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quote:Originally posted by art: This article almost made me cry. We might not have a independent Armenia in 10 years. Our people are starving to death in this white genocide in Armenia. This is very sad but it's true. Charentsavan is a dying city. It was one of the major heavy industrial centers not only in Armenia but in Caucasus as well. There are about 11 big factories (mostly machinary) and all of them have been closed now. One of them (a chemical factory Lisin) was the only factory in whole Soviet Union producing Lisin (it's a part of DNA in genetic engineering).And its impossible to reopen them because when a machine doesn't work about 10 years it's getting old not ony phisically but technologically as well. You had to see how the corrupted managment of these factories were selling the giant machines (worth millions of dollars) by weight as a piece of metal to Iran. Can you imagine a city were 99% of population is not working and have no hope for better life? Can you blame them for leaving? I dont think so. [ May 02, 2001: Message edited by: Garo ]

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US SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES COMMEMORATE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE WITH SPECIAL ORDER SPEECHES Washington, DC - Members of the both the US Senate and House of Representatives commemorated the Armenian Genocide by participating in a series of Special Order speeches following Tuesday's legislative business. Senators Russ Feingold (D-WI), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Tim Johnson (D-SD), Edward Kennedy (D-MA), Carl Levin (D-MI) and Jack Reed (D-RI) made statements, with others expected to follow suit. The Co-Chairs of the Congressional Caucus on Armenian Issues, Representatives Joe Knollenberg (R-MI) and Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ), organized the Special Order speeches in the US House of Representatives and invited their colleagues to join the annual bipartisan event. All remembered the victims and survivors of the Armenian Genocide. Many spoke of the importance of the US affirming the record and officially recognizing the Armenian Genocide as the European Parliament, the Vatican and other countries have. Several Members referred to the current Nagorno Karabagh conflict and the necessity of securing peace and safety for the Armenians who live in the region so that the threat of history repeating itself could be set to rest. "On behalf of the Armenian Assembly, I thank those Members of Congress who joined Armenians worldwide in commemorating the Armenian Genocide of 1915. As many Members noted in their statements, without coming to terms with the past, mankind is doomed to repeat it," said Assembly Acting Executive Director Arpi Vartanian. "In his official statement for April 24, President Bush referred to the annihilation of approximately 1.5 million Armenians in the closing years of the Ottoman Empire. His description of what happened then is a textbook definition of genocide. We wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed by Members of Congress that we must remember the Genocide and let its lessons 'guide us as we seek to build a better future.' US recognition and affirmation of the Genocide will help Turkey come to terms with the actions of its predecessor state. Without doing this, Turkey cannot embrace its future in the region." In the Senate, Senator Feingold noted in his remarks the need to look at our past in order to improve upon current situations around the world. "Clearly there is a great deal of work that still needs to be done to prevent human tragedy. So today we commemorate the Armenian Genocide, let us honor the men, women and children whose lives were lost between 1915-1923…" Senator Feinstein echoed her colleague's need for prevention. "By acknowledging the Armenian Genocide we state loud and clear: Never again." Addressing those who attempt to deny the Genocide, Senator Johnson said, "To those who would question these events, I refer them to numerous documents kept by the United States National Archives, which detail these horrifying events." Senator Kennedy said, "One of the enduring achievements of the survivors of the Genocide and their descendants has been to keep its tragic memory alive, in spite of continuing efforts by those who refuse to acknowledge the atrocities that took place." Senator Levin honored the victims of the Armenian Genocide and paid tribute to those who survived to start anew in different countries. "The Armenian people have preserved their culture, faith and identity for over a thousand years. In the last century alone, the Armenian people have withstood the horrors of two World Wars and several decades of Soviet dominance in order to establish modern Armenia. I hope all my Senate colleagues will join me in honoring and remembering the victims of the Armenian Genocide." Senator Reed said, "Commemoration of the Armenian Genocide is important not to keep alive the memory of those Armenians who died, but to remind the world of its duty. We must always bear witness to the terrors of yesterday so that we can respond to acts of oppression in the future, ensuring that the deaths of all victims of hatred