Armen Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 (edited) http://www.hzh.am/Arkhiv/2004/September/11.09/11.09.04.html Scroll down for the appropriate article. Today's Armenian Times carries an article on LTP political legacy as well as information about AT's latest project on "alternative presidential elections", which apparently was a kind of poll conducted by the paper itself. The paper said that the poll's results tell that LTPs supporters were the most acitve participants, which is why he got more "votes". Please, leave a comment!!!. Edited October 7, 2004 by Armen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 He served to the best of his abilities in dificult for Armenia times. The times have changed. To me he would remain as the Armenian Shevarnadze. What Armenian political class should learn is how to share their experience with the present authorities. Not being driven by narrow minded political calculations but serving the nation without being in power. Something positive that we need to learn from American democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted September 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 I voted "Yes but...". My opinion is that LTP did not have the gutts to reject and prevent his family's/friends' involvement in state affairs and the privatization process. And this was the root of Armenia's internal political apathy and as a consequence external political standing. His inability to distance himself from his surroundings created the athmosphere of "elite rights for family and friends" during the devastating early 90s, which destroyed the initial public unity around the process of state creation. This "unity fealing" was crucial for laying the basis of Armenian state. It could have gone after decades, when Armenian had stable policy making process. But this public justice was important in those days. And, as many have said, the inner political problems of nowadys have their roots in early 90s. I could accept his come back if he would come with a new team free of any friends or family including everybody in current HHSH, which makes my original vote a "No" I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Like you said Armen, he let himself be influenced by things he should not be influenced by in his position. But then again, which Armenian president hasn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 As of now LTP is facing a defeat. Even if we consider the "Yes, but..." vote and "Yes" together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 5, 2004 Report Share Posted October 5, 2004 well, i voted "no", but not because i don't like him personally or professionally, but because we are trying to build a democracy in the country not authocracy. what's done is done. he had his chanse and he gave it up. his coming back is not a matter of life and death for him or the country. so... let's move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Agree, Harut. Not with everything you said but with the general idea you've got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Wow, this is getting interesting. Two more people voted for LTP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Vote for Bush!...I mean would you give LTP a second chance? Vote and leave a comment!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 (edited) I voted no. He was currupt, and his foreign policy was rather conciliatory. One important fact - while president he never set foot in Artsax. What kind of a national leader would do that? P.S. I had voted for him the first round though. Edited October 6, 2004 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 i will vote for LTP - if i get teh Menashor for Internet chatt rooms in Armenia no jokes a side - YES FOR LTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 no jokes a side - YES FOR LTP style_images/master/snapback.png Why, why, why!!??? Movses, please explain. You like LTP or you just dislike Kocharian? Side note: don't play with the results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Guys, stop it. Who were those 3 "yes"-es that voted just now. Care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Armen jan indz Menashnorh a xostatsel amen kerp anelu em vro Qocharyan@ eta Artsax qochari pari Samvel Babayani Duduki yerashtutyan tak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 it's all fine now - oen of teh members used 2 accaunts to bid can I bann him ??? or do we suspend him for a year or so ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 Armen jan mi vaxena iyes shat ushadir nayum em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 (edited) Armen jan mi vaxena iyes shat ushadir nayum em style_images/master/snapback.png Eghav aper I have 4 "no"-s, 2 "yes"'s and 1"yes-but" explained. Edited October 6, 2004 by Armen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 it's all fine now - oen of teh members used 2 accaunts to bid can I bann him ??? or do we suspend him for a year or so ??? style_images/master/snapback.png OK, Karabagh war veterans can vote twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 One important fact - while president he never set foot in Artsax. What kind of a national leader would do that? style_images/master/snapback.png Diplomatically that would mean that Armenia recognizes Karabagh as an independent country. It is not Armenia's foreign policy. However, I agree that it is an important fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 MosJan, just wanted to ask you to comment on the credibility of the voters if you see the results (I mean the names). Are they all active members? It is very confucing without comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 Diplomatically that would mean that Armenia recognizes Karabagh as an independent country. It is not Armenia's foreign policy. However, I agree that it is an important fact. style_images/master/snapback.png I was not thinking in those terms, but if we assume that you are right, then one should wonder why Armenia did not have a friendly neighbourly relations with Artsax so much as not to pay an official visit. (Or could it be that nobody in Artsax liked LTP and therefore the latter never got an invitation? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 (edited) I was not thinking in those terms, but if we assume that you are right, then one should wonder why Armenia did not have a friendly neighbourly relations with Artsax so much as not to pay an official visit. (Or could it be that nobody in Artsax liked LTP and therefore the latter never got an invitation? ) style_images/master/snapback.png Armenia has never officially admitted its involvement in Artsakh conflict. If it does it will be immediately declared an agressor. In early 90s I suspect that all governments, especially Turkey and Azerbaijan, were closely following all these kind of details. If you remember in 1996 in Lisabon Armenia was cornered by all OSCE member countries to accept an agreement and refused by vetoing alone the final act of the conferance. Now consider if LTP would have visited Artsakh officially (meaning a recognition), Armenia would have been stoned by everyone. Armenia's policy is to recognize Artsakh after any one member of the U.N. recognizes it. And that's smart. Because if we recognize it now we will be legaly isolated. This will not only do harm to Armenia but to Artsakh as well. Armenia holds negotiations with Azeries because they do not recognize Artsakh as a legal entity (side of conflict etc.) to negotiate with. This is why LTP didn't go there. However, when Kocharian became a President this became a whole different issue as you may guess. As far as I remember he was even present at the 1999 parade Actually, some semantics for our language people: Good neighbourly relations - Baridratsiakan haraberutyunner In case of Georgia it will be: Bari VRATSIAKAN haraberutyunner Edited October 10, 2004 by Armen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 Armen, i left my comment already, but i'll add a couple more. first, bringing back old policians will discourage young people and newcomers to politics from entering into political arena. it will paint a picture of politics being a "game" for old people. second, bringing back old presidents will mean that we are politically bankrupt and have only two-three people to choose from for a president for last 13 years. i certainly don't believe so. i can go on talking about how it will have negative impact on the political atmosphere... such as strengthening the already rooted clan system, how it will undermine the process of building political parties around idealogies and national agends and not certain individuals and short-term goals, etc etc. as you see my opposition is not personally agaist him, but the idea itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 I think Levon's time has passed. We need a Raffi Hovanissian. Like Greece and Latvia, we need a westerner in there to drag the country into the western economies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 I think Levon's time has passed. We need a Raffi Hovanissian. Like Greece and Latvia, we need a westerner in there to drag the country into the western economies. style_images/master/snapback.png Rafi Hovanissian is not a bad idea. He has enough experience to understand how the system works and hence avoid unnecessary conflicts and at the same time have a shot at reform. But does he stand a chance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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