Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 (edited) AZERBAIJAN STILL SEARCHES FOR PROVOCATIONS OF ARMENIA By Hakob Chaqrian AZG Armenian Daily 07/03/2008 International Israeli "Mossad" Justifies Them While the USA and EU are demanding from Turkey to stop the actions against PPK and withdraw their military forces from the northern Iraq, the searches of Azerbaijan aimed to finding Armenian provocations resulted in "revealing" the PPK camps in Armenia and NKR. The Israeli "Mossad" justified the necessity of such searches. According to Baku, Armenia supports and gives shelter to PPK members who settle down in the regions of the country, in NKr and in the neighboring liberated territories. The Turksih-Azeri mass media began spreading such rumors in the end of the last year, when Turkey was to unfold military actions against the PPK headquarters in Northern Iraq. In mid February, when the actions began, the Turkish newspapers began contributing to spreading of this misinformation. In particular, "Huriet" and "Jumhuriet" published an article entitled "PPK Dislocated in Artsax," while Gyunesh" warned Azerbaijan against the dislocation of PPK in NKR. It's worth mentioning that the Turkish printed press refers to various Israeli sources cited by the Azeri mass media or the press speaker of the Azeri Foreign Ministry when spreading rumors about the dislocation of PPK forces in Armenia. In particular, according to "Huriet" the PPK terrorist managed to move to Armenia in civil clothes accompanies by their families and settled down in Goris, Masis and Gugarq, as well as in Fizuli and Lachin. According to Baku based "Musafat," the Israeli "Mossad" secret service submitted a special package of relevant documents on the case Ankara and Baku. The Israeli "Jerusalem Post" stated that the Armenian special services are supporting the PPK terrorists while the businessmen with Kurdish origin provide them with financial assistance. "Debka File" site stated that Armenia granted citizenship to the PPK terrorists. In their February 18 issues, "Huriet," "Jumhuriet," and "Gyunesh" cited "Musafat" and informed about the "Mossad" documents and that 50 PPK terrorists settled down in Lachin. The Turksih Public TV discovered a new PPK dwelling place in Kelbajar, referring to press speaker of the Azeri FM. The efforts of Azeris and Turks to find PPK terrorist are no new game they play. They began it in 1998, saying that Abdullah Ojalan is in Armenia. Such efforts of Azerbaijan and Turkey are aimed to prove Armenia a country that supports terrorism and that there are PPK camps in our country. This is a mere psychological trick that they hope will scare the people of Armenia and will give a reason to Turkish armed forces to attack the PPK camps in Armenia and NKR. In response, we want to remind that already in 1990-ies PPK settled down in Azerbaijan and Nakhijevan. Arifoghli, editor-in-chief of "Musafat", stated in 2003 that PPK has a large network of activists in Azerbaijan and enjoys the support of the Azeri authorities. He touched upon this issue in "PPK Takes New Roots in Azerbaijan" article published in "Zerkalo' in 2003. -------------------------------------------------------------- "TURKEY AND AZERBAIJAN TO TAKE JOINT MILITARY ACTIONS IN Artsax" By H. Chaqrian AZG Armenian Daily 07/03/2008 Artsax On March 4, breaking the armistice regime, the Azerbaijani armed forces started firing on the positions of Nagorno-Artsax. In result of the skirmish the Azerbaijani army lost eight servicemen, and two soldiers of the Defense Army of Nagorno-Artsax were wounded. As the Azerbaijani side started the assault with considerable manpower, armored machinery and artillery, and as the skirmish lasted for more than 10 hours, the threat of recommencement of the war in Artsax was evident. Foreign Minister of Armenia Vardan Oskanian explained the incident by the excitement of the authorities of Azerbaijan with the political situation inside Armenia. Official Baku tried to put the responsibility for the incident on the frontier on the Armenian authorities, alleging that Armenia needed it for distracting the public attention from the inner political crisis. Azerbaijani Defense Ministry also spread false information that 12 Armenian soldiers were killed and 15 wounded in the clash. Wisely neglecting the official statement of Foreign Minister Oskanian, the major international information sources responded to the Azerbaijani fiction about 12 Armenian soldiers killed. Anyway, the problem is not the Azerbaijani lies, which we are used to, but the real threat of having a new war unleashed in Artsax. The latter circumstance had to compel the NATO Parliamentary Assembly to condemn the aggressor and express concern about the situation. However the head of the Parliamentary Assembly omitted the threat of a new war and estimated the ceasefire violation merely as "an unpleasant incident". Although vice-spokesman of the US Department of State Tom Casey expressed concern about the incident, he put no difference between the aggressor and its "target", and even expressed some king of support to Azerbaijan. "The independence of Kosovo is not a precedent and cannot be considered as one for Nagorno-Artsax," he added. It may sound absurd, but the very same thing that slips away from the attention of NATO and the US, rouses great interest in Turkey. "Milliet" newspaper not only reporters the Armenian Foreign Ministry's official statement, but also considers the possibility that Azerbaijan was trying to make profit of