and prejudice are not in vain." In the House of Representatives, Caucus Co-Chair Representative Knollenberg opened his remarks with a brief historical overview of the Armenian Genocide. Knollenberg asked his colleagues, "Why then, it must be asked, are so many people unaware of the Armenian Genocide? I believe the answer is found in the international community's response to this disturbing event or, I should say lack of response. At the end of World War I, those responsible for ordering and implementing the Armenian Genocide were never brought to justice, and the world casually forgot about the pain and suffering of the Armenian people…" Knollenberg went on to say, "…let us pay homage to those who fell victim to the Ottoman oppressors and tell the story of the forgotten genocide. This, for the sake of the Armenian heritage, is certainly a story that must be heard." Caucus Co-Chair Representative Pallone urged Congress to affirm the US record. He said, "Congress should not be forced by a foreign government to deny or ignore the US record and response to the events that took place in the Ottoman Empire from 1915-1923. Those of us who have been fighting for this recognition will not give up. We are committed and we will not quit fighting until this Nation finally recognizes the Armenian genocide as genocide." He continued to say, "We must overcome the denials and the indifference, and keep alive the memory and the truth of what happened to the Armenian people in the past - as we work to see to it that this tragic history is never repeated." Two Representatives of Armenian descent were among the 41 who participated in the Special Order. Representative John Sweeney (R-NY), who is of Armenian descent, spoke of his grandfather and his memories of the Genocide. "My grandfather was a first-hand witness to the bloodshed. He often told us of his experience of holding his uncle's arms, with his cousin, as Turkish soldiers executed that grammar school teacher." Sweeney also called on the current Turkish Government to recognize their past. "To heal the wounds of the past, the Turkish Government must first recognize its responsibility for actions of past leaders." Representative Anna Eshoo (D-CA) also spoke of her relatives who lived through the massacres. "Mr. Speaker, as the only Member of Congress of Armenian and Assyrian descent, I am very proud of my heritage. Like many Armenians, I learned from my grandparents of the hardship and suffering endured by so many at the hands of the Ottoman Empire. That is how I came to this understanding and this knowledge and why I bring this story to the House of Representatives," she said. "It's essential to not only publicly acknowledge what happened, but also understand that we are teaching present and future generations about the Armenian Genocide." The Armenian Assembly of America is the largest Washington-based nationwide organization promoting public understanding and awareness of Armenian issues. It is a 501©(3) tax-exempt membership organization. ### NR#2001-064 Excerpts from other Representatives reading or submitting statements as of April 26 are below: Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY): "As we all know, surely and irrefutably, the first Armenian Genocide, occurred between 1915 and 1923, and resulted in the deliberate death of 1.5 million human souls, killed for the crime of their own existence. The second Armenian Genocide, which every year we must struggle against, is the ongoing effort by some to deny reality, to deny history, to deny one of humanity's darkest hours." Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA): "Surrounded by countries still hostile to them, to this day the Armenian struggle continues. Our nation must work to prevent further aggression and assure Armenians throughout the world that they can live free of threats to their existence and property." Rep. Howard Berman (D-CA): "We mark this anniversary of the start of the Armenian genocide because this tragedy for the Armenian people was a tragedy for all humanity. It is our duty to remember, to speak out and to teach future generations about the horrors of genocide and the oppression and terrible suffering endured by the Armenian people." Rep. Michael Bilirakis (R-FL): "The atrocious acts of annihilation against the Armenian people were denounced by Paris, London and Washington as war crimes. Even the Germans, the Ottoman Empire's ally in the First World War, condemned these heinous acts…This orchestrated extermination of a people is contrary to the values the United States espouses. We are a nation which strictly adheres to the affirmation of human rights everywhere and cannot dispute a horrendous historical fact by ignoring what so many witnessed and survived." Rep. David Bonior (D-MI): "In remembering the Armenian Genocide, we are making a commitment against genocide and discrimination. We are making a personal commitment to speaking out against injustice wherever we see it." Rep. Jerry Costello (D-IL): "…In the Armenian consciousness, the events of 1915 through 1923 are a vivid and constant presence. I am pleased my colleagues and I have the opportunity to pay tribute to the Armenian community in order to ensure the legacy of the genocide is remembered." Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-NY): "I am well aware of the importance of Turkey as an ally in an unstable region and a frontline NATO state. However, the Turkish Government must officially recognize the atrocities of its predecessors in the Ottoman Empire…This Genocide and its lessons must never be forgotten." Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA): "The Armenian Genocide, conceived and carried out by the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1923, resulted in the deportation of 2 million Armenians from their homeland and the ultimate slaughter of 1.5 million of those people…. The U.S. has some of the most extensive documentation of this genocide against the Armenian people, and there has been no shortage of corroboration by other countries." Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA): "It is important that we not only commemorate the Armenian Genocide, but also honor the memory of others who lost their lives during this time. We must remember this horrific and shameful period in world history so that it will never be repeated again." Rep. Calvin Dooley (D-CA): "Our statements today are intended to preserve the memory of the Armenian loss, and to remind the world that the Turkish government still refuses to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. The truth of this tragedy can never and should never be denied." Rep. Michael Ferguson (R-NJ): "We mark this anniversary each year to remind our Nation and to teach future generations about the horrors of genocide and oppression endured by the Armenian people." Rep. George Gekas (R-PA): "I am sure that the victims of the Armenian Genocide would want us to not simply remember the historic travesty that befell them, but would want us to learn from these lessons of xenophobia and inhumanity. We remember the Armenian Genocide, today, and we affirm its historical existence, not to inflame the passions of our friends in the modern day Republic of Turkey, but to remind all Americans of the horrible consequences of ethnic violence." Rep. Benjamin Gilman (R-NY): "It is fitting that we pause and join in this commemoration, and asking all Americans to join in it. We must understand the lessons of the tragedies of this century such as the Armenian Genocide, and most important to resolve to prevent their repetition." Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD): "We mark this unspeakable tragedy each year on that date so that we can examine what occurred and honor the memory of the victims. Sadly, Mr. Speaker, the massacre of the Armenians was not the last genocide of the 20th Century…We must remember, Mr. Speaker, but we must also learn from this event and ultimately act on that knowledge to prevent such indescribable horror from ever occurring again." Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI): "Over eighty-six years later after the tragedy began, Turkey still denies the Armenian Genocide despite overwhelming documentation of these atrocities. We cannot allow such ethnic violence and genocide to simply be covered up or ignored. Continued Congressional support to provide assistance to the people residing in Nagorno Karabagh and upholding Section 907 of the Freedom Support Act sends a strong, powerful message to Turkey that we will not allow Armenian communities to be threatened again." Rep. Mark Kirk (R-IL): "Today, I join my colleagues in recognizing the Armenian Genocide of 1915, and while this is indeed a day of mourning, we must also take this opportunity to celebrate Armenia's commitment towards democracy in the face of adversity." Rep. James Langevin (D-RI): "Armenians are a strong, resilient people, struggling to heal the wounds of the past. However, until the Armenian Genocide is officially acknowledged, these wounds will remain. We should not deny the Armenian people their rightful place in history. To do so would dishonor them, and blight our understanding of the past. It is the best interests of our nation and the entire global community to remember the past and learn from history." Rep. Sander Levin (D-MI): "Despite all the facts, eyewitness accounts, recognition by countries throughout the world, and the findings of their own post-war courts, the government of Turkey still refuses to acknowledge the genocide ever occurred. We cannot allow such blatant disregard and denial to go on." Rep. William Lipinski (D-IL): "As I said two years ago in this chamber and on this floor, we cannot, should not and will not forget the Armenian Genocide. As a matter of conscience, we should all stand together to speak out to remember the victims. While the Armenians have suffered through such tragic horrors, it would be an even greater tragedy if we forget. We will remember and honor their memories in the hopes for a better tomorrow." Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY): "We have supported Armenia with direct assistance and with confidence-building allocations. I strongly support the efforts of the Armenian community to dedicate a museum and memorial commemorating the victims of the Armenian Genocide. This year, their dream became a reality with the purchase of a building near the White House. Nothing we can say will bring back those who perished, but we can honor their memories with everlasting meaning by teaching the lessons of the Armenian genocide to the next generation." Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY): "Taking a moment here today, is the least we can do to honor the victims of that terrible time, but it is essential nonetheless. If there is to be any hope of preventing future acts of such inhumanity, the senseless acts of violence inflicted upon Armenians must be properly recognized." Rep. James McGovern (D-MA): "It is difficult to fathom a greater evil than the massacre and willful destruction of a people. Those who deny that a holocaust took place when there are recorded accounts of the barbarity are complicit and often perpetuate a cycle of violence. This is the injustice much of the world has committed against the Armenian people." Rep. Marty Meehan (D-MA): "There are survivors of the Armenian Genocide in my district, and the horror of this ordeal is forever etched in their collective memories…With great respect for them and for Armenians throughout the world, let us renew our commitment here today that the American people will oppose any and all instances of genocide." Rep. Joe Moakley (D-MA): "As a nation, the United States speaks often about respect for human rights. I am proud that we hold such values so close - but until will accept the truth about atrocities like the Armenian Genocide we fail to reach our goals." Rep. Connie Morella (R-MD): "The Armenian Genocide is a historical fact. There is a nonpartisan academic consensus that between 1915 and 1923, 1.5 million Armenians perished at the hands of the crumbling Ottoman Empire. I deeply regretted the decision made by this body last year not to consider…legislation recognizing the Armenian genocide." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA): "If we ignore the lessons of the Armenian Genocide, we are destined to repeat those same mistakes. The horrible conflicts in Sudan, Sierra Leone, and East Timor remind us that we must do more to prevent the systematic slaughter of innocent people. We must learn from the past and never forget the victims of the Armenian genocide." Rep. George Radanovich (R-CA): "We must take our role as the leader of the Free World seriously and educate people on the systematic and deliberate annihilation of 1.5 million Armenians. We must characterize this as genocide." Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA): "The Armenian Genocide is not simply a problem of the past; it has implications for the future. Our actions now will lay the groundwork for addressing genocide whenever it threatens to erupt again." Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA): "It is time for Turkey to acknowledge this genocide, because only in that way can the Turkish Government and its people rise above it." Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN): "Unfortunately, those responsible for ordering the systematic removal of the Armenians were never brought to justice, and the Armenian Genocide has become a dark moment in history…" Rep. William Thomas (R-CA): "Like the Jewish and Cambodian holocausts, and more recently, the Serbian ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, the Armenian genocide stands out as one of the world's most morally reprehensible acts…Continuing our good relationship with Turkey has repeatedly been cited as the reason not to use the word genocide. Mr. Speaker, there is no word other than genocide to describe the systematic murder of a million and a half people." Rep. John F. Tierney (D-MA): "Had we heeded the lessons that emerged from the massacre, perhaps we could have avoided other great tragedies in this century. In quietly letting the sorrow of the Armenian people go unresolved, however, we allow their tragedy to repeat itself over and over again in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s, in Rwanda in the 1990s, and elsewhere throughout the world." Rep. Nydia Velázquez (D-NY): "As we gather on this day to remember the past and mourn those who lost their lives, their homes, their families and their freedom, let us pledge to do all that we can to ensure that the Armenian Genocide is properly recognized and remembered to prevent such atrocities from occurring in the future." Rep. Peter Visclosky (D-IN): "Even now, as we rise to commemorate the accomplishments of the Armenian people and mourn the tragedies they have suffered, Azerbaijan [and] Turkey…continue to engage in a debilitating blockade of this free nation." Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-CA): "Today, the world's resolve against historical revisionism of the Armenian Genocide will be a key determinant of our ability to stand against similar attempts at Holocaust denial." Rep. Anthony D. Weiner (D-NY): "On this day I call on my colleagues and on the President to remember the words of author, Holocaust survivor, and Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel, "…to remain silent and indifferent is the greatest sin of all…" Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-CA): "On behalf of Armenia and on behalf of all of our Armenian friends, neighbors, and colleagues, I urge the House of Representatives to recognize our responsibility to learn from the past and to speak out in order to prevent similar atrocities in the future."

