LSergiu

I am sorry as I am throwing this post into the conversation out of the blue but I cannot abtain myself anymore. This is a little confusing, at best. Armenians need justifications to retake their own ancestral territories, and to create a buffer zone, again created from more Armenian territory? Justifications? Please, look. Please "learn" from the cancer that shares a border with you. They occupied the territory of a sovereign nation and they didn't gave a damn about that I(nternational) C(ommunity). Or the IC didn't gave a damn about their occupation? Does a t*rk's life has a greater value than that of an Armenian? Does it? It looks like it does, and indirectly, Armenians confirm this. Why you should always behave like the losing side? Aren't you tired of that? No negotiations. No centimeter of land. Your brothers, fathers, sons fought for every square inch of land (did they not?), an still, there is the shocking thought of giving that land back, for what? For "friendly" neighbour relations? Have you forgotten so quickly to whom you share a border with? Animals don't understand reason. Respect is reserved for friends. Do you have friends? Then keep it for them, otherwise keep it for yourself, for your family. Those animals want to have "friendly relations" only if you are resting under 2 meters of dirt. History keeps repeating itself... The tatar animals will not stop. Those animals (act, behave, "think") should be satisfied as Armenia is not claiming her rightfull land that stretches till the Caspian Sea. Or maybe it should. Armenia will renounce her claims on Baku when Van will be a popular destination in Armenia. If the infected bird managed to maintain her occupation of the beautiful Greek island, then why wouldn't Armenia be able to maintain what is her rightful territory? You have a powerfull diaspora, and you need it as your own political leaders are forgetting their purpose. Use it wisely. You have arrived this far... please, in the name of reason, do not give up, do not let the land that is soaked in Armenian blood be so easily discarded. If you want Ani, claim Sebaste, if you want Sebaste claim Nicomidea... Remind your neighbours that an "azeri" nation did not exist before WWI... Muriti in picioare? Sau traiti in genunchi? Do you prefer to die on your feet? Or live on your knees?

As the saying goes: "Մէկ գիժ քար գցեց հորը, քառասուն խելօք չկարողացան հանել"

My previous post was intended as an allusion to the t*rkish megalomania and anti-Armenian propaganda; also when reffering to history there is no such term as a "Christian t*rk" but rather t*rkified Christians. I thought those were pretty clear. @neko Please do abstain yourself from dirtying these threads with off-topic posts and generalisations that betray your aloofness and ignorance. They only strenghten what I say about you. And just FYI we Romanians don't share your hobbies, the ones you just revealed. And sorry that I also do not share your knowledge about the t*rkish "cradle of civilisation" . I guess you are an 'expert' in alternative history. Also the arguments you bring to support your point of view, especially the ones in this thread are...very... meaningful, or rather crappy-full. As seen above there are plenty of t*rkish t*rks ready to return the t*urkish a$$-kissing attitude that you so proudly expose. A t*rk supporting a t*rk.

Of course it's not. That is probably because...Armenians are just mislead turks who were possessed by the spirits of the extinct Armenians in thinking that they are...well...Armenians. What will be the next great discovery? The churches from Ani were built by turks when they were buddhists and "technically" they were originally conceived as mosques when turks were Christians. Of course, this part of history is secretly covered by the malefic 'Armenian Council' bent on world domination. I really wonder what kind of sick society could produce an excrement such as this 'neko' bent on pi$$ing in all decent threads.

Then you are certainly living in the future, or rather your own version of future.

The asterisks were meant to prevent infecting this forum with t*rkish words. And those who lost Constantionple will someday reclaim it. We all have lost it. We all will reclaim it.

The turk/tatars are doing everything in their power to trivialize the meaning of the word genocide. So, when a turk/tatar dies or if someone takes a p*ss on a turk/tatar "building" we all hear tales about poor "unarmed", "defenseless","inocent" turks/tatars that were "genocided".

Don't worry, because the biggest harm has already been done to the city of Constantinople. It's already occupied/inhabited by turks. No amount of oil tankers could possibly do more harm than that.