the situation in Armenia. "in fact it is not known, which side is responsible for the skirmish, but it is still possible that Baku was trying to give Armenia a lesson that way," "Milliet" writes. "Eni Musafat" comments on the support expressed by NATO and the US to Azerbaijan. The newspaper, hinting at the rumors about PKK troops hiding out in Artsax, suggests that Turkey and Azerbaijan may take large-scale military actions on the territory of Nagorno-Artsax. "Eni Musafat" alleges that the United States have given their approval, a Turkish-Azerbaijani military headquarter has been organized and intelligence works started. The position of the USA on Armenia and the Armenians is as ambiguous as that of the European Union. In this case at least the Azerbaijani mass media seem reliable. In case allegations on Turkish-Azerbaijani military operations in Artsax come true, the United States shall have to empower Turkey to take the initiative on Artsax conflict settlement. Taking into consideration that the White House is rather jealous of any initiative, all these seems hardly possible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AZERBAIJAN REMINDS ABOUT ITSELF Vardan Barseghyan Hayots Ashkhar March 06, 2008 Trying To Take Advantage Of The Situation The March 4 attack by Azerbaijani special detachment, on NKR-Azerbaijani border zone, in village Levonarch, of Mardakert region and the one-day battle following the attack was the biggest after the ceasefire maintained from May 1994. An intensive campaign has started regarding the attack of Azerbaijani side and the counter-attack of NKR defense army. Armenian side states Azerbaijan is trying to take advantage of the tough situation created in our country, and official Baku says by provoking the military clashes Armenian authorities are trying to bring the attention of their own people on the foreign enemy, thus swiftly discharging the internal political tension. But a lot of facts and circumstances appeared during the one-day war of campaigning, which gives us the clear picture of the reasons of this clash. The thing is, after the tragic event in Yerevan, OSCE Minsk Group co-Chair Mathew Braise, considered by some politicians as "the Viceroy of Caucasus", who visited Armenia as a mediator, from the US State Department, visited Baku 2-3 hours before the clash in Armenian-Azerbaijani border zone. Here he gave indefinite answers to the questions regarding the continuation of Artsax negotiations in his interview given to certain Mass Media, linking the terms and the possible visits of the co-Chairs to the region with the internal political situation in Armenia. "The situation in Armenia is so tensed," Mathew Braise said, "that it will be very difficult to record progress. Meanwhile he tried to soften the anxiety expressed by Azerbaijan after the recognition of Kosovo's independence, after which the latter withdrew its peacekeeping forces from the ex-Serbian territory and during the UN General Assembly it has even submitted a special resolution about the inadmissibility of being guided by similar precedents. Mathew Braise in his turn mentions that Kosovo cannot be a precedent for other conflicts especially Nagorno Artsax. This announcement was undoubtedly linked with the open intimidation heard from I. Aliev during Braise's recent visit to the western regions of Azerbaijan, saying that the recognition of Kosovo's independence is a violation of international law, which give reasons to Azerbaijan to think about the military solution of the issue. It is far not by chance that it was during I. Aliev's this visit, that Azerbaijani Mass Media continuously reported about the so-called " break of the ceasefire" by Armenian side. In fact, I. Aliev's bellicose announcements and his recent threats were a preparation of the big clash in Mardakert, which was planned to organize right before the visit of OSCE Minsk Group co-Chair. Thus Azerbaijan is trying to take advantage of the situation and put pressure on the mediator country, so that they will consider two new realities: first - not to consider Kosovo as a precedent for the solution of Nagorno Artsax conflict, otherwise they will start military actions, second - to put pressure on official Yerevan and "punish" because of the post-election events. Thus Azerbaijan is trying to make them reconsider the famous proposals made by the mediators in favor of Azerbaijan. Consequently, immediately after March 1-2 events in Yerevan, by the provocative actions initiated by Azerbaijani leadership in Mardakert front, the latter is trying to test the reaction of not only Armenian side but also OSCE Minsk Group co-Chairs. They also tried to convince everyone that they are going to use any events following March 1-2, in the negotiation process. Edited March 9, 2008 by Aratta-Kingdom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Although vice-spokesman of the US Department of State Tom Casey expressed concern about the incident, he put no difference between the aggressor and its "target", and even expressed some kind of support to Azerbaijan. They never condemned the aggressor, not in 1988 nor earlier nor ever. It would be a stupefying, gargantuan surprise if the jUnited Slaves of Israel did condemn the aggressor for a change. "The independence of Kosovo is not a precedent and cannot be considered as one for Nagorno-Artsax," he added. One reason, if you please? Oh I, see, the all Jewish Clinton administration bombed Christian Serbia for a bunch of leftovers of the Ottomans who had driven