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"Boratiesque"?!?!? lol thanks for clearing it up. I would also say that dogs don't eat dogs (shun@ shan tat chi camum) it's that eeeeeh case

If someone who calls himself armenian burns himself protesting armenian genocide what do you expect of a jew?

Karapet hamadsayn em qo het. En mardik ov vor humoric baci urish ban chtesan ed filmi mej yerani iranc. Ed mardkanc hamar shat heshta aprel es kyanqum.

Lol Edo jan, es incher es grel. Yerevi shtapel es ches hascrel imi berel. Gracid vrayov mi hat el vor ancneir hastat knkateir (hamozvac em). Edo jan yes pionerakan tshambar gnacel em rabiz erazhshtutyun chem tesel. Tshambarum pionerakan erger ein sovoracnum. Aravotyan el zham@ 7 in hraparakum orkestr@ hin razmakan qaylerg kam paterazmakan vals er nvagum erb menq marzanq einq anum. Toniri koghqin nstac nayel em poqr hasakum inchpes en lavash txum u cacr kam mijin dsaynov haykakan hayrenasirakan kam el siro masin erger mrmnjum. Bayc dranq el rabiz chein ayl maqur hin haykakan yerger ein. Hunds anogh ramik@, pamidor vatsharox Anahit@ hamozvac em eli hin haykakan erger en ergum. Isk varordner@ hin hal u mash eghac irenc magnitafonov vor mono er menak nvagum u galovken amen or pit maqreirn vor dsen haner mi erku hat rabiz kaset unein ed ein lsum. Ed piti xostovanem vor varordneri mecamasnutyun@ rabiz ein lsum. Ejmiacinci Kamo (oghormi iran, inq@ iran gusan cher hamarum) yev ayln. Piti avelacnem nayev radioov u herustatesutyamb araj erbeq rabiz cheir lsi. Che? Aveli shat classic ein talis mek el azgain erger. Stegh ka shat hstak bazhanum zhanreri bazhanum Edo jan Azgain yev Rabiz. Petq chi @ndhanracnel. Rabiz@ sksec u lav armatavorvec mer zhoghovrdi mej voch shat vaguc. U der edpes el sharunakveluya. Cavalia bayc pasta. Naxntranq bolorn el unen edpes chi? Amen mard kara siri mi qani zhanr yev chsiri mek@ kam erkus@. Yes konkret chem sirum rabiz@.

I remember my dad told me once long time ago (during the soviet time) that they started to drill for the oil I can't remember whether in kotayq (abovyan) area or in armavir (hoktemberyan) then the drill broke and 1 km long of drilling equipment was left in the hole. Then they abandoned the project.

Harut do you use lubricant when you go to work? As far as it to Tata goes you know the answer of your question so why are you asking? But since you have asked it is not ethical not to answer it. Tata is rabiz singer too although he has some non rabiz good songs.

Edo jan, nax yev araj vor zhoghovrdi hay te turk? Yete turk liovin hamadsayn em. Hayi depqum: yete hashvi arnenq asiacineri bazmutyun@ mer zhoghovrdi mej, karelia yev edpes asel. Edpesela patahum... Bayc yes karcum em Aram Xachaturyani classic erazhshtutyun@ haykakan coloritnerov vor yurorinak en irenc eutyamb, komitasi yerazhshtutyun@, Sayat Novayi siro pilisopayakan govergutyun@ yev ayl nmanorinak taghandneri gorcern u votshna mer joghovrdi tsocic durs ekel.

By the way the second one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=W6Cw9CMh0VE the title: armenchik-tatulik-gandulik has a good message in it. Almost real.

Error said: whatever gaghapar chunem chem el uzum unenam

Dems Reps same gang different names...

putting cheese on their heads P.S. ushadir karda khaskanas yete ches haskanum hayeren kgrem.

Brutos du el ?...

Harut that's not Kavali those are chukchas. Whatever it is I thnik it's original.

Edo yes el nuynchap hstak teman teghapoxeci urish tegh: http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=14827 Xndrem, sharunakeq hargel "gusani" hishatak@.

