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And how do you suggest we do that? I for one suggest writhing and making our voices heard in this issue, after all we were able to achieve much more over the years as Diaspora, in so many much more important issues concerning Armenians such as acceptance and recognition of AG, and for this as an example, if for a moment a Nation can/would unite, possibilities are endless, we just have to put our ideological differences aside and devote just fraction of our energy into this cause, and many such issues, I think this dual citizenship is just a test and small but essential hurdle to overcome, thus leading into "unification" and harmony leading "one nation one cause" mentality

Gemavor, as usual I find this and most of your most posts to be most "enlightening" and entertaining. as for being circumcised and at home in US, could you expend any further on this please?

I don’t think so, in contrary time is against us, as far as US and neaocon polices concern, it all depends on hand over of "June 30th deadline" re-election of Bush is an insurance to move ahead with and uncover "unexplored" agendas of this administration, and no surprised Baku is in a list for exploration and further expansion

Its ironic, for decades and centuries Armenian nation had a dream of independence, I always say and still do, give it a chance and it will thrive and prosper, I’m a strong believer in that, but, an issue as simple as dual citizenship, and I don’t know any other nation in this planet who championed so much or had dreams of one beautiful day have a right to call them self’s as one united people, for this same reason lack of progress from government of ROA as simple as (for example what Boghos stated) lack of adequate response or a solution. Do we blame an ordinary Diasporas for staying away or lack of involvements in Armenia? Wishful thinking maybe, but I for one can and welcome to see a “rose revolution” enough is enough!

for that and similar reasons they should start initial drafting and outline conditions such as you mantioned it, just simply ignoring the issue is stupid and counterproductive for ROA

Maybe 3 or 4 at most, but he is addressing a very important issue in that article, and I believe its just an exercise to lack of power sharing, and eventually if granted, Diaspora bears lots of weight and can make a serious deference, not in just in financial contributions but in every sector, I wondered for a long time and its obvious "lawmakers" meanwhile are overlooking this very fact “lav tghaner” are just busy getting bigger belts and mansion building, and continuation of this kind of stand, eventually is going to disappoint lots of Disappearance who are enthusiastic and willing/eager to contribute. Fresh blood and new approaches, that is essential for Armenia now days. For which it’s a bit hard to find in ROA at present, and present times are crucial to insure for her survival

DIASPORA IS THE ARMENIAN OIL ”Georgia has a sea, Azerbaijan has oil, and we have a Diaspora. Neither the first president, nor the present Authorities or Opposition profited by its potential”, Armen Zatikyan, USA’ “Justice” Bloc member said during the telephone conversation with us. He is concerned about the state indifference towards Diaspora: ”Robert Kocharyan means ARF when saying Diaspora but the Armenians in Diaspora are neglected”. Zatikyan says that Diaspora is remembered only during the TV-Marathons. ”We all know where the money goes to. Diaspora is treated like a milch cow”. Mr Zatikyan voiced discontent over the Constitution in force, which deprives the Armenians in Diaspora of the chance for dual citizenship. He cited the example of Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili who granted the Georgians all over the world citizenship of Georgia. ”We are the only nation in the world to have 5 times more compatriots all over the world than residing in the homeland. It’s just a high treason not to use that potential”. Armen Zatikyan also says that the state was to spend millions for education of the Armenian people abroad. Now they are multimillionaires, educated and skilled ones but they can’t serve their homeland. ”At present 2 million Armenians reside in USA. If every day each Armenian takes a dollar out of his pocket, it will be possible to support the homeland by $ 2 million daily. If each of them saves 10 $ Armenia will monthly prosper by $ 600 million. But no one takes us and our rights into consideration”. Mr Zatikyan obliges Opposition to mention Diaspora in the programs. ”Opposition has gained 93% of votes from USA. We now demand to join for democracy and releasing power from those who seized it. Why doesn’t Opposition reckon with the Commune? ”. http://www.tipsto.com/world-radio-tv/armenia.htm

Tata did what, sing the song or "khlvlal qu doshin"?

hay joxovrtakan klasic yerajshtutyun e da Sip jan. himnakanum yerqumen tund siraharvatsner@ yev moderators

speaking of Armenian music, Sip have you heard the song avlem tapem poshin ha?

AP, I have to say I agree with you in principal, however lagging behind and preservation of ones identity here is Diaspora as well as in Armenia has lot more to do with lack of progressiveness in our almost every sector of culture, society, that is the list to say, I echo you your own lines, sex and human sexuality, yes its taboo and not discussed in Armenian families, and for many here, and in our daily life’s its a very sensitive topic to discuss, in all fairness, its safe to say for a woman in this case Armenian woman you to have to agree the urge for fulfillment of that reality (desire), at list she or he can talk to there parents, and parents in there part be open minded regarding this. for which its seems to be a humongous task to achieve sad to say, and I hardly think for some of us here just to post and point out the causes for it (assimilation) are going top solve this "problem

Duk es temperov karoxe nayev koffe el xmeq heto el bajak nayeq ha?

