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The posts below have been moved here from the Culture Forum. aurguplu --------------------------------------------- raffi, would you please be so kind as to tell me what these phrases mean in armenian: zartnir laow mernim kezi and a bolshaye just curious. i keep seeing them all over the forum and don't know what they mean. thanx a million in advance. regards, -------------------- ali suat

By Ara Baliozian MEA CULPA *********************************** A reader writes: "You have admitted to being fallible but so far you have provided no specifics." Which proves only one thing: You have not been reading me. I have at no time covered up the fact that as an Armenian Catholic I had a quasi-Taliban education (minus Kalishnikovs). I even had a headmaster who could have been bin Laden's twin. I was brought up (make it, brainwashed) to believe all non-Catholics were heretics, misguided fools and hopeless dupes in league with the devil. As an Armenian I was brainwashed to believe the Turks were bloodthirsty savages and the Great Powers (i.e. the West) liars. We Armenians were la creme de la creme. We were smarter, civilized, morally superior. I know better now. I know now that we can't be smarter because again and again we have failed to realize that the source of all our defeats, disasters and tragedies is within us, namely, our tribalism and total absence of solidarity. I know now that we use the Turks and the world the way anti-semites use the Jews, as scapegoats, and having done so we deceive ourselves into thinking we are blameless. I maintain we are nothing of the kind. I further maintain we are not better than most and worst than some. I have said this before and I will say it again: I was wrong most of my life, and if I am wrong now, I wish someone would reason with me and convince me that dogmatism is not synonymous with intolerance, divisiveness is a good thing notwithstanding the Biblical dictum: "A house divided against itself cannot stand" and tribalism and fanaticism a la Taliban a source of strength. And now that I have admitted to having been wrong most of my life, will anything change? But suppose one of our bosses and bishops were to admit fallibility. What a wonderful plot for a science-fiction writer! [ October 24, 2001: Message edited by: Garo ]

quote:Originally posted by Harut: Garik jan , sranits glukh chhani. es incher? Harut jan I guess it is not for everyone but for 'computer guys'. You need to know math, programming and some other things to be able to play this 'game'.

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Edward here's a link how to setup your browser to use armenian font. CLICK HERE But you need to install the armenian fonts before you setup your browser.

You couldn't see the text in armenian in this thread before because it was using default font to show the posts. But I've edited those posts in armenian and now they use Arial AM to show the text. Make sure you have Arial AM installed and your browser is set to use User-Defined encoding.

To read the text in armenian you need to have armenian fonts installed in your computer and also you need to set your browser's encoding to User-Defined. We're using Arial AM and Courier AM fonts in our forum. You can find the fonts here To switch the encoding to User-Defined in Internet Explorer you right-click on the page and from the popup menu select Encoding - User Defined.

Thanks Ali for your note. I updated the information.

quote:Originally posted by Aaron: Don't have the fonts, how to get them, if impossible translate or sum up the message please. good night Aaron you can find armenian fonts we use here After istalling them into your system set your browser's encoding to User-Defined to be able to read in armenian. [ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: Garo ]

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Hello Edward in order to see the posted text in Armenian you need to have some Armenian fonts installed on your computer. We're going to use Arial AM and Courier AM fonts to post messages in Armenian. If you don't have them you can find them here. Install these fonts and try again. [ September 04, 2001: Message edited by: Garo ]

Hello Aghtchik. the new registered users are able to post messages after I approve their registrations. Between their registration and my approval period they can not post messages. Sorry for late answer.

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Another link: http://www.armenians.com/Genocide/bibliography.html

