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Armen, in post #35 you write: “I also think that some of the traditionally Armenian values should be changed…. E.g. the "strong family" value is counterproductive for any government official. As long as they keep that value in the government, corruption is going to be the master of everything.” Your example of some Armenian values that should be changed, was the “Strong family”. However, as a response to my question, “Do you have a strong family?”, you write in post #42: “Yes, I can call my family in Yerevan a strong one.” Does this mean the “Strong” value of your family “Should be changed” as well? Edit Note: changed the font size.

Armen I have a question for you: Do you have a strong family? And please explain your answer. Armat, I share your views on this case too. Now we understand each other. Keep your eyes on your kid.

If several cretins are corrupting, and using the slogan "strong family" in the same time, it does not mean that "strong family" ideology resutls in the corruption. Slogans have nothing to do with the corruption. If our nation's pshychology remains as it is now (which is do not care and do not feel responsible for our future), we are going to have corruption not metter what is our slog. Your example is unreasonable, in my point of view. "Strong family" which is the traditional Armenian family with its holy values is a key without which we wont be able to survive. Armenian Government does not understand that, and you Armen, does not realizse that Armenian Government is occupied by anti-Armenian cretins who do not understand what nation, national interests and national values are. Armenian ministerS, with ther idiot president and workers, are infamous abusers of slogans like "Srong family". if an Armenian makes fun of the ideology of "Strong family" (without bringing the gvt example) and stating that we live in 21st century and we need to change our moral values, here is what i will tell to that "armenian": "Go to any "western" country, let your 12-years-old daughter get pregnant and forget about your Armenian identity and Strong Family. You have the right to do chose what your children should be......."

We need to understand the real Armenian values, which are much better than the "European." What about those rabizes and "Armenians" who call Armenians from USA "Amerikatsi, etc. ........... They are not the carriers of true Armenian values and they do not represent the Armenian Azg (There is difference between "Azg" and "joghovurd" that cannot be explained in Eglish). We have very bad entities in our nation, but, as Charents has said, "Ինչքան էլ սուր սիրտս խոցեն արյունաքամ վերքերը մեր, Էլի ես որբ ու արնավառ, իմ Հայաստան յարն եմ սիրում..." We just need to return to our national values, of course understanding the modern contexts. Dont you guys think so?

Interesting discussion guys. Nevertheless, some of us need to work harder on their English. To make fun of people from different states and cities - is a common thing. Armat thinks that to be "Western" means to respect others (He brought his personal example to support his point). Now, I will bring my personal example. I have been living in the United States for the last one year and I have noticed that the Americans of my state are always making fun of people from other states, let it be Utah, California, New York or Nevada. So "Western" people, in the reality, do not respect each other either. This, however, does not mean at all that I support topographic discrimination that exists among Armenians. That is wrong! That is uncivilized! That is impolite and that is anti-Armenian! The reasons of the topographic discrimination are different, but I will state an argument that proves that to discriminate Armenians among Armenians is infamous and unjustified, because when Turks were killing our children and our mothers, they were not asking them if they were Armenians of Van, Yerevan Armenians, Russian Armenians, karabagh Armenians, Iranian Armenians....... Turks were killing all of us as Armenians.... We are the same, we are Armenians.......

If you want to see your 12-years-old daughter having sex and using drugs, live in your favorite "West" and "Westernize" your own kids. You do have that right. But you do not have the right to destroy a civilization of 5, 000 years with its unique national and moral values, values that have lead us to survive in the long run of the human civilization. Մենք մեզ ոչ մեկից չենք գերադասում, Բայց մեզ էլ գիտենք, մեզ հայ են ասում........

The Armenian Church was the one who saved the Armenian Culture and Language during the times we did not have a state. I do not want to justify the passive role that Mother See has now, but we have to be united in order to be able to achieve something. To be untied we have to have something that unites us and it is the Armenian Apostolic Church church. Like in my state, where only 2000 Armenians live the only place where you can meet Armenians is the church. Armenia needs to have strategic buildings but our religion is strategy too, a weapon whith which we have defeated the enemies for hundreds of years. Guys please read the previous postings before making a statement and before responding. Arpa, I mentioned in my first posting that the reason of destroying the Armenian Cultural monuments in Turkey is to show that 1. Armenians have never lived in Western Armenia and 2. Armenian Genocide is a "lie". I think it is clear what should we be worried about

Varagavank Today. Destroyed by Turkey (Western Armenia)

Alashkert before and after Turkish "reconstruction"