Sasun jan, it may not be as costly as you think, I have a good conections in Armenia and my freinds over there will do it for almost free, that is to print it, possibilites are there only got to know what Domino says. I had that in mind before i posted my idea, freind of mine, poet ESTER DAVITIAN she will help, Samvel Sevada, or Stepan Topchyan, maybe traslation will be involved, I will handel small costs

gevo, as I mentioned in my post, his works have to do with ARMENIAN GENOCIDE, in case you missed it, if you would have taken time to study what he has done and how much timeless affords he has put on during years, as I can see you haven’t even have a slightest idea of what I’m saying, your response hardly qualify for me as SERIOS RESPONS, now, go back and think for a wile before you quote me, I tell you this as me being twice you age, and you shouldn’t say something because you MUST say them, this is not a pissing contest, so get the hell out of my face!!! So much for you and yours alike accomplished by bringing quality of this forum to what it is now.

As I recall, Domino had mentioned some day his extensive work (Armenian genocide) will be published, so, why not make this a reality, a hyeforum project, Domino jan I hope you are not against it, forumers, I like to know what do you think, publishing a book may be the best project we collectively can undertake, among others as well of course. Since this tread is still open for suggestions, I thought I bring this to your attention, I’m sure there is a financial issues involved, well financial sponsorship may be a great help to Domino for completing/publishing this book What do you people think? Azat? And please only serious responses

Sasun I think drinking urine comes from Hindu traditions/remedies, and it’s very widely in use thru out the world and very common among Armenians as well. Now, does anyone remember when someone coughs a "kapuyt haz"? And the only "cure" came from "eshi kat" Strange, but I think most of those remedies demonstrate mind over maters, now what does raw chicken has to do with broken finger?......... xash , now that’s a deferent story yezan lezu konyak u kat txtmor havi tsert (for growing hair) and so on

Is this Siamanto from Panamanian forum??, well, nice to see you here, by all means join us here its lot friendlier and fun I was recently in Germany and I never came real close to Turks as I did in those few days, I saw a lots of low life’s in my lifetime, but those people are just disgusting and dirty, Munich being a city of 1.5 million there is about 500k Turks living there. What’s amazing is German tolerance to that fact, basically they are the land lords of the city with mosques and "cultural centers" (what an oxymoron that is) everywhere. Welcome Siamanto Regards

Somehow with your submissive approach I only see you becoming a puppet to a puppet (the British) I don’t see THAT as a way of getting massage across, what else you propose???, Come up with a sensible alternative or just zip it, we don’t need another critic among us, only with united, collective approaches like that will we be able to achieve peaceful solution. By the way welcome to hyeforum

