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hmmm basicslly, it is just a conflict between the term "aryan" and "indo-european". both meaning the same thing. according to what you wrote, "aryan" is in disuse so not to be confused with the white supremacist meaning for the word. were armenians blonder and whiter before? maybe, i never travelled back in time to be sure. but in my opinion it is quite possible. in armenia, most people have darker white complexions, but once in a while, you notice someone (pure armenian) with golden blond hair, white skin and sometimes blue eyes. i know many white blond armenians, such as myself while im at it one way to know how people were in the past is to look at ancient art and so on. many medieval armenian paintings show armenians with light skin and (though not really blond) but say light brown hair. same story with the greeks. alexandre the great is suposed to be blond. but what ever these are all hypotheses and it does'nt really change anything to armenia's situation here.

right, aryan is a set of indo-european related langages, but there is an ethnic group type called "aryan", or so i read. there is not one type of aryan, hitlerian or not, it matters not. point being, if you believe in it good for you, if it gives you a reason to defend your country, or else, it is purely negative.

you are refering to surprise tactics what we are refering to is treatury. for example, when japan attacked pearl harbour without declaring war, was it simply a brilliant surprise tactic? or was it twisted treatury?

point being: don't vote liberal... vote LIBERTARIAN LOL

actually western armenia does have a flag, it looks almost exactly like the russian flag though

skhara and error 404 are right well yes, armenians are aryans, obviously not in the way skinheads see aryans. see, there is a difference between, (white-aryan) nationalism, and white supremacy. you can be proud of being, white, or aryan, or armenian, or what ever, while still respecting other races and nationalities. see, many people believe that the aryan race is an invention by 19th century europeans. this is not totally true, the aryan race originally comes from what is now pakistan. indo peoples include persians, afgans, tajiks. european aryans include celts, nordic-germanics, armenians, hellenics, slavs and georgians. that is why it's called the Indo-European race as opposed to the aryan race (mostly for political correctness) armenians are usually considered as european, or indo-european ethnically, but that means nothing. anyways, the europeans of the 19th century added a sense of supremacy to the aryan race to which the belonged to justify colonialism. (it would make sense for the civilized white superior man to control the inferior black mean, or what ever, to teach him) so the lesson here is that it is the sense of superiority added to the white race that is wrong. if i look at my skin, it is white, my hair is blond. i live in canada and you wouldn't destinguish me from an anglo-saxon canadian, yet im still armenian. point is, armenians are white aryans, but only because they just so happen to be. if you want to be proud of it, so be it, but that does not mean you must impose yourself as a so called 'superior' to non-aryans. yet aryan is also an identity as well as a race, it is a way to share with other cultures of your root race. and at the same time, since as it was mentionned, races and ethnicities always mix, there isn't that much purity, even among armenians, so the knowledge of an aryan bond keeps all armenians and other aryans together, being the blondest whitest armenian to the darkest armenian. semetics, caucasiods and negroid( no, im not racist, that really is the term for the black race..i read it in some essay on the matter) are all equal humans. armenians are not physically superior to any race. there is a fine line between armenian patriotism, white aryan nationalism, and aryan supremacy. anyways i hope this all makes sense. obviously killing people because of what they look like is evil, like the armenians in russia who get killed every so often because they are mistaken for tatars or chechens (as insulting as it is). and finally about the jews, since this was the topic: look, there are hardly any jews in armenia at all, and the jews started the genocide? ffff what ever....you don't have to like them, but that does not mean you must atribute falsities to them.

and harper

hmm, fedaye and i are not the same person, why do you keep suspecting that i am some sort of turk with hundreds of secret aliases trying to reep havoc? i have nothing against a bunch of colours garmir gapuit narchakuin. but what i was saying is that it looks too much like any dumb republican flag, when left just like that, but what ever, i have nothing agains the flag as it is. once again, the flag i created was a joke, and i specified it in the other post

yes true that, too bad that the only people in europe who believe in traditional christian and european value are fascists, protectionists, and skins.

