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this is to funny not to share, finaly sighns that makes perfect sense

Because theories(s) of evolution is present and very strong in us. Driving force you might say.

But why see evolution as such a bad understanding and as a fact? Everything you see around you evolves and is subject to an evolution/change (in a broader sense). I can’t think of anything which is immune to an evolution, even religions. Among so many religions in this world and same time as much many versions of creation.

Thothik Well maybe a bee, but certainly not little you dog

Sasun if it was up to me I would move woman’s day to March 22nd the first day of spring, I think woman and blooming flowers and trees have much in common, As it starts to worm up the air is filed with smells of flowers and changing the river start flooding the valleys and crop lands, as it progresses into April its well spooned and life is starting to take place, by now you start seeing spring in a full action, changing the landscape and its getting ready to embrace what is about to come as know the circle of life. and once again, Life is on the way. you guys feel free to add

I want to ask the moderation team please to move this article above to a proper thread I apologies for my mistake

This is an interesting artical and opinion expressed from a member of a Turkish deligation. The Armenian Genocide at the Stockholm Forum STOCKHOLM (Armenpress)--During the last plenary panel of the Stockholm International Forum on the Prevention of Genocide, which ended on Wednesday, heads of state delegations addressed the theme, “Next Steps toward Genocide Prevention.” The panel covered those genocides that have occurred during the last 15 years, in plain view of the civilized world. The Armenian Genocide of 1915, however, was an inescapable part of speeches. The defense minister of Cyprus noted that the undertaking to prevent future genocides can begin only with the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. Greece’s foreign minister stressed the importance of recognizing genocides at the highest state level in order to prevent reoccurrences, and said that with Greece’s 1995 recognition of the Armenian Genocide, France followed suit, paving the way for other countries. Professor Samantha Power, one of the panelists in the plenary session “Identifying the Threats,” spoke of the historical, social, and religious parallels of genocides, referring to the Armenian Genocide as a main source. University of Stockholm University professor Lex Hansson noted that the issue of the Armenian Genocide must consistently be kept alive and referred to, because similarities exist at the root of all such crimes. Professor Ayse Akyel from Turkey’s Bogazici University, and a member of the Turkish delegation at the Forum, told Armenpress that establishing an international day to commemorate genocide victims would be an effective measure in overall efforts to prevent repetition of such crimes by raising general awareness. Asked by an Armenpress correspondent about Armenian Prime Minister Andranik Margarian’s suggestion at the Forum that the United Nations declare 2005 as the "Year of Struggle Against Wars, Genocides, Deportations and Violation of Human Rights," Akyel responded: "I do not think that the year of 2005 has anything to do with what happened in 1915 [2005 marks the 90th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide]. Akyel said that Armenians and Turks have to seek to establish good neighborly relations, not look to the past, as do Armenians in the Diaspora, who fail to realize the importance of normal relations between Turkey and Armenia. "They are talking about the facts of the past, but we have to look in future," he said, adding that constant accusations on both sides simply help to foster hatred. Another conference participant Payam Akhavan, a former member of the International Court of Justice, told Armenpress that the failure of governments to condemn the Armenian genocide led to the systematic annihilation of Jews by the Nazi Germany. "By acknowledging the 1915 genocide, Turkey would make a step forward to democracy and get rid of its burden of past."

