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yes qurquen you are right, I wonder where has that famous Armenian sense of humor gone, may be in the labyrints of Uncle Sam!!

this is not the reason why I dont cheat,if I wanted to,believe me I will never get cought!!! you should know couple of things about marriage before you commit yourself to it: that your life will change in a dramatic way,that you cannot act after marriage as if though you are still single,you have to adopt yourself to a new lifestyle. still the real change comes after having kids,while the wife is taking care of children the husband will feel abandoned by her,sometimes will even feel nostalgic to the single old days!!many will make this as an excuse to cheat.. as for me, to get over this feeling I compelled myself to help my wife in feeding our son and changing diapers!!!!

from my prespective here is what I think, I am a chess player, usually there are two types of chess players,one who goes the way of deep and long analysis the other uses his intuition. as much as the former is prone to make mistakes in his analysis the later also cannot rely on his intuition alone. Boghos's intuition sugests that the diaspora will dissapear in the long term(he didnt elaborate much further ,he could have meant that all of the diaspora would immigrate back to Armenia!!!) , while on the other hand we have Pirate's deep analysis tries to prove that it is not necessarily so.It is as simple as that ...but the real problem here is that this is not just another game of chess ,when the game is over you forget about it and start another. whatever is written here are read by hundreds or even thousands of individuals,which in a way or another could have the wrong impect on them...

honestly I will not become the prisoner of what statement i made above there,it was most part a sarcastic joke,a joke not with you guys and girls but a joke with my wife as she was beside me when I was typing the above post. when i asked her when she expects that I might cheat on her so that i type it here,her astimation was 25 years but ive added 5 more from my side!!. in married people language ( at least in ours)it means will never take place such a thing as cheating. hyebruin,yes you are wrong,we are not just another married couple , we are so intimate and candid that the days of hurting each other by mere jokes are long gone.I know how much she cares for me and loves me ,and she also knows how much i love and care for her,yes even a bit more than my Roadster car!!( sorry another jock). we discuss every imaginable subject between two of us , no taboos at all , as much so that we dont feel the need to discuss our personal lives with others. trust is the magic word. conclusion pals ,no I dont expect that I will cheat on her not in 30 years nor as long as i live, at least not without her consent or permission( yet another joke!!)

give me a break will you ?I cant satisfy both koko and gevo at the same time,nor i have the intention to.. read my next post..

gevo jan temtations are too strong!! Im afraid I would succumb to it one day. But not before my wife retiers from active duty(my estimation 30 years!!). or, who knows may be I retier before she does !!!!

Anka,I dont know why but I have the feeling that little heart of yours(if you are a female)has been broken by an Armenian guy,and that you hardly resisted yourself from entering the word "Armenian" in your thread title!!. yes why not this forum is the proper place to get things out of your chest. although I could be entierly wrong,my apologies in that case...

sorry, sure, why not,you could be an exception ..or may be there are others too..I didnt know your manhood would be hurt..my appologies again. I was answering to the question why married men look at another women..sorry again if i hurt your feeling. I sure know that most (please notice the word "most")men will not just cross the fine line but even a thick barriers for their "needs"... may be I am the exception here..or may be not for a long time who knows!!

once your career is the army you have to go to hell if uncle sam says so..

Ive been married for 16 years now,my wife is a very beutiful and good looking women,I know she loves me as much as I love her but ,damn ,sometimes I feel that I realy need to restore my self confidance,I want to know if I still got the charm to attract her,so sometimes I put myself into a test,like inducing a female to look at me(the more beutiful the better) or even make her smile!! but never crossing the fine line !! I know it sounds crazy,but than, that's how men are..

great post and powerful words Pirate,

you are married partners, can you make sex (not making love but brute sex)with your own wife like you can do with a stranger? can you do sex with your own husband as you do with a stranger? most men love their wives so much that they think of brute sex as an abusive act towards their wives.this will limit the imagination and enjoyment. making sex , married partners should peel of their identities and put them aside,they must become mere unidentifyed "bodies",no limits no boundries, let the imagination go loose,there must be no scorn if names are shouted imaginative partners brought in!! when you are in that room there are no taboos .but once out ,as if nothing have happened each to his/her normal life. you just cannot afford sex to become a monotone in married life, if you women want to enjoy your married sexual life and keep him away from extramarital adventures let that leash go loose as much as possible from your husbans throat,but beware dont remove it completely!!! by the way all males are geneticaly constructed the same way(even the animals)ethnicity doesnt apply here!!.

Hyebruin, Belive me he wouldnt be pissed of as you might think, -you made the first move talked to him,right? -he most probably will start laughing and try to start a conversation by telling that how beautifull you were and that he was so happy that you noticed him,and that the problem with his appearance was that, he was so busy and just didnt have the time nor the convinience of shaving and you know,how difficult it is for a guy to live alone sleep and wake up alone no female to take care of him..... - of course he will not forget to tell you that if you give him another chance you would be surprised to see a completely different person!! -he will introduce himself as a sweet and important guy that most probably you will be hooked up.. in the evening at home when you meet your friends you will tell them :today i met such a nice and sweet guy and guess what?,I have a date on the weekend...!!!

man will start lieing very soon in life when he first meets his girl and when notice her very untastefull hairstyle controll himself and say :wow what a nice hairstyle!!realising that is what she wants to hear!!.and the chain-reaction of lies starts. very early in life Ive discovered that customers and women needed to hear not necesserily the truth but what pleases them. in marriage it is a bit different if you wanted a happy mariage, youve got to be a good actor,dont missunderstand me does not mean lieing, just acting, wich in time will become part of your caracter. soceity(women in particular)is more tolerant to people who have the Looks,Money,manner , thanks god gave me ubundent of these so it was relatively easy for me,but those who lack any of these factors will make up by pretention. because it is the society who demands that.