the Serbs out of their homeland, whereas the Artsakh Armenians had to defend their home where they have been living since the dawn of history, a land that has never ever been part of any independent fake "Azerbaijan", ever, not legally, historically, morally and in terms of population. Yet the Artsakh Armenians do not deserve to live free from the genocidal yoke of the Turks even though they liberated their homeland, albeit partly, from the claws of the bloodthirsty Turk. It may sound absurd, but the very same thing that slips away (No kidding! H.) from the attention of NATO and the US, rouses great interest in Turkey. "Milliet" newspaper not only reporters the Armenian Foreign Ministry's official statement, but also considers the possibility that Azerbaijan was trying to make profit of the situation in Armenia. "in fact it is not known, which side is responsible for the skirmish, but it is still possible that Baku was trying to give Armenia a lesson that way," "Milliet" writes. As absurd as it sounds it shows just like in the case of the "Azeri" Turk Chingiz Mustafayev, who lost his life having reported the truth about the Kh*jali hoax, the Turk had more integrity than the Jew with a Turk whore Thomas Goltz who concealed the information. Here too the Jew infested US administration has less integrity than the Turkish misinformation source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 ...after the tragic event in Yerevan, OSCE Minsk Group co-Chair Mathew Braise, considered by some politicians as "the Viceroy of Caucasus"...gave indefinite answers to the questions regarding the continuation of Artsax negotiations in his interview given to certain Mass Media, linking the terms and the possible visits of the co-Chairs to the region with the internal political situation in Armenia. Braise! This is not far from Brazen for this Bryza Vicewhore with a Turk whore. These brazen Jews are the happiest from the mayhem created by Levin Petersman. Mathew Braise in his turn mentions that Kosovo cannot be a precedent for other conflicts especially Nagorno Artsax. One reason, Whore of Vices in the Caucasus, Mattjew Brazen! Mathew Braise ...mentions that Kosovo cannot be a precedent for other conflicts especially Nagorno Artsax. This announcement was undoubtedly linked with the open intimidation heard from I. Aliev during Braise's recent visit to the western regions of Azerbaijan, saying that the recognition of Kosovo's independence is a violation of international law, which give reasons to Azerbaijan to think about the military solution of the issue. So, intimidation is a valid method according to Judeo-Saxon law, to further political agendas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Braise! This is not far from Brazen for this Bryza Vicewhore with a Turk whore. These brazen Jews are the happiest from the mayhem created by Levin Petersman. One reason, Whore of Vices in the Caucasus, Mattjew Brazen! So, intimidation is a valid method according to Judeo-Saxon law, to further political agendas. he is an american jew who has a turkish wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 They never condemned the aggressor, not in 1988 nor earlier nor ever. It would be a stupefying, gargantuan surprise if the jUnited Slaves of Israel did condemn the aggressor for a change. to condemn the aggressor? you are kiddin, right? they are the aggressor. they help turkey and azerbaijan to keep armenia in a blockade. they helped the azeris to kill unarmed armenians. they help turkey and azerbaijan to spread all kind of lies in the world. just watch how they use Associated Press, France Press, and Reauter to spread all kind of lies about armenia. now that people started to talk about it, they use other reporters to spread their lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 he is an american jew who has a turkish wife. This is what I meant by "Bryza Vicewhore with a Turk whore ...Whore of Vices in the Caucasus, Mattjew Brazen". Thanks for the confirmation, though. I have read somewhere that he is of Jewish origin, but there's not much on the Internet regarding this fact. Seems this loudmouth is hiding this. His predecessor, the much quieter and polite Steven Mann was obviously Jewish, by name and features. http://www.armtown.com/img/photo/archive/azg/azg_en_2006020202.jpg Steven Mann, much quieter and polite former OSCE co-jester than his loose lipped successor: http://gdb.rferl.org/ab9bc3e2-a6b8-420a-b4ca-eceacee99a2c_w220.jpg The Vicewhore of the Caucasus, Mattjew Brazen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 (edited) "Vicewhore" "Turk whore" "Mattjew" "obviously Jewish, by name and features" "holo-hoax" etc. etc. etc. Your statements portray you as a belligerent, racist fanatic. Bravo to you. Thanks for diggin' our collective grave. Edited March 10, 2008 by vava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Your statements portray you as a belligerent, racist fanatic. Bravo to you. Thanks for diggin' our collective grave. It's his natural born right to react to the racists and the fascists who have dug our collective grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) "Vicewhore" "Turk whore" "Mattjew" "obviously Jewish, by name and features" "holo-hoax" etc. etc. etc.Your statements portray you as a belligerent, racist fanatic. Bravo to you. Thanks for diggin' our collective grave. Ես այս վերջին ամբաստանութիւնը շան տեղ չէի դնի եթէ չլինէր վերջին բառի գործածելը դաւադրաբար ինձ վերագրելը: Կը խնդրեմ այս գրութիւնը չխեղաթիւրել, եթէ տուտուզն