Charley Reese April 26, 2001 Copyright © 2001, Orlando Sentinel One test coming soon for President Bush will be when he speaks about Armenia. Will he have the stuff to refer to what happened to the Armenians from 1894 to 1915 as genocide? If he does, Turkey, a NATO ally, will be greatly upset. It might even toss Americans out of its air bases from which we routinely bomb Iraq. The Turkish government has made a great effort in recent years to dismiss the Armenian deaths as casualties of a civil war. It doesn't seem so. The Ottoman Turks, an ally of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Germany during World War I, distrusted Armenians, even though they had pledged their loyalty. Therefore, the Ottoman Turks decided to transport forcibly 2 million Armenians to Syria and Mesopotamia. As many as 1.5 million Armenians died. Seems like genocide to me. And there were other massacres after that. In my more naive days, I once chided then-Sen. Bob "The sorryyyyy Pitchman" Dole for proposing a resolution commemorating Armenian genocide. I argued: Why stick our nose into a controversy that really does not concern us? I got angry mail from more Armenians than I knew even existed. Since then, I've repented, though not because of the angry mail. If the United States is going to be the moralistic policeman of the universe, then, by God, let's not let diplomacy stand in the way of calling a spade a spade. If you're moving 2 million people and you lose 75 percent, I'd say you lost them on purpose. So the president should speak out about the Armenian genocide, and, if the Turks don't like it, tough beans. He should not let the fact that they allow the use of their air bases or the prospects of an oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea area influence his moral judgment. He's a Christian, and Christians are supposed to cherish the truth. It's bad enough that we've been silent all the years about the several thousands of Kurds whom the Turks have "lost" in dealing with Kurdish desires for independence, or at least autonomy. I have stated before that there is no more hypocritical government in the world than our own. No American dies for the cause of human rights. Americans die usually for business reasons or because leaders make stupid errors of judgment. I hope one day that we will quit falling for the patriotic human-rights baloney with which these business deals are papered over and say, "You're not sacrificing my son just so some businesses can make more money." And if we're going to be moralistic, then let's call genocide genocide. It happened to the Armenians; it happened to the Ukrainians; it happened to the Tibetans; it happened to the Ibos in Nigeria; it happened to the Jews of Europe; it also happened to the Germans after the war. It probably has happened to others I'm not aware of. Mass killing is something the human race excels in, including Americans. It's even clear that victims one year can become the perpetrators the next. It's too bad that so few believe the wisdom of the comedian who said, "In a world of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, everybody ends up blind and toothless." But payback, when the opportunity arises, is a hard temptation to resist. Getting back to Bush and his at-this-point confusing foreign policy, there are really two choices. We can play hardball, imperial politics in which we define right as what is in our interests at the moment and wrong as what ain't. Or we can take the moral high ground and support human rights and decline to associate with those who do not respect them. The latter is by far the most difficult. If we followed it strictly, we could probably reduce the number of U.S. embassies abroad by about two-thirds. Contact with many so-called allies would have to be cut off. Human rights get a lot of lip service but very little practice in most parts of the world. Our own record would not stand a close scrutiny. The other style is not that easy either, because what the government at any given moment decides is "in our interests" is frequently kept secret and has nothing whatsoever to do with the American people. Nor does it have anything to do with the publicly stated reasons. Turkey is at least bluntly honest. It is not, for example, a good place to try a hunger strike. So far 17 people have died protesting prison conditions with hunger strikes, and the government had made it plain that it doesn't care if all of them die. Turkey has never been a "friend" of the United States. It was just that during the Cold War we had the same enemy. But today we don't. Our mutually shared enemy, the Soviet Union, no longer exists. Therefore, no reason exists for either Turkey or the United States to do each other any favors. Turkey is experiencing very hard times at the moment, and I would say is politically unstable. Now would be a good time to dig out old "sorryyyyy" Bob's resolution commemorating the Armenian genocide. Let's see if President Bush has the backbone to speak in favor of it.

Gayane can you find information about the latest result of government research regarding this issue? I heard it on news a few days ago. Similar research has been done in Europe also.

