To All Turks And Turk Lovers

[Armen]

but the second possibility is more likely than the first. Which is what it should be.

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Nakharar, imagine if some "patriots" get into the government!

This Highlander is recycling some folk wisdom kinda political toasts he has learnt here and there during the qefs from some similar "patriots" between the 10 and 11 glasses of murelbery vodka.

Nonetheless, these opinions and fealings exist and they are dangerous, more dangerous than Turks.

I believe that we Armenians have a mission (every nation does) and now it becomes clear like a spring water that our first enemy is us. I remember one more case when a nation was put through this test. And they failed it...

[Nakharar]

I have the strange feeling that we invite danger in the first place. Those who have the "best" intentions are usually the ones who create the most havoc. I wonder what might have been if we weren't left to those who define what patriotism is or what it should be. They drowned in their vainglory a long time ago, but someone forgot to wake them up.

[Armenian Highlander]

The sheer ignorance of certain individuals here is absolutely breathtaking.

 

You people are so interested in attacking the messenger that you fail to even understand the message. Incidentally, it was your way of thinking that made Armenians disarm in 1908. It was your way of thinking that caused Armenians to abandon everything they had within their native lands, instead of forming a pa-national front against Turks in 1915. Moreover, it was pathetic individuals like you who just fifteen years ago were yelling "we cant have a war against Azerbaijan." And here you, repeating the same mistakes of your grandfathers.

 

What good is the Genocide recognition going to do you people? Even if Turks did apologize - then what? You people are stuck in am absurd fantasy of creating a utopia within the Caucasus. Hey, brilliant ones, guess what??? Peace in the region never existed because the region is saturate by barbarians. And we have sweet little Armenian children who want to play nice... Your minds do not even see the complete picture. The Turkish, and its friends, could careless less about our tiny landlocked nation. Armenia just gets in there way. Yet, we still have self styled diplomats, who are essentially street porniks, bending over for a superficial apology.

 

Armenians, worldwide, need to place emphasis upon our Republic - not the diaspora. Armenians need to disengage from Turkey - completely. Armenia needs to concentrate on building deep-rooted relations with Russia, Europe and Iran. You geniuses are simply blinded with your self-riotousness. Its simply pathetic and it just shows your incompetence and distorted view of life in general.

 

Please, continue spewing your stupidity I am amused.

[Armenian Highlander]

I am curious to see what you geniuses think about the following:

 

Moreover, I do not want the Turkish government to "ever" end its trade embargo against the Republic of Armenia. the Republic of Armenia needs to desperately emphasize trade and cooperation with Iran and Russia - not Turkey. Besides which, we Armenians really don't need the garbage produced within Turkey for the betterment of Armenia's economy. All sane economists within Armenia understand this. Opening Armenia's borders with Turkey can only benefit the Turkish nation and a few borniks within Armenia economically, and Washington and Tel Aviv, antagonists of Yerevan, strategically

[gurgen]

The sheer ignorance of certain individuals here is absolutely breathtaking.

 

You people are so interested in attacking the messenger that you fail to even understand the message. Incidentally, it was your way of thinking that made Armenians disarm in 1908. It was your way of thinking that caused Armenians to abandon everything they had within their native lands, instead of forming a pa-national front against Turks in 1915. Moreover, it was pathetic individuals like you who just fifteen years ago were yelling "we cant have a war against Azerbaijan." And here you, repeating the same mistakes of your grandfathers.

 

What good is the Genocide recognition going to do you people? Even if Turks did apologize - then what? You people are stuck in am absurd fantasy of creating a utopia within the Caucasus. Hey, brilliant ones, guess what??? Peace in the region never existed because the region is saturate by barbarians. And we have sweet little Armenian children who want to play nice... Your minds do not even see the complete picture. The Turkish, and its friends, could careless less about our tiny landlocked nation. Armenia just gets in there way. Yet, we still have self styled diplomats, who are essentially street porniks, bending over for a superficial apology.