ունես: Ուրեմն՝ գտիր ինձից մի գրութիւն որ ես ասել եմ հօլօ-հօքս, և ինչ որ ուզես ասա, եթէ չգտար, հօլօ-հօքսը տուտուզիդ: Edited March 11, 2008 by Hellektor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I strongly protest to this unbecoming behavior of deleting my reply to a false accusation. The deleting or mutilation of the present post will prove to me at least that there is no honesty or tolerance of any sort on this board. "Vicewhore" "Turk whore" "Mattjew" "obviously Jewish, by name and features" "holo-hoax" etc. etc. etc. Your statements portray you as a belligerent, racist fanatic. Bravo to you. Thanks for diggin' our collective grave. "Vicewhore" Matthew Bryza is a Turkophile piece of shit who has time and again shown his anti-Armenian stance, has a Turkish wife and no business or credibility to act as a mediator in Turkish-Armenian affairs. I was only playing on the term viceroy, as in "OSCE Minsk Group co-Chair Mathew Braise, considered by some politicians as "the Viceroy of Caucasus"" cited in the original article. Where's racism in that? "Turk whore" Bryza's Turk wife Zeyno Baran is actively involved in anti-Armenian, pan-Turkic matters, collaborates and delivers "lectures" with the other whore, Svante E. Whorenell Turk posing as a Swede and abuses her position in the US. Google "Zeyno Baran and Svante Cornell congress in Baku". "Mattjew" Had I said Matswede or Mattdutch or Mattgerman, would you still consider me belligerent, racist fanatic? "obviously Jewish, by name and features" Actually it was this one that pissed me off. I had absofukkenlutely not a single iota of malice or nastiness when I said this. I even praised the guy TWO times as a quiet and polite person, where I don't know how much of the anti-Armenian, humiliating OSCE "peace" paper is his work. It is perfectly obvious that if there's nastiness, it comes from your deliberate attempt to search for malice in every sentence I write. You are incapable of even trying once to read my posts in a tongue-in-cheek manner for a change. Allow me to asses my view of you: Your "reserved" anger and hateful labels you throw at me all the time paints the picture of a frigid spinster like that nurse Ratched in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest" in my mind. Again, had I said "obviously Danish, by name and features" or "obviously Japanese, by name and features", would you still find me belligerent, racist fanatic? My point was while there's no way, at least for me, to see Jewish in Bryza either in his name (very uncommon for an American, perhaps invented), or his features, Steven Mann was obviously Jewish, that's why I posted the two images. Where's racism or belligerence in that? "holo-hoax" I have never ever used this term, I haven't ever TYPED this term not even in private. I don't give a damn whether you believe this. Since your quote did not come from any post of mine, I assume you actually TYPED it. There you are a step ahead of me! I will rephrase my objection but I am as repulsed as before: Ես այս վերջին ամբաստանութեանը նշանակութիւն չէի տայ եթէ չլինէր վերջին բառի գործածելը դաւադրաբար ինձ վերագրելը: Կը խնդրեմ այս գրութիւնը չխեղաթիւրել: Ուրեմն՝ գտիր ինձից մի գրութիւն ուր ես այդ բառն եմ գործածել, և ինչ որ ուզես ասա, եթէ չգտար, ******: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted March 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Tigran Balayan: we’re astonished at Bryza’s statement 12.03.2008 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ “We’re astonished that even after his visit to Yerevan, after meeting with and hearing from various official and unofficial sources, U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matt Bryza could make such arbitrary statements,” said Tigran Balayan, Head of the Armenian Foreign Ministry Press Division. “Assigning such one-sided blame is unfounded and not helpful. The number of wounded law enforcement officers (108) - 43 of them wounded by firearms and hand-grenades - clearly demonstrates that rioters were in possession of firearms and explosives. That coincides with the operative information of law enforcement agencies which had informed the public about all this, days before the events of March 1. In that case, labeling the reaction of the government as “a crackdown on opposition protests”, or qualifying it as “harsh and brutal” is incorrect. This was not at all an attack by policemen on civilians,” he said. “The violence of March 1 is indeed of great concern to all of us in Armenia, including and foremost, the government, which believes it is responsible for the maintenance of public order and safety. It attempted to do so, exercising restraint, but as law enforcement bodies had earlier cautioned, turned into a clash between officers and demonstrators. With eight people dead (including one policeman) and dozens injured (many from law enforcement), there is no doubt that this was serious violence, and indeed deplorable, as Mr. Bryza says,” Mr Balayan noted. Armenia’s challenge, now, 10 days after that disastrous day, is to fully explore and understand what happened and find ways to move forward together, according to him. “The international community’s focus should be to encourage all involved to take responsibility for the damage to the fabric of our society and to look for inclusive ways to move forward. Ill-informed statements can and do contribute to an escalation of political tension,” he resumed. U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matthew Bryza said that “United States is