here is an interesting artical about/origins of IAN ending. THOSE STRANGE SOUNDING ARMENIAN FAMILY NAMES Have you ever thought about the meaning of "ian"? Most Armenian names end in "ian" or "yan," meaning the "son of ," but some Diaspora Armenians have changed these endings to blend in their host societies. Today in Turkey "oglu" often replaces "ian," while Russian Armenians may change the endings to "ov"; e.g., Gary Kasparov, Serge Parajanov. A name ending in "ian" is not always exclusively Armenian, since the ending can also be occasionally found in names in Irish, Persian, English, Philippine and some other cultures. Armenian last names generally fall into five specific categories: Aristocracy, Parent, Geography, Occupation or Trait. Aristocracy The ancient Armenian aristocracy ("Nakharar" class) was derived from Parthian-Persian stock and many of their names ended in "uni" or "ooni." Most of these families were destroyed over the centuries but some still survive today; e.g., Sasuni, Rshtuni. Parent Many Armenian names are derived from the first names of an ancestor,; e.g., Davidian, "son of David," Stepanian, "son of Stepan," or Krikorian, "son of Krikor/Grigor." Until the 19th century, virtually all first names had a religious origin, so most of those last names are also religious. Geography Some last names are based on geographic origin and end in "lian" (Turkish) or "tsian" (Armenian). Typical examples are Sivaslian "from Sivas," Urfalian "from Urfa" and Vanetzian "from Van." These names were typically given to an immigrant who migrated from a different region of Armenia. Obviously everyone living in Marash would not call himself or herself "Marashlian". Occupation Most last names were taken from the professions of an ancestor. These names frequently originated with the tax collectors who needed to identify all individuals for tax purposes. Typical examples are Najarian "son of a carpenter," Arabian "son of a wagon/ teamster," and Vosgarichian "son of a goldsmith." Many of these occupations are not Armenian, since the tax man (typically a Moslem Turk, Persian, Arab, etc.) would use his own native word for the occupation; e.g., the name Boyajian is based on the Arab/Turkish term "boyaji" "one who dyes." Trait The most confusing and curious names are those based on some trait of an ancestor. Typical examples are Topalian “son of the cripple,” Dilsizian “son of the tongueless one,” or Sinanian “son of the spearpoint.” Many of the origins of these names are unclear unless one understands the original context. As an example, Dilsizian indicates that an ancestor had his tongue cut out by the Turks for using the Armenian language, while the term “Sinan” was a slang term applied to somebody either with a very erect military-like carriage or who was “hung like a horse.” Some of these traits are not physical, but rather reflect personality or social status; e.g., Melikian “son of the king” or Harutunian “son of the resurrection.” The name Harutunian could be based on an ancestor named Harutune (so-named because he was born around Eastertime), or adopted by a convert to Protestantism to show his status as a “born-again Christian.” Many last names today have been shortened or modified to aid pronunciations by non-Armenians; e.g., the name "Mugerditchian/ Mkrtichian" becomes "Mugar," "Husseniglian," becomes "Hewsen," and "Samourkashian" becomes "Samour." These abbreviated names often drop the "ian" ending, and are not immediately identifiable as being Armenian to an outsider. The name categories of Occupation and Trait can differ significantly between Eastern Armenians and Western Armenians, since the eastern names often have Persian, Georgian or Russian roots, while the western names may have Turkish, Arab, or Greek roots. Names with the prefix "Der" or "Ter" show that one of the ancestors was a "Der Hayr" (a married parish priest), a position of great social status among Armenians; e.g., DerBedrosian, Ter Petrosian. The study of Armenian Names is a fascinating exercise, since virtually every aspect of the culture is reflected in names. There have been extensive studies of Armenian names in the Armenian language, but little has appeared in English and many Armenians (born outside of Armenia) do not understand the significance of their own names. http://www.armenianheritage.com/faname.htm

pardon my ingnorance, but what is a bum?

Your words made me remember those wise words once someone said Things are not what they are, but what they appier to be. And that’s not only thing (money) people are after NOW days, you must of had a hypocrite stand when you visited. However lack of money is a root of all evil. And Armat I just can’t understand one thing, well I do but I refuse to go along with same logic as some people do. In 13 years of independence aren’t we asking too much from the country? And what is the "input" if any, of those same people who have such a rubbish view of fellow Armenians or Armenia. One thing it seems clear, well at list to me, that is we as a nation have a loooong way to go and far more important issues to solve, rather then worry about giving the capital a face lift. Steve, you want to appreciate beauty? Go to Rome or Paris, or wait when Yerevan is more suitable for your aristocratic eyes. <_<

Arpa, As I was surfing thru Armenian mythology links on the net, came across this site. Take a look I think everyone should look into this. Very interesting indeed! http://www.armrockart.nt.am/index.htm

you said it right sasun rock and roll is more sutable when it comes to sex, jazz? I have to be in a special mood for jazz, alone at home after work with a drink and kick my feet high and just enjoy it, not sex, but i agree with Armen jazz is not what it used to be, not like miles davis or armstrong, fitsgerald or nat king cole, a lot of it just floots thru me and I really dont understand what it is. in boston we went to this old church on new years eve. It was Bach and Jazz sort of a production. 3 players and nothing reminded me of Bach. Just dident get it.

