Stormig Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I'd suppose takavor թագավոր is used more often for "king," but what about arqa արքա? Any connection with Greek arche? In the English language, you often come across words like archetype, archaeology, archbishop, archduke, archangel, arch enemy, archive, that have all in the world to do with this Greek word/prefix which designates leadership. Coincidence? If not, how did the x sound metamorphose into the simple q? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 (edited) arqay, arqayakan, arquni, arquniq, arqayazun, gegharquniq This is the "arch" we are talking about, you can see other uses below; -arch \-arch\ [Gr. 'archo`s chief, commander, 'a`rchein to rule. See Arch, a.] A suffix meaning a ruler, as in monarch (a sole ruler). Arch- \Arch-\ (["a]rch-, except in archangel and one or two other words). [L. arch-, Gr. ?. See Arch-.] A prefix signifying chief, as in archbuilder, archfiend. As in archpriest, archbishop/arqepiskopos. And we don't mean McDonald's Golden Arches http://arch-2d.word.sytes.org/web1913/ Based on the above one would assume as we have done for a long time that it is from the Greek. Seems like, just as we have the Greeks may have taken it from the the Assyrian-rakjan/reiks, which in turn is from the Sanskrit-"arqa" to mean exaulted. Consider such words as "rex/reich/regal/royal" etc. The Armenian Q is as corroborated by Ajarian the equivalent of the Greek X/khsi. This is evident in numerous cases, the most common of which are Qristos/Xristo/Christ and Metaqs/Metaxa. The latter means silk and it is a corription of Demask/Damask/Damascus. It seem like the first time the Greeks saw silk was either in or from Damascus and by misplacing the letters D and M damask ended up as "madaks/metaks/medaks". In conclusion. "arqa(y)" means chief, main and ultimately kingly, royal, regal, arqayakan. How about "archaic"? Test! What does "archive", Armenian "arkheev" mean? And what does the name of that region of Armenia "Gegharqouniq" mean?? Btw. Tagavor is from the Persian/Arabic "thaj" to mean "crown". The reason why we spell it with the letter THO which originally was meant to sound like the English TH as in theory. Edited December 30, 2004 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I haven't a clue about Gegharqouniq or arkheev. Would the former be beautiful princess or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Arkheev is an armenized version of archive. It doesn't have anything to do with the two ''arch''s. Many Armenian words come from Greek. But I don't think we borrowed from them as much as the Latins did. Europeans actually borrowed some of their grammar too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 (edited) BTW, I'm not sure I follow. The Armenian Q is as corroborated by Ajarian the equivalent of the Greek X/khsi. This is evident in numerous cases, the most common of which are Qristos/Xristo/Christ and Metaqs/Metaxa. The latter means silk and it is a corription of Demask/Damask/Damascus. It seem like the first time the Greeks saw silk was either in or from Damascus and by misplacing the letters D and M damask ended up as "madaks/metaks/medaks". style_images/master/snapback.png The Greek X - the chi - as in the Armenian kh, խ, is different from the X in Metaxas which is the Ξ ξ and not the chi. Greeks don't call Christ "Ksristos." Am I confused? Silk is not Մետախա, is it? Edited January 2, 2005 by Stormig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Gegharchunik - Gechetsik+archunik=beautiful kingdom this is just my assumption/guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 (edited) Gegharchunik - Gechetsik+archunik=beautiful kingdom this is just my assumption/guess. style_images/master/snapback.png Correct! Kind of. First, archive is not your common everyday library. It is often used to describe the place where where official documents are kept. It has evolved from the days when the government papers were stored there, i.e. the papers of the "arch"/arqa/king. Therefor an archive is a depository of royal papers. As to gegharquniq, my first thought was "gegh" as in geghetsik as well. Upon further consideration I realized that "gegh" also means gyugh/village/town, so gegharquniq would be "royal town" where the arqa lived or had a residence, even if a secondary one as a summer home. NB.The Armenian pronunciation of "arkheev" is from the French "arsheev". Edited January 6, 2005 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Arpa, Does navahangist actually correspond to "where ships rest"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Arpa, Does navahangist actually correspond to "where ships rest"? style_images/master/snapback.png That is a very good question. No! In fact it is a bedroom for ships!! :) I did search before I posted the above to see if we have any other word for, it turns out we don't even distinguish between harbor and port, the latter is the city where the habor is located. Looking up "navahangist" I found these; navakayan, qarap, navakayq, mina(Arabic?), jrkhan(dialect), navamatuyts. Very