frustrated by the arrests of opponents since his meetings in Armenia.” "It is not only frustrating that the government has imposed restrictions on independent media and left in place a state of emergency, but also that it has stepped up arrests of opposition leaders," he said. "It is crucial that the arrest of opposition figures stops." Bryza also called on the government to investigate and prosecute all those from the opposition or the government, who violated election laws and unlawfully used violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellektor Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I acknowledge that my objection has stayed and has not been altered. I hope you could see my point. Let's be more tolerant and respect one another's peculiarities. Before seeing nastiness in someone else, let us first try to understand the other, what they actually mean and not hastily stick labels, then double check if the nastiness doesn't come from within ourselves. I am very concerned with the fate of our nation. I see constant double standards and treacherous misuse of media against the Armenians. I am absolutely amazed that such a small country that went through so much, never invaded or desecrated any other nation has still to be portrayed this way. The thing is there's always a Jewish nose behind all this shit, I wonder why? We are so unimportant they say, Turkey is so important they claim, then why can't these wolves let us be? You piece of Turk-screwing, filthy bitch Matthew Brazen Bryza, go screw the she wolf that brought such ordure to this world. What do you want from us? Why your Jew owned media doesn't show the stone flinging, petrol bomb throwing, shops destroying and looting, cars, buses and ambulances burning Jew-paid hooligan thugs? Why don't you broadcast the hate-speech and provocation of that fleeing rat, that rascal Pashinian, who incites the mob to arm themselves and fight with the police? What would you do in your United Slaves of Israel if anybody as much as moved their hand towards their pocket to pull out their ID card? Wouldn't your Jewmockratic police force empty a 100 rounds at them? Didn’t we all see what your police did to that UNARMED black teenage girl, for "resisting" arrest? The whole Levin Petrossman affaire from day one was to this very end. They couldn't find a single reason to smear Armenia, a much more tolerant and free society that ALL its neighbors. They had to pay the father of a Jew, Levin to stage this farce to find a reason to question the authority in Armenia, to weaken the government all in pursuit of the same sick pan-Turkist delirium, INVENTED by Jews, to exterminate the Armenians, to prevent the existence and progress of an Armenia of any shape, size or form. This all aims to force Armenia to cede the liberated territories to that artificially counterfeited bogus loser state, fake "Azerbaijan", that lost the war they instigated and the genocide they perpetrated with complete connivance of the Zionist Soviet state and the Zionist West who shut the phuque up when Armenians were being slaughtered in Sumgait, Baku, Gandzak, Maragha, Shamkhor, Shamakhi, Karintak, Shushi, Hadrut, Shahoomian, Getashen, Berdadzor, Sheki, Voskepar, Zakatali, Chardakhli and all over fake "Azerbaijan" and now they are "frustrated by the arrests of opponents". I hope this frustration will constipate you and turn your shit to stone and when you are going to relieve your putrid cadaver, it will break your loud muzzle, you repugnant, Turk whore loving, low-life dreg of humanity, Matthew Brazen Bryza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted June 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 BAKU TO PURCHASE 10 SCOUT PLANES FROM ISRAEL TO CONTROL Artsax PanARMENIAN.Net 05.06.2008 15:51 GMT+04:00 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Azerbaijan's Defense Ministry is planning to purchase 10 Hermes 450 unmanned scout planes "to control the territories seized by Armenia," a source told GPSearch.Org. "Choosing equipment, we highlight its 'invisibility' for the enemy's anti-aircraft defense, said the source in the Azeri Defense Ministry. According to AirWar.Ru website, Hermes 450 is a multipurpose unmanned scout plane designed to observe, patrol, scout and correct fire backing. Made of composite materials, it's almost unnoticeable for anti-aircraft defense devices. The plane takes off and lands to a 350 meter long runway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z'areh Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Dear Hellektor, Let me first say that you have a wealth of knowledge about Armenian history, the Artsakh issue and very good political mind when you give your views about many relevant issues. We have in the past argued but I have also congratulated you for a tremendous work, especially your series titled "And the Fraud Had a Name". I know you are angry, and rightly so, you're accusation targets have a "bull's eye" precision. But the moment you deviate into a racist diatribe and colourful name-calling your contribution looses its value and gets drowned in the noisy distortion. That's when the reading comes to a full stop, unfortunately. Let me underline that saying someone is of Jewish origin and has married a Turk, if the facts are correct, there is nothing racist in that comment, but just leave it at that. Your articles are at its best when they are factual and worse when they are opinionated. But worst is when good ideas vanish in a wantonly self-discrediting blabber. Please, give