St. Arakelots of Mush in 1960s and today, afer Turkish rapes

Genocide is not only racial etermination of a nation or a group. Genocide is also an attemp to exterminate all the traces of those people whom they plan to annihilate. Cultural Genocide of the Armenian race started in 1170. when, as a result of "firework", organized by Seljuk-Turks in Armenian Castle Baghaberd, more than 10, 000 Armenian manuscripts were annihilated. Before the Armenian Genocide, therer were about 1200 Armenian Cathedrals and Churches in Turkey. Now, they are less than 12 Armenian Churches in Turkey.......... Another "round" of Cultural Genocide of Armenian Heritage started in Turkey in late 1950s, when Armenians started to talk about the Armenian Genocide. The pic of the new round was in 1970s, when Turks started to eraze every Armenian trace in Western Armenia. The purpose of Cultural Genocide in Turkey is to. 1. Show that Armenians have never lived and Western Armenian and are not the natives of Armenian Highland 2. Armenian Genocide is a "lie" Turkey is not the only coutry that commites the Cultural Genocide. Azerbaijan has joined Turkey. 10, 000s of Armenian Khachkars have been destroyed in Nakhichevan. What do you think, how can we stop the cultural genocide against Armenian Civilization? Below: Msho Surb Karapet in 1950s and today (Destroyed by Turkey)

What is fine? If you read the posting, you would know why did i put the picture.

Hayer jan, chgitem duq nkatel eq, te voch, bayc forumi shat andamner, krelov handerdz, haykakan kexcanunner, tanum en hakahaykakan qarozchutyun` caxrelov mer azgayin arjeqner@: Mer orerum tirum e texekatvakan paterazm@, vorum hayers, inchpes misht, partvum enq: Aynpes vor koch em anum bolor HAY erin, zerc mnal haykakan anunneri tak taqnvac turqeri arajarkac temanerin masnakceluc, inchpes naev hegnanqov u caxranqov verabervel aynpisi norutyunneri, voronq geragnahatum en mer azgi arjaniqner@, i verjo, hisheq vor Ararati , Draxti ev myus havataliqner@ hayers che vor "horinel enq".... Husov em haskanum eq asacs: Mi vaxeceq azgaynakan lineluc, qanzi poqr azgeri hamar azgaynakanutyun@ inqnapashtpanutyun e ev goyatevman banali...... Iren "Hay" kochox, Hayoc cexaspanutyun@ lktiabar jxtox Edvard Tashju nkar@, vorn aknhaytoren hovanavorvum e Turqiayi mshakuyti naxararutyan koxmic ( Ayceleq Tashjii edwardtashji.org ev Turqio mshakuyti naxarautyan www.kultur.gov.tr sayter@ ev khamozveq) editet the links, we don't want to boos these websites rankings by cliking on them. index.6

In the German Poem "Song of Anno" (XI century) can be read: " The proud Bavarians Having Come From Armenia" The very first document of British history, "The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles" writes: "The island Britain (1) is 800 miles long, and 200 miles broad. And there are in the island five nations; English, Welsh (or British) (2), Scottish, Pictish, and Latin. The first inhabitants were the Britons, who came from Armenia (3), and first peopled Britain southward. "

Do you mind if I ask you a question? Have you ever read something written by Armen Ayvazyan? If yes, are you Armenian or??????

Ludwig9 Jan, not only that. According to one of the other "texts" of Mormons, one of the Mormons' learders is superios than Jesus Christ. Mormons write that a monkey appeared who was making fun of Jesus and that Mormon said to that monkey, "In the name of Jesus, disappear from hear" and monkey was gone. JEsus said, "Thanks, because I myself wouldnot be able to do that"...... Can you imagine?

In December of 2003, historian Armen Ayvazyan (Ayvazian, Aivazian, Aivassian) was not awarded by PhD degree that is - he did not get the title of a Doctor. A lot of articles are written on this subject. It is apparent that Armen Ayvazyan was not given a PhD because of his research <> published in 1998 in Yerevan. In that research, Ayvazyan shows the false facts of the Armenian History presented in the American Historiography. The work of Ayvazyan pissed off a lot of people in the world, that's why some Armenian "scholars" did not give him the title of Doctor. One of those was Babken Harutyunyan - a lier on the Armenian History himself, who avoids using the toponym "Western Armenia" and uses "Terretories populated by Armenians before the Genocide" instead of it. Here is the cover of Ayvazyan's book that can be read in Armenian at http://artsakhworld.com/Armen_Aivazian/US_.../Index_Arm.html