limited choces, is it because we have not been a amritime people except may be during the Kililkian days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellamelan Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 I'm using a public computer that doesn't let me change the settings, so I can't type in Armenian. but bottomline... takavor and Arka are synonyms. they both mean king. clearly. I would say takavor is the "more armenian" one... if you will. cuz arka comes from (as many of you have mentioned) the prefix ARCH as in master or chief.. (example: architect = master builder) and takavor comes from the good old armo word TAK meaning crown... again. as Arpa has mentioned. and about navahankisd... true it means harbor... but it's hard to believe we don't have an armenian name for "port". I don't have a dictionary handy. and I can't use internet dictionaries... no font... but I'll definitely look into it. and I don't quite understand the X, q question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 ok, this might sound as a joke but those of you from Armenia please tell me how to say TARAKAN (cockroach) in Armenian. I mean my family never ever used the Armenian word, so I don't even know what it is. Why can't we just adopt this word into Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 խավարասեր [xavaraser] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 another word is ուտիճ [utij] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Really????????? I never heard any of those words used for tarakan, I mean I have never heard the second word period. thanks Harut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 actually, now that i thought about it, ուտիճ [utij] doesn't mean cockroach, but some other insect... not sure what though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 OK, another question. Remember a while ago I requested lyrics to a certain song of Sona Avagyan's? Among them was Tatevik. Part of a stanza went like this: Kpatmi hin urin, aghjka heqyat Vor mi or urits kga bari mi arqaya What's the arqaya here?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 it's actually արքայազն [arqayazn], which is prince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 it's actually արքայազն [arqayazn], which is prince. style_images/master/snapback.png and ARQAYADUSTR is princess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 it's actually ???????? [arqayazn], which is prince. style_images/master/snapback.png Well, that makes sense! Do you have the song? Because I don't have it, and arqaya just doesn't fit grammatically, so I got confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Well, that makes sense! Do you have the song? Because I don't have it, and arqaya just doesn't fit grammatically, so I got confused. style_images/master/snapback.png i got the mp3 file from http://www.armsite.com a while back. don't have the lyrics, but clearly that's what she says... btw, there is something wrong with your machine/browser. can't see your unicode... did you reinstall the os or the browser? (and that's probably why the translit doesn't work for you.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I'm working on Safari (browser). I can't type in unicode with it. I just quoted you and the letters didn't get through. The translit works fine with Mozilla though. I'm just being lazy Thanks for the link. I'm listening to it right now. Harut, I hear arqaya. Quite clearly. Maybe she fails to pronounce the ending, or my ears are clogged up. What do you think? http://www.sonaavagyan.com/songs/Sona_Avagyan_Tatevik.mp3 But the rest doesn't make sense either.. Kpatmi hin urin, aghjka heqyat Vor mi or urits kga bari mi arqaya Na qnqshanqov u knayi poqrik Tatevikin U spitak chqnagh varder nran knviri. The third line is messed up. The adverb qnqshanqov is in the wrong place; or actually there should not be any "u" there. I swear this chick is as angraget (illiterate) as she is unable to sing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 ok, i'll listen to it once i get home. maybe it's just my imagination that that's what she says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 qnqshanqov u style_images/master/snapback.png The third line is messed up. The adverb qnqshanqov is in the wrong place; or actually there should not be any "u" there. I swear this chick is as angraget (illiterate) as she is unable to sing. style_images/master/snapback.png I guess the "u" might not be there anyway - it's just the way she sings, maybe? If you listen to Siro Karandzav, that's what it sounds like, too - Siro Karandzawuuuu - simply because you can't be expected to sing Karandzavvvvvvvv. Maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Maybe. Then she's a bad versifier and a bad singer.. Harut, did you get a chance to listen to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 aaaa, nairi, so sorry... had completely forgotten about this... tonight, i promise, tonight once i get home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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