your facts and let the reader form his/her opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted June 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Dear Z'areh, What if I tell you Hellektor had family members who were killed because of Israeli support to the azeris? Please don't tell people how they sould talk about their pain. bryza in fact is married to a turka and thousands of people were killed and will be killed because of him and israeli support to the azeris. When bryza spoke in front ot the Congress, he not only shoed his support for the azeris, he also showed how much hate he has for the Armenians. Next time check the fact first before you give someone else an advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z'areh Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 (edited) Dear Z'areh, What if I tell you Hellektor had family members who were killed because of Israeli support to the azeris? really? because of Israeli support?, maybe Hellektor can explain that. Regardless, it is truly painful to read about Hellektor's family losses, my heart goes for his and every Armenian's losses for the liberation of Artsakh, which is indeed a direct continuation of 1918 liberation of Armenia. Israel along with many other nations support Azerbaijan, politically and militarily and this is not some "hidden" fact, you are right and they may even be considered as friends of the enemy therefore the enemy. What I don't understand is your notion that had Azerbaijan not received such support from Israel or other countries they would not have killed Armenians or attacked Artsakh. It is funny that you tend to single out Israel as only supporting Azerbaijan...what about the others AK, you think only Israel is selling armes and giving tacit political support to the Azeris? Fact: Azeries were attacking Armenians, in small village skirmishes as far back as 1985, stealing livestock from Armenian farmers was an Azeri hobby. The animosity of the Azeris did not start with the eruption of Artsakh liberation movement, nor with Gorbachev's glasnost and perestroika BS, nor with Israel's support. Fact: Bryza is married to 36 years old Zeyno Baran, the director of the Hudson Institute in the States. She is a Turk who unabashedly works for the promotion of Turkey and Azerbaijan in the States and in Europe. Fact: Armenian government has no choice but to accept Bryza's mediation. Unfortunately it is also a fact that Armenia has neither the power nor the political muscle to kick out such an openly biased person from the mediation process that involves our national security. Fact: Armenia's national interests clashes with a whole slew of nations that have found a natural ally in Azerbaijan, the list is many and they constitute a formidable challenge to Armenia, Azerbaijan is simply benefitting from it. Fact: Azeris will kill Armenians again regardless who supports or opposes them. Edited June 11, 2008 by Z'areh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 really? because of Israeli support?, maybe Hellektor can explain that. Regardless, it is truly painful to read about Hellektor's family losses, my heart goes for his and every Armenian's losses for the liberation of Artsakh, which is indeed a direct continuation of 1918 liberation of Armenia. Israel along with many other nations support Azerbaijan, politically and militarily and this is not some "hidden" fact, you are right and they may even be considered as friends of the enemy therefore the enemy. What I don't understand is your notion that had Azerbaijan not received such support from Israel or other countries they would not have killed Armenians or attacked Artsakh. It is funny that you tend to single out Israel as only supporting Azerbaijan...what about the others AK, you think only Israel is selling armes and giving tacit political support to the Azeris? Fact: Azeries were attacking Armenians, in small village skirmishes as far back as 1985, stealing livestock from Armenian farmers was an Azeri hobby. The animosity of the Azeris did not start with the eruption of Artsakh liberation movement, nor with Gorbachev's glasnost and perestroika BS, nor with Israel's support. Fact: Bryza is married to 36 years old Zeyno Baran, the director of the Hudson Institute in the States. She is a Turk who unabashedly works for the promotion of Turkey and Azerbaijan in the States and in Europe. Fact: Armenian government has no choice but to accept Bryza's mediation. Unfortunately it is also a fact that Armenia has neither the power nor the political muscle to kick out such an openly biased person from the mediation process that involves our national security. Fact: Armenia's national interests clashes with a whole slew of nations that have found a natural ally in Azerbaijan, the list is many and they constitute a formidable challenge to Armenia, Azerbaijan is simply benefitting from it. Fact: Azeris will kill Armenians again regardless who supports or opposes them. So why do you appose when Armenians speak against this sell out fink brydza? another factor you forgot that the fact there is an arms embargo against azaeris and Armenians, that is a violation of UN resolution but party (Israel) involved is no stranger to spit on the face of UN....who has the most resolutions against her. but your right, we should ignore and play along...the key for peaceful state is Armenians strength and well being, for this we as a Nation have much work to do, such as boost the economy war is part of our unfortunate history....maybe