As the previous one, this topic is about the falsifying the Armenian History. The Information war is the main conflict in the world today, and some powers use amoral rules in that war by falsifying the history and lying. The main part of the Information War is the History. And some powers have been falsyfiying the history for thousands of years. For example, Alexandr the Great would kill his historians if those wouldn't "state" the history in the way Alexandr wanted. An information war was the creation of the modern Azerbaijan in 1917 by the Pan-Turkists and Russian Nationalists. Untill 1917 a name "Azerbaijan" never appeared in Caucasus. Azerbaijan, the Turkish pronouncation of Adrbadagan, was the northern part of Iran and that was all.... But politics can change the history...... Armenian Genocide, more correctly, the denying of the Armenian Genocide is the part of the Information War and the "soldiers" of it are J.McCarthy, Show, Bernard Louis and most of the historians living in Turkey. There are some historians, who, even though recognizing the Armenian Genocide, falsify the facts of the Armenian Genocide. Such "scholars" are James Rassel, Ronald Suni and others. And here is the sad news: Now the director of the Armenian History Department of the Yerevan State Uniersity, Babken Harutyunyan falsifies the fdacts of the Armenian History and Genocide. He uses "lands populated by Armenians before the genocide" for Western Armenia. He writes that Armenians did not have a state for 700 years, though its untrue because we didn't have a state only between 1375-1918. In his article <> Gevork Yazedjyan, a historian, assumes that Babken Harutyunyan is paid by American dollars to falsify the Armenian History. Yazedjyan brings the fact: THE PUBLISHING HOUSE THAT PUBLISHED HARUTYUNYAN'S ARTICLE "KARABAGHIZATION OF NATIONAL HISTORY" IS SPONSORED BY AMERICAN POLITICIAN GOBLE!!!!!!!!!!! Shall I continue? Here is what BAbaken Harutyunyan does when "writing" the Armenian History: And here is what he does when he is finished his "article" and paid by the enemies of the Armenian nation. He dances in Turkish costumes with an idiot smile on his face..... ( Source: http://www.hayastan.com/shrjadardz ) ----- The attached picture was removed since it was deemed inappropriate for the discussion by the moderators. The validity of the claims of this topic is under review. --Sip

Guyz, I can see that none of you has read the actual article in Shrjadardz at www.shrjadardz.hayastan.com. The Mormons are called to destroy the Armenian national culture and that's why they are in Armenia. Some people say its OK that Mormons are in Armenia, but small nations, as ourselves can not and should not be "democratic". California has Satanic church and it is OK, because USA is not a national country, it is a super power with great resources. But the small states have to be NATIONALISTIC, becuase it is the key of the survival. PLease read the article by Tariel Ghajoyan and you will get the point. What about the clergy of Armenia...... I totally agree that they have doing nothing rather than to fill their bodies, but it does not mean that we should tolerate the Mormons or the Witnesses of Jehova. WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT ARMENIAN APOSTOLIC CHURCH IS THE KEY TO BE UNITED AND TO SURVIVE, FOR ME THE SURVIVAL OF MY NATION AS A NATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE RELIGION ITSELF. THE RELIGION IS A KEY. A KEY TO SURVIVE AND TO BE TOGETHER. MORMONS IN ARMENIA ARE SPIES AND NOTHING ELSE. THEY ARE COPYING THE ARMENIAN ARCHIVES IN ORDER TO MAKE A SLAVE OF US AND NOTHING ELSE. WE ARE THE OWNERS OF OUR HOME AND WE SHOULD NOT LET SNAKES TO DESTROY OUR NATION AND OUR CULTURE. ONE NATION, ONE CULTURE, ONE HOMELAND. Please look at the MORMON SATANIC CHURCH again, and try to find anything "spiritual" in it.

I dont know its a secret or what, but there is a MORMON CHURCH IN YEREVAN. Mormons, sponsored by the powerful states to ruin national values, are spead in Armenia with their mission to destroy our country. I read a great research by Tariel Ghajoyan called "The Mormons in our Home" and published in the new-born Armenian Magazine SHRJADARDZ. Here is the English summary: "Tariel Ghajoyan, The Mormons in our Home The author thoroughly discusses the Mormons’ sectarian ideology and ascertains that the activity of this heterodoxy in RA constitutes threat to the Armenian State and the National Security." The whole article in the Armenian format (PDF) can be read at http://www.hayastan.com/shrjadardz/may.pdf or visit www.shrjadardz.hayastan.com The Mormon - Satanic "Church" of ................Yerevan