picture of Ara’s lover Nuard When everything fails here is a close likeness of you. http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Mother-of-God.jpg http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Mother-of-God.jpg **Do you see the Արա/Ara/Արամ/Aram in the name of Արամազդ/Aramazd? Some say it is from the Zoroastrian Ormizt. Look again. http://festivals.iloveindia.com/gifs/zoroastrianism.jpg http://festivals.iloveindia.com/gifs/zoroastrianism.jpg

Hi Nvard, henceforth your nickname will be Marie Antoinette . I hate to say how the French pronounce “cake” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

Today Jan. 22, 2012 is the 92nd anniversary of what is known ՄԱՐԱՇԻ ԱՂԷՏ , loosely interpreted as disaster, calamity, misfortune . We don’t want to give those savages another excuse to abuse the Armenian language as in ՄԵԾ ԵՂԵՌՆ/YEGHERN. In the Book Marash Grigor Galustian has several chapters about the “Aghets of Marash” , each of which detailing these. This last and the definitive one happened when the French, after encouraging the Armenians to defy the furks, suddenly in one night tying felt and muting the hoof sound of their horses abandoned the wretched remnants of the Genocide to the “mercy”? of the furk. In fact this Aghet is the last and definitive one after the 1895 hamidian massacres, 1909 Adana Massacres, before and after. Below the author writes about her great grandfather, his trials and tribulations blood and gore much of which is muted except the main calamity, that her ancestor lamented most, the loss and destruction of the strong box that contained centuries old archives, family histories, legal documents and other historical records. http://www.aztagdaily.com/?p=48639 http://www.aztagdaily.com/?p=48637

Բարով տեսանք ընկեր Աշոտ, կատօտել ենք քեզ: Սմբուկ խորուած; http://www.giverecipe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/eggplantkebab3.jpg MosJan already corrected it. The Armenian word for that vegetable is “սմբուկ/smbouk” , all other names are Arabo-Perso-furkish.. And see why in the English it is known as eggplant http://gardeningsolutions.ifas.ufl.edu/mastergardener/outreach/plant_id/images/vegetables/eggplant_white.jpg http://www.khiewchanta.com/images/small-white-eggplant.jpg

http://www.armenianow.com/hy http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/winter-season-khash-yerevan-armenia.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/winter-season-khash-yerevan-armenia.jpg Խաշի սեզո-ն??? The “sezo” of khash?? Who is that “sezo”?? He looks like Kocharian. Is it Rubo, Sipo, Edo ,Mosso or Arpo??? Anyone in Yerevan still espik armianski/americanski??? ** http://www.footandmouthdiseaseinfo.org/CMImages/FMDInfo/Cow%20Hoof.jpg

You said a mouthful dear Zartonk. What will be next? Sell the Pantheon/All gods/Դիցարան to mehmet? After all, our most venerable gods, the likes of Komitas, born in Kotina/Kutahya,furkey, Charents, born in Kars(furkey), Sevak born in the then known village of Chanakhchi in the azizbekov region, now known as Sevak and Vayots Dzor respectively. Are the sacred remains of Charents and Sevak re-interred at the Pantheon? Nairi told us that Bakounts’ house museum is now a boutique. Is there a limit to sacrilege/Սրաբապղծում? We read that the “brain drain/emigration” is at an all time high. At this rate of evacuation, the Pantheon will be renamed “allahlar”,Lalvar/Allah Verdi,** Vanadzor/karakiliseh/kirovakan/Vanadszor…. Shall we redefine հայրենասիրում patriotism with գլենտեյլնասիրում/Glendale-a-siroum /մոսկվասիրում? Read the rest here; http://www.armenianow.com/social/34707/armenia_emigration_demographic_situation Related,,see # 13 by Ani; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=21686&pid=285901&st=0entry285901 ** http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=35830&st=0&p=283730&hl=alaverdi&fromsearch=1entry283730

http://news.am/pic/news/89339.jpg A very disturbing story. We will see if we can learn more about it. What will the sign on the building say, Tumanoglu? http://news.am/eng/news/89339.html

Thank you Azat, It made me cry also. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=38589&pid=287819&st=0entry287819 Too bad that you chose to air it under one of my least favorite categories of the Big G. Could you be so kind to air the video here as well. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=21754&st=0&p=283992&hl=tattoo&fromsearch=1entry283992 Or here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=37353&st=0&p=286209&hl=tattoo&fromsearch=1entry286209