Sasun,and what do you think you are doing if not preaching?to repeat the same argument over again is Preaching in any dictionary!! if preaching is alienating in your opinion, then why you think you are not alienating people like me or us,now if you dont care,the feeling is mutual.

what a strange concept, if preaching ones own identity and culture is beeing taken as to alienate somebody else of the same kind, so be it !.

I dont think anybody was playing the role of a leader here ,this is a forum and everyone is intitled to express himself/herself,if some did it forcefully that doesnt mean he was playing leadership. If you were expecting from many of us not to respond to Ankara's and Boghoses offensive against our soul existence you were mistaken. in that respect AP did a great job with his analysis ,it was a joy to read, I think TB with his short but efficient remarks also excelled. frankly I've expected appreciation rather than criticism.

you may understand your culture,but you need to have a FEELING for your identity,or one may end up like Boghos and Anka.

Damn, how did I come across this thread,I am Lebanese where tabule has originated ,and didnt test one since few months,very unussuall, just mentioning its name to my wife she threw away her cello and ran to the kitchen,thanks for the hint , by the way you are all invited!!

she knows very well as Blair and his goverment does that it qualifies not just as mere Genocide but as the mother of Genocides!! But they just dont have the balls to admit,British are always intimidated by muslims and turks.

there is a town in Lebanon is called Zghorta,the inhebitents are Christian maronites,their family names are armenian,these are Armenian soldiers who came escroting the crusaders to the middle east hundred of years ago,after their mission was over they were stuck here with no means of returning home. you know why?may be you dont know ,its a big secret,because there were no Telephone they could contact back home,there were no airplanes,no internet no TV if you look around the time has changed,you cannot compare the situation of certain comunities hundreds of years ago to our time,unless you mind is living in that period. do you think it is a "simple"matter to drive a whole diaspora into extinction?!! may be for you but not for most of us.

I also decided not to post here but had to say this. They are people like Armenian piarate that will carry the torch. both from me my wife and many friends who are reading this posts we are proud to have intelectuals like you within us. although we suspect that you are older than you claim!!! H.B

what about history ?we are here arent we?or may be you are not!! in Lebanon 3% of mail armenians get married to locals in contrast to 20% of the femals!!. I attribute this to a "glut" of Amenian females. I would like to target this question to Armenian Pirate, although I support most of his views: I made a research in my direct vicinity and discovered that the number of Armenian females outnumberd the Armenian males 2-1 !! now what do you think these surplus should do,you must know poligami is illigal !!. they cant sit and wait for the non-coming Armenian bride,so when a female is over 20 she is jumping to the lap whoever comes by. and it bleeds my heart that we are loosing them , Yes Pirate I cannot see a solution to this fenomina. my only hope is that they would be good Armenian mothers,which is not the case at all most of the time.

what Boghos says is realy disheartening and an insult to many people like me. my grandfather came to Lebanon exactly 123 years ago much before the Chart, when he came here he spoke Armenian ,latin and turkish,as soon as he settled down started looking for an Armenian family which were very rare then. he found one and got married with their daughter,had 4 children,my father beeing one of them, due to hard living conditions my father had to go to work early in age and didnt have the chance to go to school. He got married to another great armenian lady my mother,they had 4 kids ,I one of them we all went to Armenian schools learnt Arabic,French, English And Armenian languages. my son is also following my steps,and the way he is brought up his children will for sure. now the words that kept on coming to my mind was the following: Im glad Boghos was not my Grandfather!!. Why do you think we shall desepear?are you following your own logik of events?being realistic? there is no logik in history.!! why do you think cant there be a rverse effect. you may never know when the wheel of the fashion may turn and people start seeking their origin roots!!tiered of Holliwoodian artificial culture ,this have happened many times in history ,the last beeing in Iran, Im sure you can find another examples too. I have a summerhouse at a village 35km away from the Capital Beirut,on a hilltop where we spend the summer and sometimes the weekends,when there ,I watch the Immigration of birds in flocks of hundreds and thousands,at sunset they land to a nearby forest of our house and rest for few days ,and again start their journey. Many of them stay in the forest and prefer to settle there!!some of them even get shot by ruthless Lebanese hunters. year after year I watched them pass by ,some retier in the forest,but always there were others that continued the journey. I think there is a resemlence to us ,many will retier down the road,as you said the hardcore will go on as always. the way you are acting is like a suicide bomber :if I will die let take with me as much fellows as possible,or else what is the purpose of this kind of disheartening posts?!!!

Once I was told by a friend that Georgia took advantage of every single Armenian misery. Stalin was a Georgian or i'm mistaken?