are there anybody who heard last names like? Dzvakerian Shanporikian Sekserian and the most wirdest them of all this guy next door to my business whos last name is POZIGiAN. no joke really

some place names of Armenia, origins..............very interesting http://www.tacentral.com/mythology.asp?story_no=9 Myths include the naming of cities and regions in Armenia beginning with Haik and continuing through his offspring. Thus Haik's son Armenak, who went northeast of the land of Haik (Van), settled in 'a valley surrounded by huge mountains with rivers flowing from the west, the waters gushed forth from under rocks at the foot of the mountain, and joined together into rivers. The high mountains were snow-covered in the sun.' Armenak settled in the valley and developed its northern end. He gave the tallest mountain, 'which was youngest among the others', the name Aragats, and the city at its base Aragatsotn (the foot of Aragats). Armenak had a son named Aramais, who built a city called Armavir on the banks of a river he named Yeraskh (a Persian corruption of Arax). Aramais' son Amassia, settled in Armavir, and had three sons, Paroyr, Gegham and Kholagh. The latter two had cities at the foot of Ararat named after them. Amassia also gave the name "Massis" to Mt. Ararat. Gegham had a son (they all had sons) named Armai. Leaving his son (they all leave their sons) at Armavir, Gegham went north to a land next to a lake (Sevan) and there built a city (Lechashen). He called this city Gegh, and gave the lake his own name (Geghamalich). There, his son Sissak was born, who became renowned for his nobility, pride and dignity, as well as for his strength, eloquence and skill as an archer. Gegham gave him many possessions and slaves. Together with lands that stretched from the sea east of his country to the valley where the river Yerash (Arax) descended in fury after having cut through the mountains into forested straits. Sissak settled there, giving it the name of Siunik. Gegham returned to the valley at the foot of the mountain. He built a city on the steep slopes and named it Geghama after himself. This city was later called Garni after his grandson Garnik. To Gegham's son Armai, Aram was born. Aram's martial prowess was admired by all in his realm, and his fame spread throughout the land; it was a tribute to him and his skill sin subjugating his enemies that his people were called Armenians and their country Armenia.