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F.A.Z. BERLIN. Government sources said on Friday that Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and Foreign Minister Joseph (Joschka) Fischer have yet to agree on whether the German parliament, the Bundestag, should debate and come to a resolution on the massacres committed by Turks against Armenians during World War I. The Bundestag recently handed over a petition with about 16,000 signatures to the Foreign Ministry. The petition requests that the Bundestag and the federal government follow the example of the French parliament, which first condemned the massacres as a genocide in 1998 and demanded an official apology from the Turkish government last November as a precondition for allowing Turkey to join the European Union. But according to Berlin sources, numerous German parliamentarians expressed reservations about "reopening wounds" in a letter to the government that accompanied the petition. The term "genocide" was avoided in the letter in favor of the more moderate "tragic events." Historians estimate that no fewer than 600,000 Armenians living in what was then still the Ottoman Empire were massacred during World War I, but the Turkish government denies this figure. © Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung 2001

By LARRY B. STAMMER Jews and Armenians, whose people were systematically murdered during two 20th century genocides, mark man's inhumanity to man with remembrances beginning today. Jews will observe Yom Hashoah, or Holocaust Remembrance Day, while Armenians will mark the 86th anniversary of the Armenian genocide. Six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis during World War II. Armenians estimate that 1.5 million of them were murdered between 1915 and 1923. Most historians agree that the Ottoman Turks during and after World War I organized massacres and large-scale deportations of Armenians to Syria. The Armenians were accused of collaboration with Russia, which occupied northern Turkey. Turkey, whose population is primarily Muslim, has denied that a genocide of its ethnic Armenians, a Christian community, took place, but acknowledges that as many as 600,000 Armenians were left dead, saying that most died of exposure and starvation. HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCES Michael Shermer, coauthor of a book on Holocaust denial, will be the featured speaker Sunday during the Day of Remembrance observance from 2 to 4 p.m. sponsored by the Jewish Federation of Greater Long Beach/West Orange County, the Jewish Community Center, the Jewish Community Chronicle and Anti-Defamation League. The program will be at the Barbara Ray Alpert Jewish Community Center, 3801 E. Willow St., Long Beach. (562) 426-7601, Ext. 1024. * An annual commemoration of the 1943 Warsaw ghetto uprising against the Nazis will be held at 8 p.m. today at the Los Angeles Yiddish Cultural Club, 8339 W. 3rd St., Los Angeles. Free. (310) 552-2007. * A Yom Hashoah remembrance sponsored by Congregation Kol Ami of West Hollywood will be held at 7 p.m. Sunday at Fiesta Hall in Plummer Park, 7377 Santa Monica Blvd., West Hollywood. (310) 248-6320. ARMENIAN GENOCIDE Thousands of high school and college students from dozens of campuses will lead a 1.5-mile commemorative march through Hollywood's "Little Armenia" on Tuesday. The march, planned by the United Armenian Students, will start at Sunset Boulevard and Hobart Street at 11 a.m. * "The Red Trees of the Armenian Genocide," an art exhibit and performance, will take place today from 2 to 4 p.m. at 100 S. Brand Ave., Glendale; and on Sunday at the same time in front of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, 5905 Wilshire Blvd., Los Angeles. Free. (818) 631-3540. The Los Angeles Times

Hundreds of Montreal Armenians marched through downtown yesterday to commemorate the 86th anniversary of Armenian genocide and demand its recognition by the Canadian government. About 400 students of Montreal's two Armenian high schools were joined by about 100 Armenian professionals, jewellers and shopkeepers as they marched on Ste. Catherine St. from Place du Canada to Phillips Square. The protesters, who carried portraits of Armenian intellectuals rounded up and killed in Istanbul by the Turkish secret police on the night of April 24, 1915 - the day Armenians the world over mark as the beginning of the genocide - chanted the names of countries that have already recognized the Armenian genocide. They want Canada to follow suit. Premeditated Campaign A majority of genocide scholars and historians agree that Armenian massacres in Ottoman Turkey between 1915 and 1923 were part of a premeditated campaign to exterminate Armenians and thus constitute an act of genocide, the first one of the 20th century. At its international conference held in Montreal in June 1997, the Association of Genocide Scholars, the foremost authority on the subject, unanimously adopted a resolution reaffirming that the mass murder of Armenians in Turkey was genocide. According to the Encyclopedia of Genocide, published in 1999 by the Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide in Jerusalem, about 1.5 million Armenians were massacred or died during forced marches, deportations and internment in the Syrian desert. Turkey has steadfastly refused to recognize the genocide. It argues that there was no premeditated plan to exterminate Armenians; that Armenians are exaggerating the number of casualties; that Turkish authorities were forced to deport Armenians fearing they would collaborate with the advancing Russian army; and that those Armenians who were killed died in intercommunal violence, which claimed as many Turkish victims as Armenians. Most genocide scholars, however, have