this factor is an answer why we have not perished?! I dont know any Nation who fought war on her own soil and lost, do you? *** brizya and the whole neo-con nazi institution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z'areh Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 So why do you appose when Armenians speak against this sell out fink brydza? another factor you forgot that the fact there is an arms embargo against azaeris and Armenians, that is a violation of UN resolution but party (Israel) involved is no stranger to spit on the face of UN....who has the most resolutions against her. Ed, where do I oppose anyone who speaks against Bryza when I also speak against him? And I am not "forgetting" any facts about arms deals, Ukraine is also selling fighter planes and tanks to Azerbaijan, it is very naive to think that Azerbaijan buys weapons from only one source, embargo or not. By the way there is no "arms embargo" by the UN. However there is this thing called Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty where quotas are set for each country, Azerbaijan has threatened to pull out from this treaty complaining that Armenia is "unfairly" using the CIS Collective Security Pact with Russia to get up-to-date weapons, so the Azeris ignoring the CFE bought MIG-29 fighters from Ukraine. By the Way the CFE treaty is a joke and every body knows it. This has nothing to do with UN resolutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted June 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 FACT: Along with israel, pakistan, turkey, al-qaeda, and the chechen terrorists support azerbaijan. FACT: For some reason, z'areh always holds an anti-Armenian and pro-israel position. No matter how you play your cards, no matter how careffuly you chose your words, no matter how you structure you sentecne, you have no argument against the people's right to speak the truth about their pain. It's your choice, you can either accept the truth the way it is, or you can continue with the trash talk and make a noise like an empty barrel. It's a fact, in the long run, the madness about hiding the truth works against those who refuse to accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z'areh Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) FACT: Along with israel, pakistan, turkey, al-qaeda, and the chechen terrorists support azerbaijan. FACT: For some reason, z'areh always holds an anti-Armenian and pro-israel position. No matter how you play your cards, no matter how careffuly you chose your words, no matter how you structure you sentecne, you have no argument against the people's right to speak the truth about their pain. It's your choice, you can either accept the truth the way it is, or you can continue with the trash talk and make a noise like an empty barrel. It's a fact, in the long run, the madness about hiding the truth works against those who refuse to accept it. AK, the fact remains that no matter what we discuss you cannot escape your narrow minded and hateful self, you simply cannot hold a mature discussion, you insult and shout, that is you modus operandi, it is pitiful really. What I say I believe is the truth and you cannot escape reality no matter how much you hate my ideas. You, however, should learn to quite down the noises in your head to really listen to what I'm saying instead of what you think I'm saying. FACT: You're behaviour is out to lunch, to prove: you cannot put any credence to your above accusations against me, all what it is is your bizarre attitude that seem to occupy a huge space in your head. You have proven time and again that you have no serious arguments against my ideas, so, as usual, all you do is revert to childish nonsense, and divert a subject to a spot where it's low enough to meet your personal levels. Amot é Amot. Grow up!!! I have no time or any intention of wasting more time with your shenanigans. / Edited June 12, 2008 by Z'areh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 looks funny, isn't it? you are the intelligent one, you claim i "have proven time and again that (you) I have no serious arguments against your (my) ideas", yet you still spend all the arguing with me? anyone with no brain can see that your statements controdict each other. how can you not see that you are making fool of yourself with this kind of arguments? conclusion: either something is wrong with your head, or you just want to score a point with this kind of trash talk--- ) kam, hame mek@, hame el myus@. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Israel selling weapons to Azerbaijan fuels possibility of new war 16.10.2008 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ A dangerous pattern is emerging in the Caucasus with new reports that Israel is continuing to sell advanced military armaments to Azerbaijan, costing hundreds of millions of dollars, said Jirair Haratunian, former Chairman of the Armenian Assembly of America Board of Directors, in a column entitled "Dangerous Endorsement: More Israeli Military Arms sold to Azeris as Jewish lobby backs Azerbaijan," the Assembly told PanARMENIAN.Net. The commentary continues, “These military sales are an incendiary fuse in a volatile South Caucasus where a startled world just witnessed a short bloody war between Russia and Georgia and where Moscow’s recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia has altered the geopolitical landscape in the region, perhaps permanently. Ironically, Israelis who condemn Iran and Syria for arming Hamas and