The text below has been moved here from our guestbook ============================================= posted August 31, 2001 21:07 PT susan Email: mommylovesusan@hotmail.com I'm sick and tired of your bad propaganda about my beloved country Turkey..Get over it, this ain't no 1915 it's 2001... Where have you been? You people were'nt even alive when this war happened and all you know is the poison you have been fed by your great grandparents to hate the people and the country that you have never been given a chance to get to know,all you wanna do is spread the HATE! Even jews learned to love Germans and they learned to live with them side by side..I have no problem with Armenians nor greeks,we all share same interests and customs what is the problem that you can't solve ? We even eat the same food for GOD sakes..Why can't we get along ? Why so much Hate? The time has past and things are diffrent now, we are more modern and educated and beyond the primitive way of thinking.. Maybe your parents realized what a GREAT country they have lost to live in and this is their way to get back to us TURKS by misleading their innocent kids telling them a their version of the story not the TRUTH! Whatever truth may be it still hurts,people died ,kids died,women died and i feel bad for all losses not just for you , but for whole world.. Let's stop this insanity let's make a peace ..I'm hurting by the comments and i'm sure your kids not happy seeing negative propaganda about your people ok? I miss Turkey,people,muzik,and the great food where i grew up to love everything about TURKEY!! Look i care less what happened back in 1915 even 1960..I wanna move on to future where we all humans gather and reunite..I want our kids to grow up in a healthy and happy world..I'm tired of hating..I want peace..No more wars..No more starvation..No more murders.no more drugs..Please have a open mind and compassion in your hearts,i know we are all capable of loving and hating but why not live with Peace? I have been living In USA for last 15 years (not by choice) and miss Turkey everyday, iT's the BEST country n the world no matter how you look at it..regardless of economy I love the life that i had in Turkey back when i was a kid..I wished i never grew up and left that clossness i felt with my Turkish family and relatives.. Your comments welcome as long as not vicious and political..GOD Bless all of you! Allah'a emanet olun! ========================================== Turk hater posted September 1, 2001 13:02 PT ---------------------------------- To Susan: Germans apologize to the Jews. Turks did not. Moreover, they continue their denial policies. Unfortunately, 90f the turks support their government toward the denial of the ARmenian genocide. We will continue our struggle for justice until the time when turks will come to their knees and will beg for forgiveness! =========================================== susan Email: momylovesTurkey@hotmail.com posted September 2, 2001 13:03 PT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shame,Shame on you for your comments! Germans actions were well proven and documented in history for their brutal torture and murder on jews ..There is no proof of Turk's doing what you claim, besides Hitler sent Those people to concentration camps and hot burning owens, what worst can it be than that?? Now that was a genocide !apolgy or not both nations has moved on to better things in life and they know there is no use for continue to HATE and remembering the pain they have suffered ,so what is your gain in this hatery propagonda other than waste of time and energy ? what a SHame !! ========================================== For Susan posted September 2, 2001 16:00 PT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What the hell are you doig here you dumb child? You know what, the Armenians can love one another but its kind of hard to love and forgive the turks. Ur ppl. We will never give up the fight. And trust me there is no shame in that. there is shame for your *** to be here though. your giving examples about the germens and the jews, fin ill give you one too! Hitler once said that,If the people dont remember the genocide of the ARMENIANS, they sure wont remeber this one. HUH?? what does your *** have to say no? Get out of here, you waste for socitey. ARMENIANS ARE HERE TO STAY>>AND AS GOD AS OUR WITNESS WE WILL HAVE JUSTICE. Just do everyone here and yourself a favour and step out of our god damn way. Something your ppl never learned to do. ========================================== FOR SUSAN posted September 2, 2001 19:56 PT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Before saying that there's no proof of the ARmenian Genocide, you should do some research on how many countries have the facts & teh documents in their national archives. If you're so interested in it, you can find some of them on the web. You know what, you have no right to come here & tell us that we should forget what happened to us & then say shame on us. Shame on us for not forgetting what happened to us 86 years ago? Shame on us that we're trying to get some justice? Shame on us for not forgetting that some of our great grandparents & even grandparents were cut in pieces by the Turkish government? No honey, shame on your nation that to this day you still deny what you did to us & call us liers. How do u think other governments recognize the genocide? We just ask them & they recognize it? Don't you think we prove them somehow what happened to us? My great grandfather was cut into 4 pieces, so don't you dare to tell me to forget something like that & that i should be ashamed. How many Jews do you see today who have forgetten their Holocaust? You say that they have moved on with their lives, & what makes you think that we haven't? Commemorating our bigest sorrow on april 24th every year & spending a day just remembering what happened to our loved ones means that we haven't moced on with our lives? What kind of a logic is that? Believe me we have moved on with our lives. Nothing can stop us from feeling happy & joy for being alive today. You said that there's no proof that there was a genocide, but have u ever seen the pictures, the films that were shot during that time? Have you ever read at least one eye witness account from not only from Armenians but there were thousands of foreign people from all over the world, who wrote a lot of articles on what the turks were doing to the ARmenians. Have you ever checked out at least one archive of the US newspapers & did see how many articles LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post & Boston Globe published on what was happening in 1915. Well, i'm sure you haven't since you said that there is not proof, but just know that for 60 years we have worked on recognition of the genocide & we haven't failed ever since, & one day we are going to get an answers for 1.5 million innocent lives. Do us favor stop writing your Anti-Armenian comments in here, it's guest book, not a political forum. Do you have any idea what your government is doing to deny the genocide? Don't you dare to accuse us of anything, got it? IF there was no proof of the genocide, you government wouldn't had opened the Turkish archives about 4 months ago & find adocument which stated that there was a massacre of the Armenians but the numbers were changed, but at least the document prooved that there was a massacre. Follow the news & you'll get the picture. If there was no proof then the genocide would not have been proven by most of the scholars & historians all over the world today & it wouldn't have even been published in a historical books. Good luck with the denial, but can't you see that it isn't working?