Thank you Arpa I often wondered why do we have/had so many words beginning with AR, I think members here also might want to get acquainted with our past, Myths/Facts, and origins of our people, so I came across this web site I like to share with you. The first god in Armenia was one of the language’s first sounds, ‘AR’, which means sun or light. As the source of life, the sun became equated with power and the supreme god. Ararat is mentioned as early as ca. 6000 BC in the Sumerian epoch poem Gilgamesh, as the land of the mountains where the gods live. The word Ararat can be divided into three words: AR-AR-AT. AR-AR being a plural form or all encompassing god; ‘AT’ being an archaic version of the Armenian word ‘hat’, which means ‘a piece of’. Thus Ararat meant ‘a piece of gods, or a piece of creation. Early symbols for gods are closely connected with astral symbols. The first use of the sacred swastika and cross are found in ca. 20,000-15,000 BC inscriptions in the Geghama Mountain Range. Carvings dating back to ca. 8500 BCE show symbols associated with astronomy, giving them a god like prominence: the sun, moon, and constellations were thought to be deities in themselves, and astral occurrences such as an eclipse or a comet were considered communication from the gods. By the 5th millennium BC, Ancestral Armenians combined sun worship with sophisticated astronomy. They are now credited with assigning the constellations of the zodiac their design and names, and creating one of the first solar calendars based on 365 days in the year. Also around the 5th millennium BC a series of Vishaps (Dragon Stones) began to be erected on mountainsides throughout Armenia, near water sources. At first resembling fish (dragons in Armenian were thought to be huge fishlike creatures, something like a cross between a whale and a gigantic squid), the monolithic stones were later carved with snakes, the heads of beasts, swastikas and crosses. Around 3000 BC, Ancestral Armenians had created a specific iconography and pantheon of the gods. The Armenian gods were still centered on the worship of the sun, but by the Urartian period, they resembled Mesopotamian and Egyptian deities based on animal-human combinations. Human deities emerged during the Armenian Hellenistic period. Though bearing remarkable likeness to Greek gods and goddesses, which first gave speculation as to their Greek origins, it is now thought that many of the Greek gods are actually inherited from Ancestral Armenian sources, with some coming from as far away as India. The heroic legends of Hercules, for example, were first attributed to the legend of the Armenian king-god Haik in the 3rd millennium BC. Pantheon of Armenian gods The Armenian god or goddess is listed with the Greek equivalent deity in parenthesis. Aramazd (Zeus) - The father of all gods and goddesses, the creator of heaven and earth. The first two letters in his name, "AR" is the Indo-European root for sun, light, and life. Aramazd was the source of earth’s fertility, making it fruitful and bountiful. The celebration in his honor was called Am'nor, or New Year, which was celebrated on March 21 in the old Armenian calendar (also the Spring equinox). Anahit (Artemis) - The goddess of fertility and birth, in early period she was the goddess of war. By the 1st c. BCE she was the main deity in Armenia. Nuneh (Athena) - The goddess of wisdom, common sense, motherhood and protector of the home, keeper of the family. Vahagan (Hephaestus) - The god of thunder, clouds and fire. Comes from "Vah" -god, "Agne" - fire. Vahagan is the constellation Orion. Astghik (Aphrodite) - The goddess of love and beauty, symbolized by skylight. She was the wife or lover of Vahagan, the god of fire and metal. She was also the goddess of water. The celebration in her honor occurred in mid June and was called Vardevar. It is still celebrated in Armenia by pouring water on unsuspecting passersby. Ara Geghetsik- "Ara the Beautiful’- the god of spring, flora, agriculture, sowing and water. He is associated with Isis, Vishnu and Dionysus, as the symbol of new life. Haik - a king, but in legend the father of Armenia. He slew the Babylonian god Bel, which in history was Nemruth, the Babylonian king described in the bible as attempting to build the tower of Babel. Haik’s armies invaded Babylon, and establish the kingdom from which Armenians claim their heritage. The legend of Haik is the forerunner of the legend of Hercules. Tsovinar, Nar - The goddess of water, sea, rain. She was a fire creature, who forced the rain and hail to fall from the heavens with her fury. Vanatur - the god of hospitality and bountiful hosts. Tir (Apollo) - the god of literature, science and art, also an interpreter of dreams. Tork Angegh (Aries) - the god of power, bravery, war, the military. Aralez - One of the oldest gods in the Armenian pantheon, Aralez was a god in the form of a dog, whose powers included the ability to resurrect the dead by licking wounds clean. http://www.tacentral.com/mythology.asp?story_no=2

ExtraSweetiehye happy birthday Jan

Ok then, next mount, Halls Kitchen in NY sound ok to you? And by the way I will wager you on oysters

I have that kind of sensual relationship with food, sushi in perticular

If you bother to do a little research you nitwit, you wouldn’t have posted such a stupid question. And where did the Turk come from, harems? Now FO you imbecile

Well, I wouldn’t call it disturbing, more like he was very touched/moved by the event that took place here in los angeles couple of years ago, and thank you for the complement, Davit is a very creative and/yet very sensitive. The poem was his way of expressing what he felt. He has written many other poems since then and I have to ask his permission, again, to post them here. Davit is my son

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Davit 11 years old The piercing of the Moon The light of a bright angel flashes beneath her eyes so she laughs and laughs, but you will never see her cry death must never attend to scare her, she is one with it she has experienced the feeling with the scrapings on her tombstone she will loose her body but never she has the chance to loose her faith she is a small toddler confused and young, she never understood the damages from a gun so as the clock struck zero she began to gasp dropping the last tear as you have seen from her past she got struck with no air, no breathe, no sign with what’s wrong 10 seconds later her parents thought she was gone she is a pretty angel only 3 years old she never had the chance to live on her own with the last breathe she attended to take, she saw a beautiful light she couldn’t believe her sight, she started to giggle she had no clue everything was so perfect what did she do? This a is sick place for a young girl to grow up. The society has by far been toured a part so for every beautiful angel with a crushed heart I donate this poem from the bottom of my heart

abris lao shnorakalem

Sasun are you against tests as well? let me ask you a personal question please, your wife is pregnant 4 weeks or 6, and there are wide range of tests to be done to determine if the baby is normal/healthy, and tests come back positive (not normal) means baby is going to be spending rest of his/her life handicapped and mentally retard state, not to mention your sufferings what action would you take in that case, I think my question is valid and interesting to know what your answer is going to be. And don’t you think abortion in this case would be the most humane thing to do? Sorry for being so blunt