HAKHVERAN ՀԱԽՎԵՐԱՆ Where is Nairi Hakhvedi-ian? Both “hakhveran” and “hakhverdi” are from the Arabic حق pr. HAQ/like hock/huck to mean right, title, justice, which in the Armenian where we don’t have the sound of the Arabic Q it turns to Խ/KH. So in the Arabo-Perso-furkish “hakhveran” would mean “giver of justice” i.e judge and “hakhverdi”- (he) “gave justice”. I am getting ahead of myself. We will get back to a certain region known as “Armenistan”.** In that book by Murad Meneshian we read about his near and far travels . In the chapter TRAVELS AROUND SALMAST pg 83 He stops at the village Hakhveran and speaks to the farmer “Hasso”? He does not reveal his name (Hasso) until later in a poem. In the preface of the Book Murad acknowledges his soul mate, lover and wife Knarik, a writer and poet in her own right, as the proof reader and the translator of the poems. I wish I could find the original Armenian version as written by Raffi. The old farmer sings; Move plow forward my strong oxen! Yours is the field , we have not plowed completely. The rain will fall and the fields turn green. Get along, too many are my worries. The Kurd took away my previous harvest And did not leave any feed, barley, straw, or wheat for me. It will be fall soon and then the winter, with snow, And famine will come to unfortunate Hakhveran. So pull, let us go ahead with the tilling. The Lord alone is the guardian of my fields. In the evening , I will release and fed you, So plow, I am a sacrifice to your legs. Le, le, le, le lo, lo,lo,lo . ** Armenistan. See # 13 here. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=7085&st=0 Based on the above Raffi wrote the following poem - Hasso’s Song. Behold, the red sun has risen, Hot and bright is the day, Pull!! You beautiful oxen, Move the plow forward! Let us till the land and make furrows, Deep furrows in the field, Let us sow the seeds, so that we will reap, Then pile the wheat on the threshing ground. Winter will come- we have no fear, Our days will be happy, We have plenty of provisions, Our stomachs are full and sated. Let not our neighbors say, “Hasso’s oxen are lazy”. Pull!! You beautiful oxen, Let us hurry and plow the fields. Did Komitas know the above poems when he composed these? In the Bakounts novella ՀԵՐՈՍ ՆՈՔԱՐԸ we see this; .Was Hakhveran a person with that name, or is it just a description of a judge? See #2 here as per Sayat Nova. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=25153&pid=281801&st=0entry281801 :