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SAS I'd suggest you to make a resume and post it on tech job databases first. Then try to participate in the newsgroups and mailing lists about the subjects you have experience and give some good advices to others. I know a few guys who got good job offers this way.

Hmayk this thread is called 'Where do you find a 'good' armo guy ....ONLINE???' Agtchik's reply was about Gayane's opinion about this. Hope you'll get the point now.

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: If you met internet contacts that against your expectations turned out to be 'scary' in real life, I think either you spent too little time online together and maybe in a too superficial manner and/or your (online) judgement of people is wrong or you are just too naive (which on itself is a nice human characteristic i think). I am quite experienced if I may say so and I can assure you that on- or offline, it doesn't make any difference at all. Creeps you will find anywhere. In the end it doesn't matter if he (or she!) was sitting behind a computer or at a bar when you first met him (or her!). To be honest I think it can be safer even to meet people online first before you meet them in real life. What I learned until now (and I am not a teenager anymore ) is that self awareness is very important when it comes to any sort of human relationship, AND the capability to observe. With that and some intelligence you are able to 'understand' and look into a persons soul so to speak (including your own). But this takes time and energy. And unfortunately time seems to be a real problem these days, or rather the lack of it. "no woman with an upcoming ucla degree should be meeting guys online " I am wondering... What's so special about women with an upcoming UCLA degree? Are they somehow superior? No offense meant, but in my opinion that isn't such not a nice attitude. Well, I don't have a UCLA degree. It's a pity that I am not single, because in that case I wouldn't have to worry about the UCLA ladies at least.

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SAS what kind of programming do you do? In what language(s)? Have you submitted your resume to tech job offering web sites? By the way don't expect to get very fast results even if someone will agree to become a sponsor. I have some experience in this. Email me if you need some more information.

Aghtchik I'm sorry to disappoint you but you are the only one who sees the pictures you've posted. It its because the image address points to a place on hard drive. While it works on your computer on others it won't. You need to upload them somewhere on the internet and then link to it.

Dragon as far as I know there are 2 persons posting under this account - father and doughter. I'd suggest you to get separate accounts. I think you don't understand the difference between discussion forums and chat rooms clearly. The reason I added Chat Room feature to our forum is to keep the discussions free of friendly (or not friendly) conversations between the members in the middle of serious discussions. While it'll be interesting to read these discussions even months later you can not say the same about these conversations. For this second case I setup the Chat Room where you can meet with the others and chat. Have you expressed any opinion in your last 10-20 or 30 posts? They are just full of smilies and short comments. Nothing else. But the real problem is that you begin to post such a messages in serious threads as well where no one needs this kind of comments and smilies. And perhaps this is the main reason some of your posts have been deleted. [ August 26, 2001: Message edited by: Garo ]

Hello Aghtchik the Private forum is for administrator and moderators only to discuss questions regarding our forum and our members. As you see there's nothing mysterious.