u kidding me? in what way am i reinforcing his point. im angry at him for mocking our victories. I hate people that sit on their asses and critisize. 50% of the american population didnt vote...and then these same idiots complain. GO VOTE, then complain. its the same thing as arpa. who cares about population? those 3000 are MILITARY VICTORIES. not genocide. turks have this and that...but at the cost of the extinction of all kinds of different races. theres so much blood on turkeys hands time wont wash away...

anahid, the debate is much more complicated then that, yet you are right in some ways, same with irlandahay. there has never been a huge animossity between franco and anglo canadians till the 60s, here is the real reason: when the confederation was founded, frenchcanadians had a guarenteed number of seats in parliament to ensure that they were well represented. most quebecers were fervant canadian federalists and did not think twice before fighting for King and Empire, Crown and Country in 4 overseas wars. in 1912, french canadian soldiers fought back the american invaders in order to protect a british colony. french canadians, up to the 60s were very much like armenians. they were highly religious, hardworking, moralistic and so on. one thing was that the church was to omnipresent, and as a result people began to resent it, especially the churches stance on abortion. now, for 350 years, the catholic church is what kept french canadians together, it's what defined them, once they got rid of that, they had nothing left. what did they do? turned to false nationalism, and the benevolent [socialist] state. the went from spiritual guidance to state guidance. so since there was no more strong christian bond, they needed a new way to preserve their culture, which they just completed perversing. this new method was seperatism, or souveraineté association. *just one thing to add, when the state becomes incharge of protecting your roots and culture, that is when you lose it [and heritage]* this is exactly what the frenchcanadians did for 400 years, the catholic church has managed to keep the french language alive in canada, in 40 years since this new nationalism, we are losing it, and we must comeup with Loi 101s to protect it from the "anglo wave" (which btw has existed in north america as long as the french and yet the french language is still here.) the part about anglocanadians being racist is true, but the racism was never very big and now no longer exists so that is the story of franko-nationalist perversion in a nutshell now i would like to make an important correction here: QUEBEC is not a nation. QUEBECERS are a nation within canada. see, most of you did not see that political ploy by harper. he played a smart move. by québecOIS, he refers not québec, but all frenchcanadians in canada, as a people, not as a geographical location so in that sense, i think it's good. that way, anglo canadians, and francocanadians form 2 nations, under one great canadian nation, both preserve themselves and preserve eachother. this isn't a try by harper to simply gain seats in parliament. so in my opinion, calling QUEBECOIS , and not QUEBEC a nation is not a bad initiative

trust socialists? "irlandahay" Դու արդեն սոցիալիստ ես: Թաքցնող սոցիալիստ: Stephane Dion isn't a bad guy, but he is no reason to vote for canada's "poz" party. that party will do anything to gain power, and to hold it. if it suits the voters for a more right government, then they turn right (just alittlebit), and then when election comes, whooopss...look at us, we are social democrats. friends don't be fooled, only the concervatives are true and keep to their programme. armenians who live in Ville-Saint-Laurent riding (dion's) tend to vote liberal and that gets armenians nationwide to assume that he is friendly to the armenians. let us not forget who campaigned for acceptance of the armenian genocide? not the liberals, the conservatives, it is also them who brought up the law, and they didn't back down like liberal cowards when turkey threatened to cut relations and take it's troops out of the nato exercise in canada.

լիբանահայ է՞ աշչիքը: հայաստանծիի նմանում է: հայաստանծի շեշտի հետ էլ խոսում է բայց արեւմտահայէրենբարով: Բայց կիճ են աս Թուրկէրը ու Հազբոլլահ՛ն: Լիբանահայնէրը շատ արաք են խոսում ու կ՛յօդաւորեն: yes well the purest armenians are the irlandahyes lol

well, he is still armenian, trying to make a living, trying to show that he has no hard feelings. now zuruder, im sure the turkish government would have been very pissed off if one of it's ethnic turkish citizens were not allowed into any country in europe. then turkey would create a huge scandal and boycott european products and so on, you know, the usual. why would they not react here? because an ethnic turk would be allowed into azerbaijan anyways. Ազերին թուրքիո բոզ նա

not bad at all. i think armenia should change it's flag, i mean, so far, its just a bunch of colours, that's not original, or significant of armenia's past a few months ago, i was playing around on paint and i invented a new flag, it doesn't look nice, but the pattern is interesting.