We will see more. Raffi had traveled extensively, both in his native region of Salmast/Payajuk as well faraway, among which Western Armenia, Vaspourakan and Van.Everywhere he went he conversed with the intellects as well as the peasant farmer trying to instill in them the need for awakening and a "revolution", be it against the ignorant ecclesia or the oppressive overlords, turks, Kurds and others. He wrote about Aghthamar and the Lake Van... 1. The Lake of Van (1) 2. Thou and I 3. The Lake of Van (2) ՁԱՅՆ ՏՈՒՐ, ՈՎ ԾՈՎԱԿ... Րաֆֆի 1835-1888 Ամեն տեղ տիրած խորին լռություն. Կարծես թե մեռած լինի բնություն: Նստած սգավոր, պանդուխտ միայնակ, Ո՜հ, քե´զ եմ տեսնում, ով փայլուն լուսնյակ: Աշխարհի սկզբից դու մինչ ի վախճան, Երկնակամարով առնում ես շրջան. Ո՜հ, դու տեսե՞լ ես հայ ազգ բարեփառ, Արդյոք տեսնում ես նորա ցավ անճար: Արդյոք դո՞ւ ևս խղճալուս նման, Տեսած Հայաստան ժանտ ոտքի կոխան, Թափում ես աչքից աղի կաթիլներ, Եւ սրտիդ միջում ցցվում են նետեր: Քա´ր է քո սիրտը, և խիղճըդ մեռած, Քանի՞ արյուններ, քանի՞ կոտորած Տեսար, լռեցիր և դարձյալ պայծառ, Հայ երկրի վերա կապում ես կամար: __ Ձա´յն տուր, ով ծովակ, ինչո՞ւ լռում ես, Ողբակից լինել չկամի՞ս դժբախտիս: Շարժեցե´ք, զեփյուռք, ալիքը վետ-վետ. Խառնեք արտասուքս այս ջրերիս հետ: Հայաստանի մեջ անցքերին վկա, Սկզբից մինչ այժմ, խնդրեմ ինձ ասա´. Մի՞թե միշտ այսպես կըմնա Հայաստան Փըշալից անապատ, երբեմն բուրաստան: Մի՞թե միշտ այդպես ազգը խղճալի, Կըլինի ծառա օտար իշխանի, Մի՞թե Աստուծո աթոռի մոտին Անարժան է հայն և հայի որդին: Արդյո´ք գալու է մի օր, ժամանակ, Տեսնել Մասիսի գլխին մի դրոշակ, Եվ ամեն կողմից պանդուխտ հայ ազգիք, Դիմել դեպ յուրյանց սիրուն հայրենիք: Դժվա´ր այդ. միայն, Տեսուչըդ վերին, կենդանացրու հայության ոգին, Ծագի´ր նոցա դու քո լույս գիտության, Որով իբր էակ նոքա բանական, Կճանչեն մարդուս կյանքի խորհուրդը, Կըլինեն գործովք տիրոջ փառաբան: __ Հանկա´րծ ծովակի երեսին մի լույս. Ջրից դուրս եկավ նազելի մի կույս, Մի ձեռնում ուներ նա վառած լապտեր, Իսկ մյուսում՝ քընար փայլուն փըղոսկեր: Արդյոք հուրի՞ էր, հրեշտակ աննշան,- Ո՞չ, հայ մուզաների տիպ համանման: - Հայոց ճակատագիրը կարդա´, ով մուզա, Ներկա և գալոց գուշակիր, ասա´: (Ասաց երկնային այն ոգի քաղցրիկ): - Ավետիք տամ քե´զ, նժդեհ պատանի. Սրբի´ր աչքերից արտասուքդ աղի: Կըգան նոր օրեր, օրեր երջանիկ,- Երբ Տիրոջ կամքը, ազատ ու արդար Կը թագավորե – կրկին ոսկեդար: - Հայոց մուզայքը կզարթնուն կրկին. Հայոց պառնասը կը ծաղկի վերստին, Եվ Ապողոնյան կառքը լուսարար, Կըբոլորե Հայոց թուխ երկնակամար: -Մենք ևս քո պես, - երբ խորին գիշեր Պատեց Հայաստան, - սգավոր օրեր Շատ ենք անցուցել. այժմ սիրելի, Մենք ևս Հաշտության ստացանք ձիթենի: Սիրեցե´ք քնարի լարերը ժանգոտ. Ելե´ք Հայաստան երգով եռանդոտ, Զարթեցրեք Հայոց աշխույժը մեռած, Լցվեցավ կամքը, հասավ ժամանակ, Օրը կըբացվի, - ահա´ Արուսյակ Ձեզ հայտնի նշան, ասում է Աստված: Կրկին մթնացավ: Չքացավ պատկերը: Երկար ժամանակ դյութական ձայնը Լըսվում էր խառն ալիքների հետ, Օդին տիրել էր բուրումն հոտավետ: Ախորժելի՜ լուր, ավետիք քաղցրիկ, Որպեսզի՜ հըրճվանք. մուզայդ գեղեցիկ, Ասա մեզ, մեկնիր, արդյոք հնարի՞ն Մի մեռած մարմնի զարթնող վերստին... --- See translations by Alice Stone Blackwell.** 1. THE LAKE OF VAN (1) SPEAK, O lake ! why are thy waters silent ? Wilt thou not lament with luckless me ? Move, ye zephyrs, move the rippling wavelets With this lake my tears shall mingled be. Tell me, lake, — for thou hast been a witness Of our history from the earliest day, — Shall Armenia, that was once a garden, Always be a thorny desert gray ? Shall our hapless fatherland forever By a foreign master be down-trod ? Are the Armenians and their sons unworthy, Judged before the righteous throne of God ? Is a glad day coming, when a banner Shall on Ararat its folds expand, And from every side Armenian pilgrims Hasten to their beauteous fatherland ? 