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Ani, Precious Objects http://www.armeniangenocide.com/photos/data/500/03-05-AniPreciousObjects.jpg

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The Chronology of the Cultural Genocide Soon after the Armenian Genocide of 1915 and the successful elimination of the Armenian nation from their homeland of thousands of years, the primitive dwellers of the Empire of Pillage and Plunder targeted what was left behind by the people they had drunk all the blood of. The houses were robbed and turned into ruins in search of “treasures”. When that was “accomplished” the churches became the next logical prey. It must be noted that these were unorganized acts of vandalism, not uncommon for Turks. The first organized destruction befell none less that the jewel of Armenian medieval architecture, the city of thousand churches, our beautiful Ani. Suffice it to mention that Ani included the largest collection of almost every aspect of Armenian architecture, religious or secular. Each and every church could be viewed as a different variation of thousand years of Armenian church building. The next target was Van, the Armenian capital founded in the 9th century B.C. by the Armenian king Sarduri I. Falling in the cruel Turkish hands in 1918, the remaining people were forced out and the emptied city was completely razed. After the fall of the first Armenian republic brought about by the treacherous Bolsheviks, a part of the country as large as the present day Armenia was kindly ceded to the Turks according the treaties of Batumi and Moscow. The package included several ancient Armenian capitals: Ani, Shirakavan, Kars, Yervandashat and Bagaran where a huge number of still working churches and monasteries stood for centuries. The state-planned destruction began in the days of Ismet Inönü (1938 - 1950). During the WWII, after the initial losses of the Soviets, the Turks feared the downfall of the USSR and the resurrection of an independent Armenia that would demand the unlawfully usurped territories. Where WWI had served the purpose of the physical extermination of the Armenian nation, WWII presented itself as an opportune moment for the annihilation of their spiritual presence. The monstrosities shift to a higher gear when during the Potsdam talks in 1945, the Russians try to correct their mistake in 1920. Molotov asks for the invalidation of the Batumi and Moscow treaties, but lo! By divine intervention of the United Kingdom of the Greatest Turkish You Know What the Russian demands are rejected. Joining the NATO in 1952 makes the darlings of the Anglo-Saxons even more precious to them and grants the Turks the freedom to erase every trace of Armenian heritage in front of the indifferent eyes of the Christ killing, Zionist West.

The Diabolical Methods of Destruction The Turk is a genius when it comes to applying methods of inflicting pain, death and destruction, especially where the Armenians are concerned. The ravage of lifeless and defenseless objects is carried out through the following Turkish methodologies of ruin creation: I. Bombing the churches by the Turkish army, especially during NATO exercises. II. Demolishing the churches with conventional machinery. III. Encouraging or forcing the Kurds to destroy the churches and using the material to “build” Kurdish villages. IV. Fooling the gullible Kurds into believing that the rich Armenians, who “left”, have hidden gold and treasures under where there is the sign of the cross, Armenian inscriptions or under the pillars. The Kurds smash these in hope of finding the treasure not knowing they are in fact destroying the real treasures. V. “Restoration” of Armenian architectural heritage, especially non-religious buildings in a way that the original appearance is lost, and presenting it as Seljuk “heritage”. (And great “builders” the barbaric Seljuks were...) VI. Desecrating churches into garages, sports clubs, warehouses, barns, mosques, etc. These churches can be considered the “lucky” ones. At least they survive in some way. VII. Completely bulldozing entire cities (Van) or all the area (Ani) to make sure nothing Armenian related will ever be found. These methods don’t include the casual desecration and damage brought about by the Turks who happen to be near an Armenian church. The graffiti and bullet holes on the walls of the churches are prime examples of the level of Turkish civilization and their “respect” for other peoples’ sacred places. The Extent of the Damage After repeated requests from Armenian organizations, UNESCO reluctantly prepared a report, where from 2200 working Armenian churches accounted for in 1912 by patriarch Ormanian, that included location and even priest names, almost 60% were already destroyed. According to the 1974 UNESCO account, from the 913 monuments still standing after the genocide 464 were totally destroyed, 252 were turned in ruins and 197 needed serious restoration. Over 90% of Armenian territory being under Turkish occupation, about 95% of known and accounted for churches and monasteries have already been reduces to rubble by blood-thirsty Turkish hordes. This does not include 568 churches already desecrated during 1894 - 1897 Hamidian genocides, nor does it include the destruction of all Armenian cemeteries and khachkars, nor does it account for all the ransacked relics and religious objects, nor thousands of Armenian manuscripts burnt by the savages. To think that the surviving samples in Matenadaran hardly constitute 10 to 15% of all Armenian manuscripts, the horrific picture of Turkish savagery becomes uglier than ever.