condemned Turkish denials. "We denounce as morally and intellectually corrupt the Turkish government's denial of the Armenian genocide," said a statement signed by 150 scholars, writers and Nobel laureates in 1998. "We urge our government officials, scholars and the media to refrain from using evasive or euphemistic terminology to appease the Turkish government; we ask them to refer to the 1915 annihilation of the Armenians as genocide." Many of the protesters said yesterday that the tide has started turning against Turkey. Argentina, Belgium, Greece, Italy, Lebanon, Russia and Uruguay have all recognized the genocide. And on Jan. 18, in a landmark victory for the Armenian diaspora, France passed a law recognizing the genocide. Now Canadian Armenians say it's Canada's turn. "Canada has a moral obligation to recognize the genocide," said Mher Karakashian, a teacher and Montreal film-maker. "It has to re-instate the truth, because until it does so, it is a co-conspirator in the denial, and denial is another form of genocide." Martin Poeti, a Universite de Montreal student of Italian descent, had no doubts about what the Canadian government must do. "We all have a moral obligation to recognize it," Poeti said. "Because genocide is a crime against mankind, it's not something Canadian or Quebecois. As human beings we should recognize the genocide, any genocide." Refusal An Affront For Dikran Arouchian, whose parents survived the massacres in the Turkish city of Urfa, Canada's refusal to recognize the genocide was an affront to its democratic and human-rights credentials. Rouben Kuyumdjian, a Turkish-born Armenian and a retired university professor who now devotes all his time to the fight for genocide recognition, said the day Canada will recognize the genocide is not far away. Quebec and Ontario legislatures recognized the Armenian genocide in 1980 and have been voting every year to confirm that motion, Kuyumdjian said. "A federal government spokesman admitted on June 10, 1999, that the event in question was an act 'committed with intent to destroy a national group,' " he said. "That description conforms, word for word, to the (United Nations) definition of genocide." The Montreal Gazette

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From our guestbook ========================== Hello Armenia! I would like to have an Armenian contact, who speaks English fluently and could tell me about the armenian language and how to pronounce it. Perhaps we could exhange other thoughts, as well. I am a 21 - year - old female university student myself. With greetings from Finland, Anu Nevalainen Email: anevalai@cc.joensuu.fi

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Armenian Heirs Settle Lawsuit for $10 Million Joseph B. Treaster New York Times Service Friday, April 13, 2001 NEW YORK More than 85 years after the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey, one of the biggest life insurance companies in the United States has agreed to pay up to $10 million to heirs of the victims. In settling a federal class-action suit brought in Los Angeles, the insurer, New York Life Insurance, said it would also pay at least $3 million to Armenian charities, mainly church groups. New York Life executives said in interviews Wednesday that the company had sought out relatives of victims of the massacre for several years after the killings, which began in 1915, and paid claims on more than 1,100 lives. They estimated that 2,200 other policies had been unresolved. "No one came forward," said William Werfelman, a spokesman for New York Life. "And we couldn't find any heirs." But in the suit, Martin Marootian, an 85-year-old retired pharmacist in Southern California, said his family had corresponded with New York Life for more than 75 years, trying to obtain the benefits from a policy on his uncle Setrak Cheytanian, killed on June 21, 1915. The insurance company "neither agreed to pay, refused to pay nor paid the benefits," the suit said, "but acted continually to delay and obfuscate its obligations under the policy." New York Life confirmed that it had been in touch with the Marootian family for decades. "We were ready to pay Martin Marootian's mother 30 years ago and three years ago," said Michael DeMicco, the deputy general counsel for New York Life. "But they never provided proof that they were related to the policyholder." Finally, Mr. DeMicco said, "they sued us." Eleven other Armenian-Americans joined in the suit, on behalf of thousands of others, saying that New York Life had, likewise, not paid death benefits for relatives. The question of what happened to the Armenians from 1915 to 1922 remains highly emotional for Turks and Armenians. Armenians say 1.5 million of their people were slaughtered, but Turks say 300,000 Armenians died after Armenian military leaders sided with Russia in World War I. New York Life's first reaction to the Armenian-Americans' lawsuit was to try to have it dismissed. The case caught the attention of state lawmakers in California, home to a large Armenian-American population, and the legislature passed a special bill extending the statute of limitations and permitting Armenian-Americans to file suits in California against insurers to recover money from unpaid policies. Around New Year's, New York Life began negotiations with lawyers for the plaintiffs. On Monday, after reaching the agreement announced Wednesday, the motion to dismiss was withdrawn. Copyright © 2001 The International Herald Tribune | www.iht.com

Yup, Harut you can't post a link to a picture saved on your computer. You need to save it somewhere online then put its address (URL) here. If you have a serious suggestion email that pic to me and I'll put it on our server.

