America-Hye Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 He will only stand a chance after Kocharian decides to retire. If enough Armenians in the ROA realize that this is in their best interests, he will prevail. I fear, however, about how accepting some will be of the positive changes he will bring about. There still are Taliban-types in Armenia who want to keep the women barefoot and pregnant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 first, bringing back old policians will discourage young people and newcomers to politics from entering into political arena. it will paint a picture of politics being a "game" for old people. second, bringing back old presidents will mean that we are politically bankrupt and have only two-three people to choose from for a president for last 13 years. i certainly don't believe so. style_images/master/snapback.png Great points Harut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted October 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 America-Hye, Raffi Hovhanissian could be a great candidate. People loved him before the last elections. He supported Demirchian, which kind of depreciated his own standing because Demirchian was not the guy to be supported by him. He is still popular but he's kind of in shadow. Boghos, he clearly has a chance. But he has to grab that chance with his own hands. As all the Armenian politician's of new wave, he behaves like a mother's child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted November 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 MJ, I wanted to ask you ... Do you think LTP acts right by not talking to the people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 MJ, I wanted to ask you ... Do you think LTP acts right by not talking to the people? style_images/master/snapback.png I don't know, Armen. But do you think the people want to hear from him? Have they forgiven him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted November 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 I don't know, Armen. But do you think the people want to hear from him? Have they forgiven him? style_images/master/snapback.png I think as a leader who values his people he should make the first move. It doesn't matter if he is forgiven or not. He should break the barrier. It only takes a degree of sincerety that Armenians has lacked for many years in their interactions between each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 In earlier days, up to 1993 or 94, one of my primary problems with him has been that I have seen him being too arrogant (which I would think would prevent him doing what you as for). However, some of my friends who know him better, and knew him for long time, tell me that I am/was wrong. I would like to see him speak. But who knows...? About a year and a half ago, I thought that his life was hanging on a hair, i.e. he was the target #1 in Armenia for assassination. I think that danger is gone, now. In fact, I think he has to speak, and not as a politician, but someone who has earned a unique place in Armenian history - an Armenian leader who has won one of the most important battles in the history of Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted November 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 In earlier days, up to 1993 or 94, one of my primary problems with him has been that I have seen him being too arrogant (which I would think would prevent him doing what you as for). However, some of my friends who know him better, and knew him for long time, tell me that I am/was wrong. I would like to see him speak. But who knows...? About a year and a half ago, I thought that his life was hanging on a hair, i.e. he was the target #1 in Armenia for assassination. I think that danger is gone, now. In fact, I think he has to speak, and not as a politician, but someone who has earned a unique place in Armenian history - an Armenian leader who has won one of the most important battles in the history of Armenia. style_images/master/snapback.png I think he is arrogant. And also political life in Armenia has made him very egocentric. I think he carries in him all the problems that an Armenian leader personality faces in public politics. Leaders generally are more cynical than the people. But in case of Armenians, when most people have become cynical I think the natural leader will be the one who will rally everyone arround sincerity. No one in Armenia will ever believe in anything other than genuine sincerety. It may sound trivial but I think that is the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 But does it fit into the mainstream Armenian culture? I mean the sincerity. Isn't it against "tghamardkutiun?" It is not really "mucho" to be sincere (to the degree that you desire), isn't it? Obviously, I am being a little sarcastic, but I hope you get my point. Why to blame LTP in something which is a common Armenian cultural quality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted November 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 But does it fit into the mainstream Armenian culture? I mean the sincerity. Isn't it against "tghamardkutiun?" It is not really "mucho" to be sincere (to the degree that you desire), isn't it? Obviously, I am being a little sarcastic, but I hope you get my point. Why to blame LTP in something which is a common Armenian cultural quality? style_images/master/snapback.png That's is a very interesting phonomenon MJ. Strange as it may sound, sincerety is a more natural male charateristic. The "mucho" is not a real male in its essence but an individual balancing of the edge of male hysteria leading to you know what... Current Armenian gayopolitics scandals come to mind. Actually, I think it is not accidental that the current political establishment has reached that point. Insincerety and tradition Armenian sense of justice make the "resonance" that bring them to that condition. That's why we're witnessing this kind of wierd outbursts. Having said that I consider sincerity the real male characteristic, which our leaders lack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 I don't have arguments with you on the subject. But interestingly enough, the same person who can be very sincere in a private circle, cannot be such publicly - according to the Armenian standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted November 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 http://www.hzh.am/05.11.04.html Read my discussion with MJ. Than read the article above. I thought it is only my feeling. Seems like it is general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted November 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 LTP speaks out after the U.S. visit! http://www.a1plus.am/arm/?go=issue&id=22799 http://www.a1plus.am/arm/?go=issue&id=22798 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 TURKEY WANTS TO SEE AAM