Cultural Genocide, the Natural Byproduct of the Unnatural Turkish Genocidal Instinct That the Armenian Genocide neither started in 1915 nor ended after the end of WWI is as clear as daylight. The Turks started their organized turkification of Armenia and Asia Minor right from the ill day their hordes of primitive, barbaric ancestors set hoof this side of the Caspian. One has only to browse the accounts of Armenian historians who witnessed their savageries as well as Ottoman records to see that those who suffered most under the crushing Turkish yoke were mainly the Christian reaya and above all the most numerous millet of them all, the Armenians. The examples abound: the deportation of the Armenians of Caesarea to Cyprus in 1573 when the greatest Ottoman Architect Sinan asked Sultan Selim II the “favor” not to deport his family, which was “granted” by the “magnanimous” representative of god on earth. Or think of more than three centuries of wars between Ottoman and Safavids of Persia that invariably took place on Armenian soil. An example: Ottoman historian Peçevi testifies “the army of the sultan set out to Erzerum and Kars via Dyarbekir in 1554. Upon arriving in Eastern Armenia, the “conquering” army razed all the prosperous villages to the ground. The frenzied “victorious” army annihilated cities and villages, houses and buildings to such degree that it horrified anybody who saw that. The Ottoman army enslaved young good looking boys, pretty girls and young women. There were no military tents without less than three of these boys and girls and the number of those tents where they took five or ten of them was countless”. The pillages of the people whose land had become the battlefield of others went on the whole time. The kapikullari (Ottoman gendarmes = bandits) became the “rulers” of the land and mistreated the Armenians in every possible way they chose. Akdag, another Turkish historian writes, “According to the order issued by Yussuf Agha, his six Sipahi regiments had massacred the entire population of Ahiska around 1603”. So much for the “good old days when Turks and Armenians lived like brothers” garbage. That after this much hardship the Armenian nation still exists is the manifestation of their will to survive. In the same period, another nomadic people, the Kurds, whose animosity towards Persia was not hidden from the wily eyes of the Ottoman Tyrants, were migrated into Armenia for the double purpose of serving as a shield against Persia and harassing the Armenians to force them out of their ancestral land. The calamities they brought on the Armenians are the subject of countless Armenian songs and are reflected in historical records as well as in literature. The pogroms of 1870s are recorded in "Armenia and the Campaign of 1877" by Charles Boswell Norman among other sources, the Hamidian genocides of 1894 – 1897 has been the subject of thousands of studies, mass killings were perpetrated against the Armenians of Eastern Armenia by the Tatars (later mutated into “Azeris”) in 1905 - 1906, and the bestialities become more sadistic in 1809 in Cilicia, culminate in 1915, continue under the genocidal bandit Kemal in Western Armenia and under the fake nation the “Azeris” throughout the Soviet era in Eastern Armenia, are once more manifested in the genocidal acts in Sumgait, Baku and Gandzak from 1988, in response to peaceful demonstrations of the Armenians to be rid of “Azeri” tyranny in Artsakh and are still going on in the form of Cultural Genocide in both “countries”: the main virus program state and its crapware, the bogus state installed north of the Arax River. Cultural genocide is a desperate attempt to “conceal” the evidence of thousands of years of indigenous Armenian presence. The murderer is destroying every trace of the victim to announce to the world that no Armenians have ever lived in “Eastern Anatolia” (a meaningless post-genocide term used instead of Armenia, which literally signifies Eastern East!), that the Turks who were still tent-dwelling nomads not very long ago, have had a civilization in “Anatolia” long before the theoretical Big Bang, and that all the great ancient civilizations in “Anatolia” and elsewhere in the universe were unequivocally Turkish. To think that in this day and age, when every piece of history as recent as a few decades is regarded as precious human heritage regardless of the ethnicity who created it, the “modern”, “secular”, “European” Turkey is demolishing and smashing thousands of churches, monasteries, cemeteries, khachkars and every stone containing an Armenian inscription that had survived Alp Arslans, Teimurs, Abdulhamids and even Talats of this world, it becomes very difficult to consider the Turks as civilized human beings. One thing is sure, Turks missed the train of human evolution and didn’t develop all the attributes the modern human beings have acquired over the past 12000 years such as shame, guilt, remorse, compassion, honesty, modesty, sincerity, truthfulness, objectivity, self-criticism, dignity, decency, logical reasoning, sympathy for the suffering of others, etc. otherwise they would face their ugly history and would apologize for all the pain they have caused the Armenians who they used for centuries as cattle and bees to build their “empire”, run their economy, fight their “holy” wars, fill their lazy stomachs and lose their Mongoloid features.

I was going to bash him sorry it anyway. I thought that since you challenge them from a different angle than mine, it would be more effective. Anyway, good luck with Wiky! I have already seen parts of your contribution and I'll check again when I can.