Please allow me start this topic so Aram can have his rest in peace. First of all I would like to mention that this is my personal opinion about the mugham and rabiz and I am not forcing it to anyone. And I am going to keep my mind wide open to your suggestions and critisizm. According to Mosjan mugham is originaly coming from Persia. I am not sure about that. But if even so than it must have Armenian-Aryan roots. Because Aryans on their way to east had big influance on the semi-civilized tribes in the area which is Iran now. Or it may have semitic roots. But lets live this topic to scientists. I know that the first song ever written down was of summerian origin millenias ago. I personally like mugham but a real ethnic mugham not a turkish crap. Kavali singers are professional mugham singers. They do not even live long they are dying young because they are getting throat cancer because of their professional activities. Andalusian (in Spain) ethnic songs are mugham too. Sayat Nova was singing mugham too. There are big similiarities between mugham and musical instruments. I think mugham is imitation of the musical instrument (duduk, violin etc) Violin originated from middle east, I think from Iran. The original Violin had more than 10 strings. And it could play musical notes that are not known in modern western musical notes . Supposedly those hidden notes that are not available in western musical instruments are the ones which are affecting or touching human soul (Some call those particles of music, god's voice). Same is with mugham too. Thats why many well known western musicians especially Jazz musicians are traveling to middle east or india to experience that music or songs. Even rock bands include middle eastern mughamic elements in their solo guitar part. By the way classic Jazz is like mugham too it starts together then every party (instrument) plays it's part separately then they play together again and then it finishes. So my point is that mugham imitates the instrument which is able really to touch the human soul. Some of the mughams do not even have lyrics or just few words some do have beautifull lyrics too like Sayat Nova's. MosJan was rigth mentioning that armenian church uses mugham too in it's "Sharakanner". Even in the latest western movies the touchy parts are accompanied with armenian duduk or some type of mugham. As far as it to rabiz goes. It is some type of mutation of mugham and modern music. Typical turksih style. Everything is stolen from here and there nothing is original. And the lyrics is BS.

That's what I mean too Arpa jan, bayc @nkel enq ttvi takar@ u muraba enq man galis...

Good point lets leave this thread in peace and move on to the one about rabiz. I guess everyone expressed themselves already.

Mosjan mugham@ u rabiz@ lriv tarber baner en. For instance I listen to kavali and indian music (Perm Joshua etc.) I can listen middle eastern ethnic music. Those are mugham. But Rabiz is turkish. I do not listen turkish music, I hate when armenians are talking turkish, I hate when armenians are singing turkish, I do not buy turkish clothes, I do not buy turkish food because if I do so I fill that I am contributing in the genocide denial process and I am making my enemy strong. Yes I am boykoting anything turkish. Even if I liked rabiz I won't listen to it principially. I think this topic is going to hit the point where we are going to discuss musical tastes. Then it is going to be infinite. I already expressed my opinion and I am not going to repeat it over and over. Che hayesdu? Like I said as a human beeing he was a good person and god bless his soul but he was not a musician for me.

Anushik jan bravo! He didn't only turkify armenian songs but also our generations. People claim that there is no other music for dancing during the wedding and other ceremonies. Are you kidding me? Come over I will give you tons of real armenian dance music. Enqan pareq minchev koshiknerd prcni !

What is the difference expressing our opinions here in this thread or opening a new thread about the dead man's "talent". I guess it will have the same effect at the end. Che hyesdu?

Maybe he was respected by you but he is not respected by me. Rabiz music's roots are from turkey. When someone takes the turkish music and just changes or translates the words to armenian he is not a Gusan. More, he is not an armenian for me either. I never listened to any type of rabiz music and never had respect to the singers who take the turkish music and make songs of it. Sorry but that's my opinion. Aram is dead god bless his soul I can respect him as a human but not as a armenian gusan. As far as it goes to Sayat Nova. He was one and only in his style and in his time. You cannot compare him to rabiz musician. He is a gusan. He made ethnic music and lyrics. He was not a PLAGIAT! As I said modern rabiz musicians take turkish music and make songs of it. Armenians are not the only ones who takes that crap and make money. Same is by azeris, georgians, bulgarians, yugoslavians, albanians etc. I do not think singers from those nations took the music style from Armenia or Aram. Edo jan I never listened to Aram and never danced to his songs or music either. It could be a monkey in a suite for me but not any type of rabiz shit. I appologize for the harsh words...

I hope you are kidding. If Sayat was rabiz then Sergey Parajanov is the autor of Jerry Springer show.

Gusan means azgain Yerazhshtahan in armenian. In english: Composer (for ethnic music). (Maestro probably in italian). Sayat Nova = Gusan (he made his music and lyrics) Please correct me if I am missing something in explanation.

God bless his soul. Sorry but I don't consider him as a Gusan. He is rabiz singer for me.

That part bothers me too. It is really sad that those guys fought enemy and survived in the battlefield but then they were executed in a piece time when they supposed to be praised as living legends and heroes. Hayk Bzhshkyanc (Gai) had the same fate. Despite the fact that he was a komissar. Beryai mer@...