BACK Azg/arm 14 Dec 04 The All Armenian Movement held its 14th sitting on December 9 to support former Armenian president Levon Ter-Petrosian's reappearance on thepolitical arena. The same day Hatem Jabbarlu, employee of the Caucasian Department of Eurasian Military Research Center in Ankara, posted an article inHaber Analizonline edition urging Turkish government to boost the return of AAM to the political arena. In other words, AAM has pinned its hope on Ter-Petrosian and Turkey - on AAM. So they both supplement each other. But why and how is this possible? Before answering the question we'll mention that Jabbarlu's article was entitled "Rose in Georgia, Orange in Ukraine. May it be Snowdrop in Armenia?". Speaking of the "velvet" and "orange" revolutions in Georgia and Ukraine, the author calls them non-traditional ones, notes that only USA today has the power tocarry out such a revolution and then informs that there are the signs of "snowdrop" revolution in Armenia. According to Jabbarlu, the signs of "snowdrop" revolution became visible in Armenia in March of 2004 when the opposition united around the Ardarutyun Union and rallied against President Robert Kocharian demanding his resignation. He thinks that they gave way to Kocharian, as they "didn't have one ideology and joint strategy". Enumerating the reasons why the opposition failed, Jabbarlu says that it failed because of wrong evaluation of Georgia's "velvet" revolutionas well as opposition's improvident actions that wanted to carry out Georgian scenario without considering inner and foreign developments in Armenia and Kocharian administration's power. Apparently the author accuses the US National Democracy Institute and the so-called Soros Foundation alongside with Armenian opposition of improvidence. Referring to the head of the Yerevan office of Democracy Institute, Chet Roger's support to the opposition and the critiques addressed to pro-Russian parties and NGOs, Jabbarlu says that the Institute was not as much of help in Armenia as it was in Georgia. Besides, neither the Armenian opposition was so strong nor the authorities were that weak for the anti-government movement backed by the American organizations to win. Hatem Jabbarlu speaks of the failure with regret. But he is hopeful that the "velvet" and "orange" revolutions will inspire Armenian opposition. "Though the party of Ardarutyun is the initiator of the upheaval, the All Armenian Movement gets ready for return into the politics. The first president of Armenia, Levon Ter-Petrosian was not active in politics since his resignation. But he has all the chances and abilities to gain people's support if serious propaganda program is implemented. But unique political, economic and social approaches, new strategies as well as cooperation with other oppositional parties are needed to reach the goal. Otherwise, his past of freedom warrior will not be enough to take over the reins". Thus, we may assume that Jabbarlu is ascribing the mission of not only AAM but also the opposition as a whole to Ter-Petrosian reminding the later to turn to the USA for help. Jabbarlu thinks: "Armenian opposition is attracted by the �=80=98orange' revolution. Therefore, the power that will unite the nation by concentrating on socioeconomic and political issues, will unite the political parties, will take into consideration the interests of super powers, first of all the US, will declare of peaceful settlement of the Artsax issue and will lean on the US support will be able to carry out the �=80=98snowdrop�=80=99 revolution". Along with handing the role of opposition spearhead to Ter-Petrosian, Jabbarlu says that by heading the "snowdrop" revolution he will fill his political biography with one more patriotic deed. What's the reason of Turkish author's interest towards Ter-Petrosian? There may be only one reason: Turkey's political calculations. Jabbarlu himself mentions them: "Turkey has to be attentive as to what is going on in its neighboring countries and elaborate scenarios on this developments. It mustespecially concentrate on possible developments in Armenia and meet with Armenian political parties to direct them and to have the right assessment of situation and to draw closer to the possible candidate of presidency". All these measures are needed to weaken the Armenian propaganda in the issue of the so-called genocide and to become a regional super power". Jabbarlu's care for Ter-Petrosian is explicable in the view of the fact that the 14th sitting of the AAM laid the responsibility for the Armenian Genocide not on the Ottoman Empire but the Armenian national-socialist ideology. The only thing Turkey can do now is to wait for Ter-Petrosian to come back to the politics, unite all the oppositional parties around AAM and to lead Armenia to a "snowdrop" revolution in order not to disappoint Turkey. By Hakob Chakrian http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg99092.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectra Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Ինչպես ասում են «Եկել ես սատանի մայլեն ու քյանդրբազ ես խաղ անու՞մ»: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectra Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Ok, in addition to my previous reply, I would like to add this very important comment. I think you guys have totaly lost yourselves and you think that the results for pro-opposition replies can be used in American Televisions, such as AMGA (Which, by the way can face a major penalty from the FCC... Just check out the Russian movies *hint* porography...) ARTN. I know you have never mentioned the Armenian TVs in this thread, but I guess it can be used when the new Elections start in Armenia... Anyway, I voted for R. Kocharian, because he is Armenian. Unlike the other dude from the Hayakhos Hreaneri Sharjum party... Who has sold all major companies dead/alive to the others (non-Armenians). But now I can't vote because it's been a long time that I don't live in Armenia... So I don't know what is going on there... How can I vote for a president of a country where I don't know how was the weather and what did our neighbours talk during the evening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Anyway, I voted for R. Kocharian, because he is Armenian. Unlike the other dude from the Hayakhos Hreaneri Sharjum party... style_images/master/snapback.png Nobody can say that we are not a humorus people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 No, I believe we need fresh faces ideas post soviet mentality. Lets give new generation a chance to break free from present stagnation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 I agree with Armat. This whole generation of leaders that "led" the transformation from the Soviet system are discredited and need to go. Everyone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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