Hezbullah have now become serious arms merchants selling an array of offensive weapons to Azerbaijan. They sell these arms at a time when Ilham Aliyev, the President of Azerbaijan, has repeatedly threatened to recapture Nagorno NAGORNO NAGORNO KARABAKH Armenian Republic of ARTSAX Armenian Republic of ARTSAX by military force. Moreover, there are more than military sales binding Israel to Azerbaijan these days. On October 2, an Azeri journal, DAY AZ, published an interview with Joseph Shagal, a deputy in the Israeli Knesset and chairman of the Israel-Azerbaijan Inter-Parliamentary Group, who said, "Both economic associations and military alliances are possible with such a partner as Azerbaijan." Shagal asserted that arms sales by Israel are strictly controlled by the government. He then added, "Israel will never supply arms to a country if this can affect the security of neighboring states." This man has apparently been deaf to Aliyev’s many bellicose threats to reignite war with Nagorno NAGORNO NAGORNO KARABAKH Armenian Republic of ARTSAX Armenian Republic of ARTSAX. As these developments have become public, one obvious question arises: Has the Bush Administration been complicit in these Israeli arms sales or just acquiescent? In either case, the result is the same. Admittedly the U.S. has issued tepid cautions against the use of force in the Caucasus, but these have not worked. Proof is the failed Georgian military episode in South Ossetia that upset regional stability and created fears of a new Cold War. What is required now is a resolute and unambiguous declaration that the United States opposes any new arms race in the Caucasus region and will oppose the use of force in unresolved conflicts. However, neither Vice President Richard Cheney nor Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte made such a statement during their back-to-back visits to Baku in September. Unfortunately, Israel’s growing economic ties and military support of Azerbaijan have now been followed by promises from the American Jewish Committee (AJC) to lobby for Azerbaijan. This commitment was announced in Baku by David Harris, AJC's Chairman, who visited there at the invitation of Azeri President Ilhan Aliyev. With unashamed praise for upholding religious freedom, Harris said: "Religious tolerance in Azerbaijan is a model for the entire world." Harris is either unaware or callous about Azerbaijan's murderous pogroms of Armenians in Sumgait and Baku during the days when the Soviet Union was in the process of imploding. And he is apparently ignorant about the more recent cultural felony committed in Julfa by Azerbaijan’s military in which they destroyed hundreds of Khachkars, intricately-carved tombstones, in an Armenian cemetery that dates back to medieval times. Harris went further. He said, "The AJC has long appreciated the importance of Azerbaijan as a true friend of the United States and Israel." He told reporters that he had discussed the Nagorno NAGORNO NAGORNO KARABAKH Armenian Republic of ARTSAX Armenian Republic of ARTSAX issue at length and, in particular, the negotiating role of the OSCE's Minsk Group. He promised to urge the United States to pay more attention "to improve the OSCE Minsk Group’s mission." In light of Harris’s unabashed bias towards Baku, this promise will have to be carefully monitored. Finally, Harris paid tribute to his hosts with these words, "We have valued this opportunity to learn more about this strong ally in a challenging and critical region. We look forward to sharing our views about Azerbaijan's key role when we return to the United States." Thus, we witness a disturbing combination of arms sales to Azerbaijan, possible military ties with Israel, and vocal support for Baku by AJC, one of the largest and most influential Jewish advocacy groups in America. These developments are scarcely known or understood by the rank and file of the Jewish community. They are unaware of the way in which the intrusion of Israel and the AJC into the volatile region of the Caucasus heightens the possibility of war. They don't realize that only a fragile ceasefire line separates Azeri and Armenian military forces and that arming and encouraging a saber rattling leader in Azerbaijan only fuels the possibility of a new war.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aratta-Kingdom Posted January 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 The true face of hypocrisy. With support from Turkey and Israel, Azerbaijan is getting ready for a war. Why souldn't the Armenians get armaments to defend themselves? Lavrov personally told Mammadyarov that Russia didn't deliver armament to Armenia 17.01.2009 /PanARMENIAN.Net/ On initiative of the Russian side, RF Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov had a phone conversation with his Azerbaijani counterpart Elmar Mammadyarov to discuss the alleged delivery of Russian armament to Armenia. Mr. Lavrov informed that the Russian Foreign Ministry jointly with the General Staff have studied the issue and officially concluded that no armament was supplied to Armenia. The sides agreed to continue consultations for complete clarification of the issue, 1news.az reports. Earlier this week, Azeri ANS TV quoted Russian Defense Ministry's spokesman Alexander Petrunin as saying that "Russia delivered military hardware to the amount of $800 million to Armenia in the framework of a transnational agreement." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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