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Yeah, they were "Arab Armenains" before now they are "African Armenians". In a few years from now you will see Armenians using ebonics and claiming it is Armenian in origin.

HAHA...Armenians wouldn't understand nationalism if it bit the min the ass what makes you think they give a rats ass about the Armenian military? The best tactic for Armenians is to escape to other countries and protest the ill treatment of Armenians. Furthermore, most Armenian think they are losers, so, don't even bother trying to convince them that they must strenghten Armenia because in their heads they have already lost.

TERRORIST! Well, that is cool, but make sure other Armenians do not see your flag or else you will be labeled a primitive nationalist with no girlfriend and no life.

By the way, my friend was Persian.

ArmenSarg, I just critisize Israel because at every corner they stick the holocaust in my face and sorry if it sounds repeative. Anyways, I have given up trying to convince the opposition. They have been sucked into the Jewish camp already, so, why bother.

No, Bellthecat, there are studies that show the reason African Americans are in the lower socio-economic bracket is because in their history they are slaves, thus, will always amount to being slaves. If you would like I will give you the link to a PBS speical on this. Furthermore, if Armenia's enemies wanted success they were routing for the Armenains like yourself that were against the Karabagh war because they did not think Armenains could win against Azeris. It is because of intellectual and worthless Armenians like yourself that we have become a mere shadow of ourselves. IN order to save yourselves you will sell out your country and that is exactly what has happend to Armenians. Anyways, my point is that if Armenains think they are inferior and losers then that is what they will be. Why is it that the German people can rise up from the ashes of WW1 and WW2, but yet Armenians are still stuck in this limbo? The only reason is that Germans are nationalistic and have self respect. Just recently my friend went to Germany and because he looked like a Turk he was not allowed to enter nightclubs, but if it was Armenia the Turk would have entered the nightclub and most likly would have walked out with a Armenian girl. Nationalism is what fuels the hunger of a nation and its people.

When did I say it has to do with Sudan or the genocide? I have said many times and am against "helping" Sudan. Shiner, by your logic Americans are trying to make themselves "feel good" by continueally bragging about how they "saved the French"? Are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that America is the most of "modern" in their ideology? Yes, technologicaly they are "modern", but outside of that they are more primitive. They use 3 times as much resources as China and have the worlds largest obessity rate. If you think this is what "modernity" is about then your as ignorant as I thought. Anyways, why bother, I will most likly be banned or somthing.

HAHA...what is so funny is how the U.S. and UK, day in and day out, talk about how the War in Iraq is “spreading” freedom. THEY CAN BROADCAST their superiority and it is deemed ok, but yet when an Armenian does it he is a “nationalist”. They make dropping bombs on innocent people a good thing, but yet when an Armenian describes how Armenians have a rich history he is castrated by the very Armenian that he patronizes. It is truly tragic how Armenians think they are losers. It almost gets me to a point where I do not want to even associate with Armenians because if you are my fellow Armenian then I do want to associate myself with a loser. If you think you are a loser then you will automatically become a loser.

When did I say I was unhappy about our current identity? EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM IS ANTI ARMENIAN! What good is caring about Armenia if you do want to claim what is rightfully yours? No, my so-called friend you are the one that is pathetic because automatically you think you are a loser and frankly, most Armenians are losers like you.

Yeah, your right shiner it is the worlds most primitive country.

Nairi, if you want Africans to come to Armenian just make it a socialist country then you will get boat loads of Africans. Hell, we all need to marry Africans to be "ahead of everyone else". EVERYONE START PUMPING OUT BLACK BABIES!

HAHA...behing humble is that what your "vets" friends are calling it now? Please, this entire topic is the reason why Armenians through time have always gotten the short end of the stick. It was not because of the invading armies that Armenia fell, it was because Armenains canabalize their own and sold them out for otars. Yeah, anything Armenian is primative. In fact in Armenia they have no idea what the "modern world" is about.

HAHA...yeah...they are ahead. For 500 years their parents resisted mixing with Persians for the shear fact of "preserving" themselves, but yet over here it is "ok" to marry outside the culture. Futhermore, instead of socially progressing they are in social decline. Yeah, they are ahead.

Yeah, I am sure you would know.

Yeah, I am sure this is what all Armenians need to do. I weap for Armenia and Armenians if you are the type of Armenian that our youth looks up to you. Hell, its all going to shit, so, I think you should read this book: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0963932942.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Yeah, the "white man" is bringing the "black man" down. Please, give it a rest. You guys get more benefits then the "white man" and if anyone needs to complain it is the "white man".

Ara, Armenians are a gullible group of people that can be conquered with a song and dance routine. You have Armenians that are more willing to accept the company of anyone else besides an Armenian. They are so jaded and devoid of any nationalism to the point of castrating any Armenian that speaks for Armenia.

Yeah, Armenians need to stop bragging about themselves. They are subhuman, thus, are a marginalized group of people who have been slaves for Greeks, Persians, and Turks. The rest of the world can inflate their egos, but yet Armenians are supposed to be the “vetses”. IN fact now fellow Armenians are promoting the “victim” and “slave mentality” like Nairi. I.E. “oh Armenians need to stop pretending like they are important”. Well, if this is the attitude then to be honest why need enemies? I mean might as well just agree with western historians and just state that Armenians were a primitive group of people. Again, notice the castration of Armenian nationalism and nationalists.

You are pathetic. The rest of the world can relish in nationalism, but yet when a Armenian tells history how it is you start castrating him. AH, keep up the good work.

OH sorry I thought the topic was about how the AG issue is being used as a politcal tool?

Israels moves on the other hand are VERY political and I dearly hope Armenians do not fall victim to them by trusting them. Israel as we speak is looking for another geopolitcal alliance, but since everyone accept Turkey mistrust them they are trying to "rebuild" ties. This is when Armenains and Armenia have a leverage and if they were smart they would ignore Israel and isolate her along with Turkey. Both are in the frying pan and now are selling each other out for hand outs.

They are going to use the AG to keep Turkey out of the EU and no I do not think it is a politcal move. If Turkey joins the EU and the AG is resolved then Turkey will also turn to the EU for any sort of compensation, so, before Turkey can join the EU it must resolve its problems with the Armenians and the Kurds.

Nairi, sorry, but I do not agree with you. Just because Iran or Armenia is not as developed does not mean that they are "behind on the times". This is the kind of attitude that is only prevalent among Americans in that they think that everything revolves around America. So, by your logic a Japanese person has a right to assume that Americans or Europeans are a "backwards" people because Japan is 10 years ahead in technology? No, of course not, but Americans compared with the populations of the rest of the world are not that "morally" and "socially" superior. If some Armenians act the way they do it could be expected or some how explained, but American and European society is morally degenerated far beyond any Armenian. Sorry, but I just do not like the fact that you automatically think Armenians are inferior because they have not absorbed western culture. In fact I am glad they still do not have Monopoly because once it is exported to Armenia and Iran you will also so other degenerative parts of American culture exported as well.

Gurgen, I have critisized Armenians as much as any other group of people, but you have to admit this board is pretty socially and politically liberal. Furthermore, some of the moderators are Anti-Armenian and by the way, I was not refering to you.

Maral, but you got to admit most Armenians from Middle-Eastern Countries have taken in a lot of foreign culture. However, a lot of Armenians from Armenian are Russophiles; so, to say this problem is not universal one is a bit inconsistent.