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p.s. Did you know that you were the first member of HyeForum? [ April 08, 2001: Message edited by: Garo ]

First of all I'm sorry for posting in a wrong forum but I have no time to post another one. Because of some problems HyeForum will be shut down forever. It has about 24 hours of life. All the members who are interested in getting all the posts on a CD to read the posts later can contact me for payment details. Thank you all Garo [ April 01, 2001: Message edited by: Garo ]

Barely saved their lives PARIS (AP) -- Twenty-one people received hospital treatment after being injured in crowd violence that erupted at a Champions Cup match between Paris Saint-Germain and Turkish club Galatasaray, French police said Wednesday. The injuries were not serious, and none of the 21 people were kept in the hospital overnight, Gerard Dubois, spokesman for the Paris police prefecture, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. Nine people were detained Tuesday, four of them for being drunk in public. Two of the four were Turkish, and the remaining seven people arrested were French, Dubois said. All nine have since been released. Fighting broke out in a seating area where fans from both clubs were located, French sports daily L'Equipe reported Wednesday. PSG's spokeswoman was not available for comment when phone calls were made to her office. PSG won the Tuesday match 2-0 thanks to two goals from Brazilian striker Christian but was already eliminated from the tournament. Despite the defeat, Galatasaray went through to the quarterfinals in second place in Group B behind Deportivo La Coruna. The match was stopped in the 59th minute when a fan with a bloody face wearing a Galatasaray sweater ran onto the field before being accompanied back off by stewards. Other fans tried to enter the field but were held off by security personnel. Players were evacuated from the field a few minutes later as fighting raged in the stands. The match restarted about 25 minutes later, after the violence had died down. Turkish papers accused the French of attacking the Turkish fans, and the French police of not intervening to protect the Turks. "Ugly French!" headlined daily Sabah, while Yeni Safak newspaper described the French supporters as "barbarians!" The Daily Star said the Turkish supporters "barely saved their lives by jumping into the field." It claimed the assailants were French people and French of Armenian origin, linking Tuesday's clashes to the French parliament's decision to recognize the 1915 killings of Armenians under the Ottoman Empire as genocide. "The genocide law wasn't enough. The Armenians provoked again. The French fanatics attacked the Turks. Police just stayed as spectators," daily Milliyet wrote. Ten thousand members of the police, gendarmerie and special riot units were stationed outside the Parc des Princes as the match was considered "high risk," Dubois said. They intervened within the stadium after the incidents began, he said. Security within the stadium is the responsibility of the match organizers and their own security personnel, but police intervene if serious incidents occur. The control and disciplinary body of UEFA, which organizes the Champions Cup, will meet March 21 and consider whether PSG was responsible for allowing the violence to break out. Under UEFA rules, the receiving team is responsible for match security. Violence mars PSG's 2-0 win over Galatasaray PARIS (AP) -- Fan violence marred Paris Saint-Germain's 2-0 victory over Galatasaray Tuesday in what was the Paris club's last match of the Champions Cup. Fighting in the stands at the Parc des Princes forced the match to be stopped for some 25 minutes in the second half as PSG, already eliminated from the tournament, set up the face-saving victory. Turkish side Galatasaray was guaranteed a spot in the quarterfinals before Tuesday's match. The defeat meant it took second place in Group B behind Deportivo La Coruna. Both sides have ten points but the Spanish club takes first place because of better head-to-head results than the Turks. Brazilian striker Christian scored the first of two goals after only three minutes, whipping a left-foot shot diagonally across the penalty area and into the back right corner of the goal. In the visitor's only real goal attempt, striker Emre Bolozoglu broke through the PSG defense only to send his left-foot shot into the arms of 'keeper Lionel Letizi. Collecting a deep shot, PSG striker Laurent Leroy tore through the penalty area before passing from just right of the goal to Christian, who powered the ball into the net a second time in the 27th minute. Galatasaray skipper Gheorghe Popescu was carried off in the 57th minute after pulling up while challenging Leroy for the ball. The match was stopped again two minutes later after a fan with a bloody face walked onto the field before being surrounded by stewards and accompanied back off. Other fans, also apparently from the Turkish fans' seating area, attempted to enter the field but were forced back by security personnel. The players were evacuated from the field a few minutes later as violence raged in the stands between fans, many of whom were armed with poles. It was unclear whether the fighting was between PSG and Galatasaray fans or between fans from the same club. After the teams were brought back on, there was plenty of end-to-end play but virtually no scoring opportunities. Galatasaray, the winner of last season's UEFA Cup, was guaranteed a berth in the quarterfinals after beating five-time champion AC Milan 2-0 last week. Copyright © 2001 CNN/Sports Illustrated

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