Obviously it was. The Crusades were an important help for the Orthodox Christians at the beginning, but after a time they had begun to outlive their usefulness and were doing more harm than good. You either: 1.) Don't have Basic English training and thus don't know the meaning of some of the words and verbal constructions you employ. 2.) Are living in "neko world". When taken into account your accusation of certain individuals living in "their own fantasy world", I can say that they(we) are not like you. "The thief thinks that all are like himself." 3.) Are oblivious to the past and current situation in the land between the Aegean Sea and the Caspian lake. 4.) All the above. Are you trying to raise awarness of the Western-European double standards that continue to a lesser extent today? The English, at least at the political level are by far the most capable in sacrificing fellow Christians to further their own selfish interests. Also your distortion of my original text clearly shows the general blakout condition in which you reside. You are in complete darkness. Dark as in the "Dark Ages". Your distortion has no validity whatsoever, Armenians didn't "Crusade" in Western Europe, it was the other way around. Առաջ մտածիր, յետոյ խոսիր. First think, then speak. But you are more like a madman that claims to be borned on Mars. There is no point in proving him wrong. It is rather amazing how the likes of that Dominican monk, after just passing through the "highly progressive" period known as the Dark Ages will later start another "highly progressive" period known as the Inquisition. His pamphlet appears more like an anecdote to draw the attention of his king that Armenians too, know how to treat court politics, not only the Europeans. There is no thing that the Armenians did, are doing, or will do that can even come close to the betrayal of the West towards their Orthodox "brothers" that culminated with the sack of Constantinople in the 13th of April, 1204. That betrayal still continues even today under a mask of hypocrisy. This perfectly justifies my question "Did Armenians learned from their past mistakes?". Trust is for those who earn it. Another proof of your ignorant stupidy that manifests itself in out-of-place quotes. What is the purpose of this quote? Did the Armenians taught Western-Europeans how to backstabb each-others? I am afraid they already knew that. They had their share of that "experience". The disgusting feature found in Armenian court politics was present in all over the known world at that time. You are doing nothing else but throwing with dirt at Armenian History. You behave like one of those turks that seeks to "prove" that Armenians are the only responsable for the Genocide commited against them. I pity you and the ignorance in which you live. The rest of your comments are irrelevant to the current dicussion and only prove that altough you have nothing to say you keep saying it. I can quote from the Scottish Academic Press too. But I would rather quote when necessary.

It would be very inspiring if the winner(s) of the contest decide to include the slogan "The Armenians only salvation lies in their unity" in their work of art. Especially since the monument will be "not far from the city center".

Actually, no. Of what use could have they been to the Armenians when their main concern was not fighting for the Christian faith but fighting for their own interests and "glory" (money and power). Most of the Western Crusaders were more busy backstabbing each other and betraying Orthodox Christians than acting in unison against a common enemy. History stands proof. History helps us to learn from our past mistakes. Did Armenians learned from their past mistakes? The statement above is still valid, only the Pope is not so keen in bothering us so often. If it weren't for the divided nature of the Orthodox Church (7 Christmases, 8 Easters and 9 different calendars etc) we, Orthodox Christians could ask for the same. Actually, we are offering them the chance to join us, only that with soo many offers, the "poor" Catholics have a lot of trouble deciding who are the "real" us. Is the Orthodox Clergy so busy with their prayers that they cannot see this abyss that is separating Orthodox Churches from one another? Exactly! What's the point in creating something when you don't have the means to protect it? The process of making crosses and Khachkars (figuratively speaking) needs not to be stopped, the focus however, should be in making crosses with a hilt.

Arpa, your previous statement regarding the wrong-placement of this article is, at the very least, justifiable. "Articles" like this do not deserve to be placed in other threads other than humor-related ones. I consider commenting on such garbage as time-consuming and useless. Nevertheless... Often ignored, the Balkan turks were the authors of an enormous social strife among the nations of the balkans that were subjected, repeatedly, to a policy of turkification and islamization that had various stages of intensity. This policy planted the seeds of war between those individuals (widely known as traitors) who embraced islam and the turkish "culture", and the oppresed majority that, altough endured unspoken humiliation and cruelty, has chosen to maintain (defend) their original culture and Christian religion. When the decimated nations of the Balkans found a chance to take revenge for several centuries of existence as nothing more than a piece of s#it they have used that chance. Those turks, as all other humans (if you consider them as such) have to assume responsability for their past deeds. If a group of turkish hysterical historians want to "justify" the Armenian Genocide by showing the "attrocities" commited against the Balkan turks (another artificial term), they should further analyse the causes of that "ethnic cleansing campaign" against the above mentioned turks. But they (turks) cannot see the "bigger picture" because by doing that they all come to the same conclusion: the turkish (former and actual) presence in the Balkans and Middle East was/is the root of all evil. They have their hands in every conflict from the Adriatic Sea to the Caspian Lake since they began to corrupt the above mentioned territories with their presence. Not a pleasant history, if I do say so myself. Nowadays for example, the turkish pockets can "buy" history equivalent of several hundreds of "Western academicians" If we take turkish "sources" as reliable we would come to the conclusion that for every Armenian that lived in the former Ottoman Empire there were ten times that number of muslim turks killed (by Armenians). The above quote is equivalent with "...estimated that 3-4 millions muslim turks were killed in three cities alone."

