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Arqa, արքա, King


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I'd suppose takavor թագավոր is used more often for "king," but what about arqa արքա? Any connection with Greek arche?

In the English language, you often come across words like archetype, archaeology, archbishop, archduke, archangel, arch enemy, archive, that have all in the world to do with this Greek word/prefix which designates leadership.

 

Coincidence? If not, how did the x sound metamorphose into the simple q?

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arqay, arqayakan, arquni, arquniq, arqayazun, gegharquniq

 

This is the "arch" we are talking about, you can see other uses below;

 

-arch \-arch\ [Gr. 'archo`s chief, commander, 'a`rchein to rule.

See Arch, a.]

A suffix meaning a ruler, as in monarch (a sole ruler).

 

 

 

Arch- \Arch-\ (["a]rch-, except in archangel and one or two

other words). [L. arch-, Gr. ?. See Arch-.]

A prefix signifying chief, as in archbuilder, archfiend.

 

As in archpriest, archbishop/arqepiskopos. And we don't mean McDonald's Golden Arches :)

http://arch-2d.word.sytes.org/web1913/

Based on the above one would assume as we have done for a long time that it is from the Greek. Seems like, just as we have the Greeks may have taken it from the the Assyrian-rakjan/reiks, which in turn is from the Sanskrit-"arqa" to mean exaulted. Consider such words as "rex/reich/regal/royal" etc.

The Armenian Q is as corroborated by Ajarian the equivalent of the Greek X/khsi. This is evident in numerous cases, the most common of which are Qristos/Xristo/Christ and Metaqs/Metaxa. The latter means silk and it is a corription of Demask/Damask/Damascus. It seem like the first time the Greeks saw silk was either in or from Damascus and by misplacing the letters D and M damask ended up as "madaks/metaks/medaks".

In conclusion. "arqa(y)" means chief, main and ultimately kingly, royal, regal, arqayakan.

How about "archaic"?

 

Test!

What does "archive", Armenian "arkheev" mean? And what does the name of that region of Armenia "Gegharqouniq" mean??

 

 

Btw. Tagavor is from the Persian/Arabic "thaj" to mean "crown". The reason why we spell it with the letter THO which originally was meant to sound like the English TH as in theory.

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Arkheev is an armenized version of archive. It doesn't have anything to do with the two ''arch''s.

 

Many Armenian words come from Greek. But I don't think we borrowed from them as much as the Latins did. Europeans actually borrowed some of their grammar too.

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BTW, I'm not sure I follow.

 

The Armenian Q is as corroborated by Ajarian the equivalent of the Greek X/khsi. This is evident in numerous cases, the most common of which are Qristos/Xristo/Christ and Metaqs/Metaxa. The latter means silk and it is a corription of Demask/Damask/Damascus. It seem like the first time the Greeks saw silk was either in or from Damascus and by misplacing the letters D and M damask ended up as "madaks/metaks/medaks".

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The Greek X - the chi - as in the Armenian kh, խ, is different from the X in Metaxas which is the Ξ ξ and not the chi. Greeks don't call Christ "Ksristos." Am I confused? Silk is not Մետախա, is it?

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Gegharchunik - Gechetsik+archunik=beautiful kingdom

 

this is just my assumption/guess.

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Correct!

Kind of. :)

First, archive is not your common everyday library. It is often used to describe the place where where official documents are kept. It has evolved from the days when the government papers were stored there, i.e. the papers of the "arch"/arqa/king. Therefor an archive is a depository of royal papers.

 

As to gegharquniq, my first thought was "gegh" as in geghetsik as well. Upon further consideration I realized that "gegh" also means gyugh/village/town, so gegharquniq would be "royal town" where the arqa lived or had a residence, even if a secondary one as a summer home.

 

NB.The Armenian pronunciation of "arkheev" is from the French "arsheev".

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Arpa,

 

Does navahangist actually correspond to "where ships rest"? :)

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That is a very good question.

No! In fact it is a bedroom for ships!! :) :)

 

I did search before I posted the above to see if we have any other word for, it turns out we don't even distinguish between harbor and port, the latter is the city where the habor is located. Looking up "navahangist" I found these; navakayan, qarap, navakayq, mina(Arabic?), jrkhan(dialect), navamatuyts. Very limited choces, is it because we have not been a amritime people except may be during the Kililkian days?

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I'm using a public computer that doesn't let me change the settings, so I can't type in Armenian.

but bottomline...

takavor and Arka are synonyms.

they both mean king. clearly.

I would say takavor is the "more armenian" one... if you will.

cuz arka comes from (as many of you have mentioned) the prefix ARCH as in master or chief.. (example: architect = master builder)

and takavor comes from the good old armo word TAK meaning crown... again. as Arpa has mentioned.

and about navahankisd... true it means harbor... but it's hard to believe we don't have an armenian name for "port".

I don't have a dictionary handy. and I can't use internet dictionaries... no font... but I'll definitely look into it.

and I don't quite understand the X, q question.

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Well, that makes sense! Do you have the song? Because I don't have it, and arqaya just doesn't fit  grammatically, so I got confused.

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i got the mp3 file from http://www.armsite.com a while back. don't have the lyrics, but clearly that's what she says...

 

btw, there is something wrong with your machine/browser. can't see your unicode... did you reinstall the os or the browser? (and that's probably why the translit doesn't work for you.)

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I'm working on Safari (browser). I can't type in unicode with it. I just quoted you and the letters didn't get through. The translit works fine with Mozilla though. I'm just being lazy :)

 

Thanks for the link. I'm listening to it right now. Harut, I hear arqaya. Quite clearly. Maybe she fails to pronounce the ending, or my ears are clogged up. What do you think?

 

http://www.sonaavagyan.com/songs/Sona_Avagyan_Tatevik.mp3

 

But the rest doesn't make sense either..

 

Kpatmi hin urin, aghjka heqyat

Vor mi or urits kga bari mi arqaya

Na qnqshanqov u knayi poqrik Tatevikin

U spitak chqnagh varder nran knviri.

 

The third line is messed up. The adverb qnqshanqov is in the wrong place; or actually there should not be any "u" there. I swear this chick is as angraget (illiterate) as she is unable to sing.

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qnqshanqov u

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The third line is messed up. The adverb qnqshanqov is in the wrong place; or actually there should not be any "u" there. I swear this chick is as angraget (illiterate) as she is unable to sing.

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I guess the "u" might not be there anyway - it's just the way she sings, maybe? If you listen to Siro Karandzav, that's what it sounds like, too - Siro Karandzawuuuu - simply because you can't be expected to sing Karandzavvvvvvvv. :) Maybe? ^_^

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