2. THOU AND I WOULD I were the lake, so blue and calm, And thou, fair maiden, with reluctant pride, Wouldst see thy picture, delicate and faint, Thy sacred image, in my depths abide. Or would that on the shore a willow grew, And thou mightst lean on it, and the frail tree Might let thee fall into the lake, and there Sway with its waters everlastingly ! I would I were the forest, dark and vast, And that thou there mightst come to muse alone, And, ere I knew it, I might overhear What thy lips murmur in an undertone. Or would that thou mightst sit beneath a tree, Singing a pure, sweet song; and leaf and bough, With admiration trembling, would descend And form a coronal to wreathe thy brow. I would I were the face of the dark sky, That so from heaven I might shake down on thee A multitude of stars, as ’t were my tears; Ah, do not tread upon them scornfully! Would I the writer were, and thou the theme ! Would thou affection wert, and I the heart! I the bouquet, and thou its silken string; When thou art loosed, the flowers will fall apart. Oh, would I were a lover of sweet song, And thou my lyre, angel for whom I pine ! And that thy chords beneath my unskilled hands Might vibrate till thy heart responds to mine ! 3. THE LAKE OF VAN (2) DEEP silence everywhere—a hush profound! One might imagine nature to be dead. Sitting here mournfully, a pilgrim lone, O brilliant moon, I see thee overhead. Since the beginning of the world and time, Moon, thou hast run thy course. Oh, hast thou seen The poor Armenians, once so fortunate, And dost thou now behold their sufferings keen? I wonder if thou too, like me, O moon, Seeing Armenia ’neath barbarian feet, Dost shed salt tears of grief and bitterness, And in thy heart do piercing arrows meet? Thy heart is like a rock, thy conscience dead. How many massacres have met thine eye, How many a carnage! yet thou buildest now Again a bright arch o’er Armenia’s sky. Wherefore this silence? Speak to me, O lake! Wilt thou not weep with me, whose heart is rent? O breezes, stir the waves to billows high, And with these waters let my tears be blent! From the beginning all things thou hast seen That in Armenia happened. Tell us, pray, Whether Armenia, once a garden fair, Shall always be a thorny desert gray? Oh, can it be, our nation, full of woe, Shall ’neath a foreign prince’s sway lie prone? Oh, can it be, the Armenians and their sons Are found unworthy before God’s high throne? Will a day come when from Mt. Ararat A banner shall be seen, by breezes fanned, And when Armenian pilgrims everywhere Shall start for their beloved fatherland? ’Tis hard, O Heavenly Ruler! but inspire Their souls, and let Thy light of knowledge flame O’er them, to show them what is human life— They by their works shall glorify Thy name! Upon the lake there shone a sudden light; A graceful maid rose from the waters there; A lighted lantern in one hand she bore, In one a shining lyre of ivory fair. Was she some nymph, some peerless angel? Nay, A matchless fair Armenian Muse was she. Muse, read the fate of the Armenians! The present and the future tell to me! That sweet celestial spirit spoke: “Good news I bring to thee, young pilgrim! Dry thine eyes. New, happy days shall come; when reigns God’s will Freely, the Golden Age again shall rise. “Armenia’s Muses will awake again, And her Parnassus blossom gloriously; The car of Phoebus, shedding light abroad, Shall circle round Armenia’s gloomy sky. “We too, like thee, passed many mournful days, When a dark night, that seemed it ne’er would cease, Enwrapped Armenia; and we too, dear youth, Have now received the olive branch of peace. “Wipe thy lyre’s rusted strings with joy to-day, Go to Armenia with an ardent song! Awake the zeal of the Armenians, Their zeal benumbed in lethargy so long. “The time has come, the time so long desired; Fulfilled is now the old prophetic word; The day will dawn; behold the morning star, A sign made visible—thus saith the Lord!” Then darkness fell, the figure disappeared; But long was heard the voice of sweetness rare, Mixed with the murmur of the lapping waves, And aromatic fragrance filled the air. O happy news! O tidings glad and sweet! What joy, fair Muse, for sad and sorrowing men! Tell us, reveal if it be possible For a dead corpse to wake and live again! ** Alice Stone Blackwell. Aside of incidental I knew very little about her. Perhaps a whole thread about her.? We can see her in the Hanragitaran vol 2 ,pg 453 as “Բլեքուել”. Below we see that she collaborated with a certain Ohannes Chatschumian. I have no idea who he is or how his surname was spelled. http://armenianhouse.org/blackwell/biography-en.html