I like to start a tread and start a discussion of who and how much does one know who the real driving force is behind current US foreign policies, by saying this I like to bring your attention to this article and get familiarized with the topic. ******************************************************************** Neocon 101 Some basic questions answered. What do neoconservatives believe? "Neocons" believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire. Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action. Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough on defense and not confronting threats aggressively enough. One such threat, they contend, was Saddam Hussein and his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. Since the 1991 Gulf War, neocons relentlessly advocated Mr. Hussein's ouster. Most neocons share unwavering support for Israel, which they see as crucial to US military sufficiency in a volatile region. They also see Israel as a key outpost of democracy in a region ruled by despots. Believing that authoritarianism and theocracy have allowed anti-Americanism to flourish in the Middle East, neocons advocate the democratic transformation of the region, starting with Iraq. They also believe the US is unnecessarily hampered by multilateral institutions, which they do not trust to effectively neutralize threats to global security. What are the roots of neoconservative beliefs? The original neocons were a small group of mostly Jewish liberal intellectuals who, in the 1960s and 70s, grew disenchanted with what they saw as the American left's social excesses and reluctance to spend adequately on defense. Many of these neocons worked in the 1970s for Democratic Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a staunch anti-communist. By the 1980s, most neocons had become Republicans, finding in President Ronald Reagan an avenue for their aggressive approach of confronting the Soviet Union with bold rhetoric and steep hikes in military spending. After the Soviet Union's fall, the neocons decried what they saw as American complacency. In the 1990s, they warned of the dangers of reducing both America's defense spending and its role in the world. Unlike their predecessors, most younger neocons never experienced being left of center. They've always been "Reagan" Republicans. What is the difference between a neoconservative and a conservative? Liberals first applied the "neo" prefix to their comrades who broke ranks to become more conservative in the 1960s and 70s. The defectors remained more liberal on some domestic policy issues. But foreign policy stands have always defined neoconservatism. Where other conservatives favored détente and containment of the Soviet Union, neocons pushed direct confrontation, which became their raison d'etre during the 1970s and 80s. Today, both conservatives and neocons favor a robust US military. But most conservatives express greater reservations about military intervention and so-called nation building. Neocons share no such reluctance. The post 9/11-campaigns against regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq demonstrate that the neocons are not afraid to force regime change and reshape hostile states in the American image. Neocons believe the US must do to whatever it takes to end state-supported terrorism. For most, this means an aggressive push for democracy in the Middle East. Even after 9/11, many other conservatives, particularly in the isolationist wing, view this as an overzealous dream with nightmarish consequences. How have neoconservatives influenced US foreign policy? Finding a kindred spirit in President Reagan, neocons greatly influenced US foreign policy in the 1980s. But in the 1990s, neocon cries failed to spur much action. Outside of Reaganite think tanks and Israel's right-wing Likud Party, their calls for regime change in Iraq were deemed provocative and extremist by the political mainstream. With a few notable exceptions, such as President Bill Clinton's decision to launch isolated strikes at suspected terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, their talk of preemptive military action was largely dismissed as overkill. Despite being muted by a president who called for restraint and humility in foreign affairs, neocons used the 1990s to hone their message and craft their blueprint for American power. Their forward thinking and long-time ties to Republican circles helped many neocons win key posts in the Bush administration. The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 moved much of the Bush administration closer than ever to neoconservative foreign policy. Only days after 9/11, one of the top neoconservative think tanks in Washington, the Project for a New American Century, wrote an open letter to President Bush calling for regime change in Iraq. Before long, Bush, who campaigned in 2000 against nation building and excessive military intervention overseas, also began calling for regime change in Iraq. In a highly significant nod to neocon influence, Bush chose the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) as the venue for a key February 2003 speech in which he declared that a US victory in Iraq "could begin a new stage for Middle Eastern peace." AEI – the de facto headquarters for neconservative policy – had been calling for democratization of the Arab world for more than a decade. What does a neoconservative dream world look like? Neocons envision a world in which the United States is the unchallenged superpower, immune to threats. They believe that the US has a responsibility to act as a "benevolent global hegemon." In this capacity, the US would maintain an empire of sorts by helping to create democratic, economically liberal governments in place of "failed states" or oppressive regimes they deem threatening to the US or its interests. In the neocon dream world the entire Middle East would be democratized in the belief that this would eliminate a prime breeding ground for terrorists. This approach, they claim, is not only best for the US; it is best for the world. In their view, the world can only achieve peace through strong US leadership backed with credible force, not weak treaties to be disrespected by tyrants. Any regime that is outwardly hostile to the US and could pose a threat would be confronted aggressively, not "appeased" or merely contained. The US military would be reconfigured around the world to allow for greater flexibility and quicker deployment to hot spots in the Middle East, as well as Central and Southeast Asia. The US would spend more on defense, particularly for high-tech, precision weaponry that could be used in preemptive strikes. It would work through multilateral institutions such as the United Nations when possible, but must never be constrained from acting in its best interests whenever necessary. http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html

I enjoy and always think Football (soccer) is the most beautiful, sensual sport, specialy womens soccer,reminds me a lot of love making, scoring can be multipal or just one, I specialy love it when it goes into penalty shots tension building, getting anxious, and when they score its almost like an orgasmic experience for me.

RUBO YOU JUST KILLED ME HERE I came out to eat its about 11pm here in múnich and now where do i find sish kabab ha, most are turkish and i wont eat there, congradulations aper, best of lack so many turks here i tell you, city of 1.5 mil. and 500k turks just when you need a gun and dont haye one

Munich Germany, today was -2c, I like cold in a winter, you can call it a plasure I guess, and since all expencess are paid by Gildimister of Germany, I'm buying a laser burning machine state of the art, they better fly me there for free, oh and it's a business class

Maybe Gem can advise better on this issue but wile I was reading your original post yes I think problems most likely may arise if you do it independently, that is if you (hyeforum) would handle everything, but working in congestion with some other organization I don’t see any problem in a legal stand point of a view, and yes I would leave the church out of this. 2 years ago I had similar idea, and at the time American embassy had (and I think it still does) now this is up to you if you want to make it a none profit, but had a program , if you are a US citizen and have knowledge in computer field then there was money reserved for project called "urban connect, project Armenia" or something like it, due to my personal reasons I didn’t pursue any further, but project may be still open, the information you may find in Armenian Diaspora, American embassy pages. Now you got my brain working nonstop, unfortunately I have a plain to catch tomorrow early afternoon and haven’t packed yet. I’ll be thinking more about this Azat jan. I’ll get back to you on this with some more

Azat why not gather or buy low end computers, simple, nothing fancy with modems and have those ship to Raffi maybe he can distribute into earthquake zone in Giumry and Spitak schools, those kids from school can learn and enjoy internet, those things we take for granted, just an idea

Good idea Azat First you/we need to be sure this is within the law, means have non profit organization formed first, legal documents acquired before donations can be made otherwise I can see a lots of problems ahead. Solving that, I'm all for it, count me in!.................. I'll be glad to contribute And why not, maybe some members can suggest similar projects and ideas, after all let’s make time here worth wile. Best of lack