Off topic, there's an Armenian-hating Turk, coying and pasting all the regurgitated Weems(defunct convict, not RIP)/Low(life)ry/McFarty garbage plus cussing in Pravda forum. Anybody got the time to shut him, sorry it up? Hey QueBeceR, your knowledge is well known, feel kind of masochistic to waste some time on this one ? To whet your appetites, here's a quote from the barbarian: "Armenia is f*cked today but it's nothing compared to how f*cked it will be in 10 years as Turkey grows stronger and stronger. The shithole that it is today will look like paradise then as it slips into the stone age from poverty and isolation. In the end, Turkey will inevitably make Armenians eat up all the shit they've been spreading about Turkey. It won't be pretty." http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?threadid=130146&highlight=agitpapa http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?threadid=140787&highlight=agitpapa Edit: changed direct links to tags - don't want to increase their google rank.

They "founded" their artificially created, bogus "country" on mainly Armenian territory. It's they who "go on the offensive with land claims" even though they f*cking lost the war they started in the first place. Shameless, brazenfaced barbarians that they are!

People, there is no Artsakh conflict! The "conflict" was solved over a dacade ago. The biggest mistake the Armenians made (just like in 1918) was to accept the cease-fire when the "Azeris" were begging for it on their knees. They should have gone forward and dropped the "Azeris" into the Caspian or at least they should have liberated Gandzak. Where on earth have you seen a loser of the war receive territory? This is insane! Why doesn't Armenia put demands for Nakhijevan and Shahoomian, Martooni and Getashen in Northern Artsakh? These are LEGAL Armenian territories, along with the liberated field-Artsakh. We cannot afford to lose Karvajar and Lachin and we mustn't return a square nanometer of the liberated land. It's so that the Zionist/Freemason Turklovers are pressuring Armenia, and Armenia shoudn't bend. What shall we get in return? Lifting of the embargo? Opening of goddamned borders? Come on that's NOTHING. They can impose/close it again, but can Armenia take back the returned land they gained for the price of thousands of brave martyrs? We can hold on to the liberated land just they hold on to the occupation of Cyprus. Why no one bothers them to end that invasion?

We just have to be firm. No land will be returned in exchange for nothing. What can they do? Start a new war? Can they win? Let me tell you, the first thing they have to do in case they start a war is to shove the EMPTY pipeline up theirs! I don't think the United Kingdom of the Greatest Turkish Phallus Worshipping Zionist/Freemason Poufs will be very happy. The Armenian government has just to hold on to the liberated land and doesn't have to be intimidated by the threats and pressure imposed by the immoral Turk-loving Western powers. They can't do anything.

The Artsakh "conflict" has been solved over a decade ago. The "Azeris" started a war after massacring Armenians and they f**king lost the war. End of story. All these years they have been annoying us and they are preventing the normal progress of the Armenian people as if the last thousand years of Turkish calamity wasn't enough. They want land in place for nothing. What are they proposing in return for liberated land they are claiming? Opening of borders and the lifting of the embargo? Give me a break! How on earth can the loser of a war demand land? No matter what happens, the Armenians have to give land to the Turks. It happened in the past and the Artsakh problem is a result of that. When are Armenians going to claim Nakhijevan, Kars and Ardahan? These have been unjustly usurped from us. What about Shahoomian, Getashen and Martooni? Why can't the goddamn Turk-loving Zionist/Freemason "superpowers" allow us to live in peace and give us a chance to go on with our lives? Not a square millimeter of liberated land should be "returned" to the bogus country founded on Armenian territory. They want Aghdam? First they give us back Nakhijevan. They want Fizuli? What about canceling the illegal Kars treaty? I'm sooooo pissed off with the passive attitude of the Armenians and our government. When are we going to be a bit more demanding?

When it comes to protesting against this sort of barbarity, Armenians are so lenient and slow. Look how the "Azeris" have used the Khojaly incident, perpetrated by themselves, to bring the Armenians down to their level, whining and sniveling and whimpering and wailing to the top of their voices. I wonder why we don't complain when they commit such atrocities. It's human heritage that belongs to everybody and not Armenians only. Can you show another nation who destroys the centuries old monuments of another nation in like manner in this day and age? http://www.armeniadiaspora.com/gallery/jugha/index.html

Yes, I have seen this on tallturkishtale hate site and ataa as well. You draw a logical conclusion though and I agree with you. The thing is, I want to know if anybody has (access to) this book. I'm dying to see the page quoted by Varandian! I fantasize that someone will scan the page and attach it to a post so that we can use it as a fan against their excrement throwing. If it turns out that their "manuscript" is fake, it shall prove their brazenness in misusing a dead man's name twisting his ideas 180 degrees.