I have no idea who or what Harout pambukji-oghli-ian is, neither do I want to know. Only if our wise old senior friends would post samples of real Armenian Music . Not Pamboukji, Katirji, Dinkji and Baghdadli- oghlu-ians.

CAMEL DROPPINGS and CAMEL JOCKEYS http://www.armenianweekly.com/2012/01/06/a-story-about-the-magi-in-armenia/ This so called theologian Rev. Dr. George Leylegian better stick to his calling of Religion and Theology rather than hide behind the curtain of Mythology. Go back to his cloister and perfect the art of onanism. How did he earn his PHD, doctor of phallacy? Who bestwed him with a PHD, proffesor einstein/comedistein? Talk about the Armenian religion of today than tell us Sunday School fables intended for 3 year olds. Like what does “Ter Voghormia” or “Ee Verin Yerusaghem” means? Just like that stupid docu? “From Ararat to Zion”! Where is Ararat and a thousand miles away zion, Yeah, yeah we know Mount Sinai, or is it the Mountain of Moses/Musaneri Ler? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aN1g-AnS4I http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=38454&pid=287642&st=0entry287642 Note the so called Christmas Carol where they sing “We three Kings of Orient are”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJxBlJFjOU4 Like those camel jockeys were Armenian, and they traveled to Armenia? What happened to their astrological star guided compass ! Did they not have GPS? Was the Satellite (star) System down? Did they trade their camels for esheks? How come they traveled north instead of east to their home in Persia? Of course, we know they were men who hate to ask for directions. Yes, some may take us for esheks to believe such fables. http://thewritersguidetoepublishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/We-three-kings-for-website1.jpg One would only wish that the likes of him would talk about religion and theology of today instead of delving into mythology’. What will this Rev. Dr. Rev. Dr. George A. Leylegian write next? ** That ԹաթեոսTateos/Thaddeus Բարթողոմեոս Bartholomew ԱբիսողոմAbshalom (Hi Hakob Baronian) were Armenian? That they were lost in their way back to Assyria and ended in Armenian? He may also tell us that Գրիգոր Բարթեւ Gregor Partev, just as Sahak Partev w ere also Armenian.. Above all, this Rev. Dr. could delve into religion, specially the religion of today instead of wasting all his half dozen PHD-s in MYTHOLOGY. Can we hear him talk about Religion-Christianity of today, be they in the Homeland and the Diaspora? No, no. It is not wearing a necklace with a 6 inch cross, it is not knowing how to make the sign of cross on one’s chest, neither it is going to church once a year to offer a “matagh”.Or, for that matter, going t o church three times in one’ lifetime, christening, wedding and funeral. In the first case one cannot understand, in the second no one cares and in the third , dead as a doornail one cannot hear or see.. http://www.achikian.com/images/jewelry/LargeArmenianCross.jpg http://www.achikian.com/images/jewelry/LargeArmenianCross.jpg **Before anything he should consider to defurkify his surname “leyleg’=stork”, instead adopt a surname like ‘”ARAGIL-ian” .At times “leyleg” is used in its pejorative sense meaning bow/long-legged. Some use it to mean those who cannot walk straight as in Cerebral Palsy-“STUPID”. Mythology is very entertaining for three year olds., like when Noah built a thousand meter long ark to include all the creatures, from Aardvarks to Zebras , but one has to know the line between “mythology/religion” and “history”. We will see what ՄՈԳ Magus/Magi really means. Hi Merlin the Magician, Magus, ՄՈԳ!! http://www.billpalmer.com/merlin2.jpg

Thank you Yervant for your kind indulgence and prompt response merging the both topics. There will be more little known facts about Raffi. ---- I thought I was the first to call Raffi a Prophet. In a way I was. See #1 above., as at time I had not heard anyone else call him so. That is until I saw the book “RAFFI, the Prophet from Payajuk” by Murad Meneshian., where we see that over a hundred years ago his friends, soul mates and admirers , the likes of Patkanian, Nalbandian, Shirvanzade, even Khrimian Hayrik had already labeled him a “PROPHET”. Seems like me and Murad have similar points of view and thought. There may be a “method(reason) to the madness“. A magnificent photo; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Raffi_%28poet%29.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Raffi_%28poet%29.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffi_(novelist) See also this. Thank you Ashot. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showforum=87 As much as Raffi was admired by his peers and adored by his readers, he was also severely persecuted, censored and boycotted by the powers to be of the time, be they religious or secular, so much so that he died in abject poverty at the “ripe old age” of 53. Some of our fiends here are already as old , if not older.** See highlight below. http://www.armenianweekly.com/2010/10/29/book-of-the-week-%E2%80%98raffi-the-prophet-from-payajuk%E2%80%99/ Speaking of prophets, see what Jesus said; **See our friend Louise at the youthful age of 87.