@zurd-erer Listen here turk. This is the last post in which I will take notice of your presence. From this point on I will reffer to your presence as a "null presence" (unavailable, unassigned, unknown, or inapplicable) First. I am quit fed up with turks like you who employ words without knowing their meaning. Every anti-turk person is considered a fascist. There is no nation on this goddam world that is more fascist than your "nation". If you want to know how a fascist behaves, take a look at your fellow citizens. Evidence is all around you. I will cease to "discuss" with you such things because you lack the ability to comprehend them and that is like talking to a wall. May all the walls excuse me from comparing them with an idiotic turk. You have proven yourself to be one. Second. I am fed up with turks like you who defend the ever unarmed bosnians/turks from all over the world. If there is ever an incident involving turks/tatars/bosnians they are always, and I mean always, unarmed. Have you even been to Bosnia to see what your "unarmed" bosnians did to the Serbian population? The bosnians started the almost endless wave of violence against the serbian population, but when they realise that by playing with fire you might actually burn, we begin to hear tales abut "poor unarmed little bosnians". If you seed war you will reap war. You turk/tatar/bosnians seem unable to understand that. What, for God's sake are they (we) supposed to do in the face of savage warmonger barbarians who want to bash your skull to the nearest wall just because you are different? Should they (we) turn the other cheek? They(we) have run out of cheeks. Even if we are Christians, that doesn't mean we should let other nations with less moral values slaughter us and do nothing about it. How can we practice our faith in the face of endless violence? And when we defend ourselves, we are the aggressors! This is a twisted world in which we live in. The same happened in tatarland, East of Armenia. The tatars brutally slaughtered Armenians who were gathering in peacefull demonstrations all over tatarland. But when Armenians show those tatars that they aren't some sheeps who wait patiently to be slaughtered we all hear tales about the "unarmed poor little tatars" (see Karabakh). I am fed up this kind of pro-turkish propaganda. If you seed war you will reap war Turks have been planting the seeds of war from over a millenia so they will have a rich "harvest". Admit your mistakes and take responsability for them! This is the least you can do, but you seem incapable of doing it. Third. My Serbian friend is from Vojvodina. That's where most of the Serbian population (that has had conflicts with turkish allies in the past) was relocated. Unlike you,h e is very documented about the attrocities commited against the Serbian population before the war began. He is not a cetnik and you don't even know what beeing a "cetnik" means in the first place. Because bosnians were busy butchering Serbians in the past, they shouldn't be surprised when they are "awarded" for their bloodlust. One last thing.Why do you think the word "turk" is an insult? Because this reflects their past barbaric behaviour. We have a million reasons for hating your barbaric civilisation. And you still continue to give us further reasons. This is very important. So don't be surprised when you are insulted because we have strong arguments to back up our every word. Something you aren't able to do. This explains the fabrication of history which keeps every turk occupied these days. You need arguments to, but when they don't exist you "buy" them. @neko Actually, he was reffering to you. Your past posts qualify you as one.

Thank you Edward. These are the exact words of my Serbian friend that I have translated according to his own directions. Нема сврхе расправљати се са турчином зато што нико од вас неће постићи ништа. Тиме само губиш своје време. Турчин је само турчин,шта ту да се каже. Можеш да се расправљаш са њим а ништа постићи тиме.

Dear GevorgP, I am writing this post from the computer of a Serbian friend of mine. He has the following message for you: "Don't argue with a turk because neither of you will get something in the process. You are just wasting your time. A turk is just a turk. You can argue with him for a long time. That won't change anything". Seeing as this zurderer is nothing but the "forum's idiot" you would do well to avoid wasting your time with him.