The quote I mentioned in the first post is from Varandian's "The History of Dashnaktsoutiun" and he even includes the following sentence in English within the quote: "The subject is too painful to need any coloring" (Norman referring to the Turkish atrocities). You can love or hate the Dashnaks and Varandian may be patriotic, his style is definitely passionate, but I have no doubt he is not lying, moreover, Varandian's introduction to "The History..." is dated 1931 (probably the year the book came out first), which is way before the Turkish organized denial campaign.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to the UCLA library from Iran (I don't have access to a lot of things including a decent censorship free Internet )! It's kind of bizarre that the guy first defended, then condemned the Armenians. If someone could browse this book and inform us it would be great... BTW, thanks gamavor.

Has anyone access to or a copy of "Armenia and Its Campaign of 1877" by Charles Boswell Norman? I have a quote from this book in Armenian that pretty much describes the atrocities perpetrated by the Turks, yet the Turks seem to have monopolized him as pro-Turkish and refer to his accounts as initially titled "The Armenians Unmasked". As usual, the Internet (read the Armenian websites), is abysmally poor regarding this book.

I'm not an expert, but I think the treaty of Sèvres is one asset we shouldn't ignore for a moment. How are we going to enforce its ratification? Well, first of all, the Turkish phallus worshipping states must become disinterested in swallowing Turkish Delight for a change, I don't think that day is too far off. Secondly, we have to find a way to bring back the several hundreds of thousands to a couple of million (other people's estimations not mine) Turkified Armenians who are eager to go back to their roots. I'm not BS-ing out of my head, I heard from some people who visit Western Armenia regularly, that they come and embrace the Armenian tourists, dance with them and express their warm feelings to their fellow Armenians. One of these tourists once said: We Armenians have never bothered to preach Christianity to others why not for a change try to bring back these people to their roots? Thirdly, the treaty of Sèvres also envisages a Kurdish state and sooner or later the Kurds are going to get their way, I think you won't disagree on this. Of course on one hand the Kurds "apologize" for the atrocities they committed against us, on the other hand they include Western Armenia in their map of Kurdistan, a state that never existed in history. We shouldn't let this happen, and once again the treaty of Sèvres will serve to prevent this. Once the long awaited day arrives, the Kurds can gradually migrate south while Armenians hopefully will go to live in their homeland. Needless to say the perpetrator of the Genocide must accept all the expenses of the Kurdish migration at least. This may sound like a dream but there is nothing wrong with it.

However, it doesn't really bother me that the Muslim countries (including Iran where I hail from!) according to their moral duties, don't recognize the AG, what pisses me off is that the axis of evil: The Zionist Israel, The United Kingdom of the Greatest Turkish Phallus Worshippers and their satellite state the United Slaves of Anglia shamelessly put their heads in the sand regarding the Armenian Genocide...

I hope this won't be taken wrongly, but it's because Syria is an Islamic country... Lebanon is the only Muslim country that has recognized the AG and that's because of the influential Christian minority. That said we shouldn't forget that Arabs gave shelter to the victims of the AG and we are eternally grateful for that. Arab and other Muslim intellectuals who have written books about the sufferings of the Armenians are also not scarce. Quran:009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

You might have seen this, if you haven't it's worth checking out! http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Histories__Narrati...n_genocide.html

Domino jan (I'm sure I'll get to pronounce your nick here sometime but let me call you by the other), I know all this, but don't you think we are a bit too defeatist? Why shouldn't we be a bit more demanding? Why can't we slap in the face of the sniveling "Azeri" foxes (sorry for the bashing, I just can't help it!) when they claim the universe despite their miserable defeat? I still think that Sèvres is a valuable document and the only worry that I have is whether some Armenians at least, would go and live there once it's been returned, (in 10, 50 or 100 years, it doesn't matter). Meanwhile we have to come up with a way to reconvert our Turkified kin who still know they are Armenians. And one last thing: America is just a paper tiger, the American Empire will not last forever. We've seen them all come and go: The Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, Turks of all species, Czarist and Bolshevik Empires... they all came, pillaged and plundered Armenia and they're all gone but we are still there. I know I sound too optimistic but do you really believe we should forget about Kars, Ani, Sassoon, Moush, Van, Ardahan, Ardvin, Surmalu...?

Hi everyone, I've been visiting Hyeforum for quite some time now, finally I decided to participate now and again. Usually I'm trying to talk some sense into damaged Turkish brains at http://www.armeniangenocide.com It takes up much time and energy but it's impossible to change their attitudes which are "formed" through some serious lobotomy by their system. Anyway, is there anyone who could tell me why the treaty of Sèvres is not good enough? It was signed by Turkey, Armenia and the other victorious countries, whereas the Lausanne treaty was imposed on Armenia.