See #14 above. Step right in. Comedy tonight. That clown kakajoghlu lays an even bigger egg. Keep it up until you tear your rectal muscles. http://news.am/eng/news/88427.html What an idiot! He is fit to be tied. WHAT A BLITHERING IDIOT!!! He excels even our own house historian-schmistorians. He does not even know that the Mamkonyans are Chinese and the Rshtounis are either Arabs or hryas, just like the Bagratunis. . He should ask our house “historians” , aka village idiots about the matter. Does he mean that as long as there is EVEN ONE Armenian left in furkey or anywhere else, be they covet or overt, then it was not a genocide? ** How bout all the Armenians with family names like “halajian” or “kurdoghluian“? Search and see. BTW. The headline of the above News-AM article reads- Was it meant to be "live"? I doubt if it was meant to be "leave/left/remain". Did someone type" leev" to mean "live" and that stupid spellcheck corrected it to "leave"? See #50 above."Obama/Osama/Ofama". Also see this- http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15269&pid=222306&st=20entry222306

MYTHOLOGY v RELIGION The Three Magi Երեք Մոգերը According to the below there actually were four magi. Is not the word “մոգ/magus” a swear word in the Armenian? Some may deem my choice of posting the following article here as an affront and sacrilege.

Buy them at bottom prices at this dept. store in ankakara. http://reformnow.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/outhouse.jpg http://reformnow.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/outhouse.jpg Once again they have spoken out of their…. http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l638/tbs4/zzfun/birthday/Funny-Birthday-Cards-Old-Fart.jpg http://media.panarmenian.net/media/issue/87956/photo/87956.jpg http://media.panarmenian.net/media/issue/87956/photo/87956.jpg

As promised, after a long silence here it is.I had written thebelow some time ago. --- ԼԱ ԼՒԱՐ, ԼԱԼՈՒԱՐ, ԼԱԼՎԱՐ ,LALVAR- LALWAR There is very precious little about it and the origin of the name. Լաւլար Լավլար Լաուար/ Lalwar/Lavlar? Զորն ասեմ, Զորն խօստուանեմ? What shall I say, which shall I confess? ԼԱԼԸՍ Է ԳԱԼԻՍ :msncry: ---- You know me. I must constantly complain That heap of waste-paper known as SAE-Hanragitaran has only 4 lines about the subject half of which is commie propaganda. They should burn it and use to heat the homes in winter. Most of it is direct translation from russky, and the other half is dedicated to the likes of “mehmet alioghlu, party member since 1918...” What happened? They promised to edit and republish it, remove all those “mehmets and ali-s”, and expand the Armenian subjects. Are we waiting for the time when once again Yerevan becomes a tatar town? Remember that that clown heydar aliev to which a whole half page is dedicated was born in a one time Armenian territory Nakhjavan. --- Seems like before the region was named Lalwar, before the furkish “alaverdi” and the Greek Manes. Above we see that at one time the region was named Lalwar/Lalvar/Լալուար. In fact “Lalwar” is a mountain range. You may not see it here. There is a village named Lalwar. http://www.armsite.com/maps/ It is directly north of Bagratashen, at the northernmost corner of the Lori Region. http://www.armsite.com/maps/mshow.phtml?when=now&slide=2 As always, there has been an opposition by the natives to disrupt their “peaceful coexistence with their perso-furkish” heritage. See the news items below. Sorry, there are no English versions. We can translate the key passages if need be. And pardon me for the length of them. I could not decide how to shorten them http://www.armradio.am/arm/news/?part=soc&id=22836 http://old.hetq.am/am/society/alaverdi-42/

ԱՐԱՄԱԶԴԻ ՆԵՂՈՒՑ Strait of Homuz?? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/27/iran-warns-it-might-close-hormuz-strait-stop-oil-if-sanctioned/ Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/27/iran-warns-it-might-close-hormuz-strait-stop-oil-if-sanctioned/#ixzz1iQCEF6Rk ---- This blew me away. I saw in another site, written by a friend of ours; ** Strait of Hormuz http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/hormuz.gif http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/hormuz.gif Before we get to the following , let us see what Martiros Kavookjian says in his book Armenia and Subartu. In the Armenian version pg. 180- http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17712 ==== http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15290&st=0&p=186953&hl=aramazd&fromsearch=1entry186953