well read it now patrick, so we can expand the irlanaday community

i would also like to issue a special thanks to a girl named maryam for giving me the courage and persevearence in order to complete this dictionary

obviously they do

so, for all irish armenians or irlandahyes such as myself... i have just created a new armenian dialect, this way, us irisharmenians will no-longer have to break our heads with using arevelahyeren or arvemdahayeren and barskahye, bolsahye, libanahye, ekiptahye, russiohye, hyasdantsi and so on. this new dialect is not part of the traditional arevela, gam arevmedahayeren, it is a new group called northernarmenian, or Հյուսիսայահայերեն. this great linguistic group now comprises irlandahyeren, but with help from others like me, may one day contain all sorts of other smaller dialects like (my future project) canadahyeren... now, i have created a O.1 version dictionary that contains everyday irish expressions translated or transliterated into armenian. most translations are in eastern armenian, though some are in both. the meaning of the irish expressions are also in english for those who do not support dublin rugby ass. i hope you have as much fun accepting this new dialect as i had creating it. so to all of you out there hisus bloody (ayrunot) kristos!! HOSANK i hope the link shows up irlandahyeren_dictionary.doc irlandahyeren_dictionary.doc

so, for all irish armenians or irlandahyes such as myself... i have just created a new armenian dialect, this way, us irisharmenians will no-longer have to break our heads with using arevelahyeren or arvemdahayeren and barskahye, bolsahye, libanahye, ekiptahye, russiohye, hyasdantsi and so on. this new dialect is not part of the traditional arevela, gam arevmedahayeren, it is a new group called northernarmenian, or Հյուսիսայահայերեն. this great linguistic group now comprises irlandahyeren, but with help from others like me, may one day contain all sorts of other smaller dialects like (my future project) canadahyeren... now, i have created a O.1 version dictionary that contains everyday irish expressions translated or transliterated into armenian. most translations are in eastern armenian, though some are in both. i hope you have as much fun accepting this new dialect as i had creating it. so to all of you out there hisus bloody (ayrunot) kristos!! i hope the link shows up

dro?... where are you from? aisinken, where in montreal?

interesting how you called me a nazi so many times in that post,...yet...if anyone here shows the most racially based thoughts it is not i but you... yes im armenian, and i only post under this nick i don't hate jews or Europeans or who ever you keep accusing me of. i don't believe in a mystical superior race and i am not giving any pretext as to whatever you are trying to say. i don't try to pretend to support a socialist-immigration oriented europe at all. i think you missunderstood a number of things my friend. see, it is not only jews who hide under humanitarian organisations in order to backstab armenia. everyone does no matter how semetic they are,...so in singling out jews as a perpetrator, you are showing yourself as an even greater racist then i. see, i don't dream of exterminating other races in order to create some sort of pan-Nordic race and so on and so forth. im a nationalist not a nazi. and im as pissed off at Europeans as you are. i do not believe that armenia should become some sort of vassal state to a great german nation or what ever you are accusing me of. how could i? im armenian not german and i hate external rule as it is a breach of sovereignty so why and sure you lived in europe and you find them racist against you;..no say you lived in armenia, and thousands of iranian, syrians azeris and turks began to immigrate there...how would you feel? would you not rather protect your culture? obviously to an outsider it would seem racist,..but then again, all things seem racist these days now...here is a point where you missunderstood me...the part where i spoke about stormfront right?...i guess i didn't write that part all too well, but it was intended to be a sarcastic response. he called armenians fascists and stormfront skins so i responded.. i did not intend to make it look like armenians are nazis..infact, if you read the rest properly..i explained that armenians are in no way fascists or racists.... sorry if i didn't make it clear..point being...( once again).i do not believe in superior races and racial extermination and so on..i was simply using a satyrica tone. infact, if i remember correctly, you are the one who spoke of exterminating turks and so on.... now..there is an aryan race, obviously it isn't what hitler thinks, scientists now use the term 'indo europeans' instead of aryan for fear of political reprisal since the early 20th century. indo-europeans include most european peoples (celts, germanic-nordic, slavs, hellenics and so on), armenians, georgians, persians, afgans tajiks and indians..not all of them being white. so don't say that it does not exist, it does, but it isn't a race of superhumans like the nazis thought. lastly, if i work in northern europe as you say, i would not be attacked by skinheads...why? because i have light skin and blond hair (lol)...so it's not like ill be mistaken for an arab. anyways, i don't like skins... so why don't you be silent lastly anglo-saxons have nothing to do with jews....and that in itself is a show of racial based hatred which you seem to be so strongly against

