gamavor Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 (edited) Georgians were minority in Tbilisi between 1817 - 1899. I'm reading a book by U.D. Anchabidze and N. G. Volkova titled "Old Tbilisi". It appears that Tbilisi was truly international city. Georgians and Armenians lived together with Poles, Germans, Italians, French, Greeks, Persians, Jews, Turks and more than 15 other nationalities. Tbilisi was home of one of the most prominent Armenian families in Caucasus, - Orbelian, Bagration, Tumanov, Argutinsky, Bebutov, Amatuni, Tzitzianov, Machabeli and many others. Armenians were the leading force in business and culture. The book is full with wonderful data and statistical information, which if time opportune will keep you updated. PS: I tried all possible ways to post pictures but I couldn't. Sorry. I blame Sip, because this IrfanViewTra-la-la is not for lawyers! Edited September 19, 2004 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayq Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Yeah...toobad none of that remains... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Will be very interested to know more about this Gamavor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Tbilisi was the largest Armenian city in the world. 70% of the population was Armenian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Isn't the movie 'Pepo' situated in Tbilisi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 (edited) Edited September 19, 2004 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayq Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 You guys should watch Mimino, it is in Russian, but if you have a translator it is a great movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 I watched it not long ago. It's an awesome movie and Djigarkhanian is roaringly funny. Interesting to see how similar both cultures are. If I remember correctly the famous quote from that movie goes: "Slushai balik jan, ya tebe odin umnyi vesh skaju, tolko ti ne obejaysa." Perhaps it's a bit ignorant of me but I read somewhere a speculation on whether Georgia was really an offshoot of the "Armenian Empire". Not that it really matters so many cultures have been so closely intertwined and mixed together that it's like finding a needle in the haystack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakersfieldian Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Any information on old time Tiblisi Armenians is greatly appreciated. My Grandfather was born there in 1889. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 (edited) I watched it not long ago. It's an awesome movie and Djigarkhanian is roaringly funny. Interesting to see how similar both cultures are. If I remember correctly the famous quote from that movie goes: "Slushai balik jan, ya tebe odin umnyi vesh skaju, tolko ti ne obejaysa." Perhaps it's a bit ignorant of me but I read somewhere a speculation on whether Georgia was really an offshoot of the "Armenian Empire". Not that it really matters so many cultures have been so closely intertwined and mixed together that it's like finding a needle in the haystack. style_images/master/snapback.png A bit off subject, but I take you mean Froonz Mkrtichyan. After he passed away the family of this truly a wonderful actor had no money left to put the burial stone. It was Kikabidse(his co star from the Mimino) who sponsored that later when he cam to Armenia and wanted to go to his cemetery to see his friend. Song from Mimino Edited November 11, 2004 by Azat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 I have family and friends who too are Tiblisi Armenians. Incredible people and really so much different from Armenians of Yerevan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 How so ? Could you elaborate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Azat jan, tzavut tanem aziz jan, lav lines could you please do me a favour. Tell me why the hell I cannot upload pictures! Is it becuase of the format or what? Thanks Dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 How so ? Could you elaborate ? style_images/master/snapback.png I think this was for me Boghos jan. I know there is going to be lots of generalizations but there are generalizations because most are true. They have lots of spunk to them. They are very old families who at one time or another were very rich, very cultured and very well educated. This was actually true to the 80s. The love to have fun, and dance and sing. They are very artistic. I don't know how to describe them, but if you meet a Tiblisitsy family you too will know what I am talking about. BTW: I find this to be true with many Persian Armenians as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 I think this was for me Boghos jan. I know there is going to be lots of generalizations but there are generalizations because most are true. They have lots of spunk to them. They are very old families who at one time or another were very rich, very cultured and very well educated. This was actually true to the 80s. The love to have fun, and dance and sing. They are very artistic. I don't know how to describe them, but if you meet a Tiblisitsy family you too will know what I am talking about. BTW: I find this to be true with many Persian Armenians as well. style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, it was for you Azat jan. Thanks for the insights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 (edited) A bit off subject, but I take you mean Froonz Mkrtichyan. After he passed away the family of this truly a wonderful actor had no money left to put the burial stone. It was Kikabidse(his co star from the Mimino) who sponsored that later when he cam to Armenia and wanted to go to his cemetery to see his friend. Song from Mimino style_images/master/snapback.png TFU! Azatyush this is the third time I make this mistake, of course I meant Froonzik! Do you remember him much? I heard he was a great person, and he's definitely a very talented and funny actor and you can't be serious about his family not having enough money for a stone, after all the famous movies he starred in???!! So they were friends in real life? Actually you are right about Tbilisi Armenians, every single one I've met are really wonderful people. I believe (I may be wrong though) that the intellectuals of Hayastan used to study in Tbilisi as it was considered to be a cultural center. Thanks for the song ponchik, love it! Edit note: correcting a spelling error on my section. Sorry Edited November 11, 2004 by Azat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Ponchik ?? = Azat ? Azat jan shat es poxvel verjers??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 (edited) A bit off subject, but I take you mean Froonz Mkrtichyan. After he passed away the family of this truly a wonderful actor had no money left to put the burial stone. It was Kikabidse(his co star from the Mimino) who sponsored that later when he cam to Armenia and wanted to go to his cemetery to see his friend. Song from Mimino style_images/master/snapback.png I know Azat jan - Kikabidze sold his car in Yerevan to make this gravestone http://armenians.com/Gallery/Panteon/MVC-595F.JPG and it was made by an "Armenian" it's a shame isn't it, we The Armenians who are sooo proud of Frunzik Mher m@krtchyan - and some V@ratsy is having made his grave stone. .... Edited November 11, 2004 by Azat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayq Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 My grandfather was born in Tblisi as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 I am sorry to Gamovor for taking your thread in a different direction(and I do want to learn more about that book) But my favorite scene in the movie was when they are in Rasia(I think) hotel restaurant and they are asking the Russian singers to sing famous Armenian and Georgian songs and these Russians are singing "ov sirun sirun" while Mher dances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 My favorite scene from the movie was at the Court House, when the Judge interrogated Frunzik. It was just classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 How about Frunzik entering the hotel room and automatically yelling: 'Hye es?' His crappy Russian is also hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 The Court House and "Hye es?" were awesome. I think Frunzik comes out of the shower in a towel, singing and combing his hair. In the Courtroom he needed a witness, so he comes up to a guy standing outside the courthouse and tells him that he has honest eyes and if he could be a witness, meanwhile the police comes up to the guy to take him to prison. And the scene when they were dancing together was indeed a classic. The movie was not the same when Frunzik was not in the scenes. What about when he can't find his car and thinks someone stole it, but really he just got parking spots confused, so he starts guarding the scene of crime. And then Kikabidze comes back and says "Slushai Balik jan..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 "Slushai Balik jan..." style_images/master/snapback.png Tvoi machina v sosednem dvore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 "Slushai balik jan, ...style_images/master/snapback.png lol. maybe "Slushai Valiko jan, ..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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