irlandahay you fool ireen was almost a complete disaster. the kill ratio was supposed to be 0 american dead and last a half hour, instead it lasted 2 days with 19 dead americans. 1000 dead somalis? who gives a damn, it isn't hard to kill little naked black people running around with aks when your the us army. now about armenia's stance on iran. if the entire world community goes against iran, obviously so will armenia. if the economic ties are good now, armenia would rather be on the winning side of the war..which they would rather be the us, to have even greater economic advantages. barskahyes are fleeing iran in large numbers to armenia as it is, so we can wish that if the war is imminant, armenia would like to protect it's people (because crazy muslims would kill all christians they see in a war against the west) basically, barskastane hayits bidi barbevi baderasme arach. armenia would surely offer it's airbases to coalition forces. azerbaijan on the other hand would be in deep shiznit if they go to war against iran, as you mentionned there are some 25 million azeris as well as turkomenis in iran, they would be victims of an angry bunch of fundamentalist iranians.

yes your girls don't work as prositutes, after all their fathers and brothers screw them enough already at home not to mention the high number of children being molested.. fun fact: turkey is by far the largest child porn consumer in the world...(look it up, it's true) hi there rumanian guy ya know, i once had a rumanian girlfriend..well...i never actually brokeup with her,..she sorta dissapeared, she might be dead..lol, who knows hmmm stormfront,...you only rant because your race does not permit you to chat on a forum reserved for enthnically pure aryan-europeans. btw, far right does not make you a fascist..the far-right is sooo diverse. anyways, for a turk to call an armenian fascist is quite bizarre. seeing as turkey is the world's largest fascistic state. damn communists all is their fault. europe is now filled with defeatists, protectionists, pacifists, socialists and communists, this is why europe is even thinking of bringing turkey into the EU. how stupid of them, seculerising themselves and then bringing in millions of muslims. our race is being invaded! armenia is the only one defending white, christian europe against millions of barbaric islamo-turks, yet these people have found a backdoor, it's called, refugee status, or 'work contract' why do you always say judeo-SAXON?...saxons are germanic not semetic. and look, i understand you hate the jews, but you attribute to them much more then they can actually do.

mm..yes probably it was attaturk who abolished the kalifate not the young turks, i was alittle confused.. now, look hellktor. i see your point, but it's not because we are armenians that we are more civilised, it is because they are turks that they are less. see, armenians should act like any sensible [aryan] human we are supposed to believe in the word of christ that says: do not do to others what you don't want them to do to you. this is not only an advanced armenian way of reasoning, but a Christian way that Muslims across the globe cannot comprehend. so why should we not want to genocide azeri-turks? because it happened to us, and we are still suffering today. why would we want anything like that to happen to any other people in the world?...look, if, when you hear in the news that some 200 poorly-built buildings collapsed in a turkish earthquake, killing thousands, and you thank god well, that's ok, but it is morally wrong, armenian or otherwise to actually want to commit genocide against another people. we are proud fighters, not wimps, i won't take part in this. one last point...see, you can hate turks all you want, but that matters not, what matters is the image we give, this is what gains us the support of the world's powers in our argument... hellektor, im glad you are a patriot, but that is no reason to be foolish, you must understand that just hurling insults at turks and just being wrestless for land and killing turks is no victory, our victories will be achieved primaraly through our famous armenian talking skills, our calmness, our resilience, being civilized, then we will use legality, and then, to insure that our legal mesures are taken seriously, we will use military force to protect what is ours. yes i completely agree with you that we have nothing to negociate, all the lands we took were our lands and we just took back what was ours.