 

Armenians, worldwide, need to place emphasis upon our Republic - not the diaspora. Armenians need to disengage from Turkey - completely. Armenia needs to concentrate on building deep-rooted relations with Russia, Europe and Iran. You geniuses are simply blinded with your self-riotousness. Its simply pathetic and it just shows your incompetence and distorted view of life in general.

 

Please, continue spewing your stupidity I am amused.

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Oh, you're one of those

[Nakharar]

AH, you don't have to put words in my mouth. I don't want to sound like a sore loser but do you actually believe that Armenians had the slightest chance against the Ittihadists given the massive backing they had from Germany whereas Armenians had only lipservice from the Russians? Not to mention that Armenians were outnumbered 10 to 1? That we were gullible that's a fact. We should have never trusted the Ittihadists in the first place when they had their revolution. But I'm not saying that they shouldn't have tried to muster up a defense against them. We would have fallen back and fought with each other anyway. It's one of our national traits. Pontificating about national virtues and crying foul all the time won't get us very far. In fact it has gotten us to the miserable situation we are in now. I am happy that you have seen the light. Even the worst prophet had the best intentions.

[Nakharar]

I don't remember anywhere advocating to establish relationships with the Turks. I agree that it will better, contrary what the EU says and wants for the region, not to establish links with Turkey. I think that's probably one of the few things Turks and Armenians agree about. Living side by side without acknowledging the other is the best solution.

[THOTH]

I don't remember anywhere advocating to establish relationships with the Turks. I agree that it will better, contrary what the EU says and wants for the region, not to establish links with Turkey. I think that's probably one of the few things Turks and Armenians agree about. Living side by side without acknowledging the other is the best solution.

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I disagree completly. This is no solution but an obvious perscription for disaster - particulalry for Armenia...I mena you can't just go on forever with a regional power at your doorstep that has animosity towards you...not a long term plan for success...and there are economic ramifications as well - to not have relations - and we alreadysee some of this - thought there is much black market trade...and again - not a long term plan for success - or even a short term considering Armenais rather bleak economic state...please try to live a bit in the real world...(and stay off that glue...rots your brain cells... )

[DominO123]

Relax about Domino.I'll tell you why this thread is stupid

 

Your very own first sentence is already a stupid point to begin with.If we don't talk with Turks about the bloody past then who Chinese?how do you ever reconcile and move on or expect "punishment" for crimes as you suggesting.Who is going to do the punishing!That's right NOBODY! I am fed up with ultra nationalist thinking in vacuum or thinking they are on the top of the world but actually sitting on top of a bottle!

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Actualy, it's just more than this, he's entire first post was stupid, there is some element worth discussing about, but in every stupidities one may find some elements.

 

Doesn't worth even to start analysing the trash he posted. I've been discussing with Turks for 5 years, and I think I am one of the best placed to tell how the Turks react, and how the Armenians react... and what I can say is that what he represent as a "fact" is not what happen... there are cathegories of Turks, and cathegories of Armenians, of course there are common behavours among Turks, so as Armenians... but AHs post does not retrace the essence or many of the most common of those behavours.

 

And the end of his post is the most stupid and idiotic thing that he could have come with. He ask from the Turks to indulge themselves in a self-genocide... what he want from Turks is the many methods Turks have used to vanish the Armenian identity...

 

And to end up, I already affirmed that I will not engage myself in worthless discussions that have no end, I have nor the interest nor the energy.

 

I sometimes pass my time answering some idiots, but its just for fun, I don't expect discussions.

 

And for some parasits that may deform my alias... just an information for them about the history of this alias.

 

Dominox

F!ck

Any

Denialist

Idiot

 

And the X comes from the Matrix.

[Nakharar]

I don't think that there is animosity but total indifference by the Turks. There is not much love lost between the Turks and Armenians that's for sure. (Surprise, surprise) I'm rather for a cold peace and minimal relations than for constant irritation between the two sides. It will be best for the psyche of both nations to keep separate. Afterall you don't coerce a dysfunctional couple to live with each other.

[Armenian Highlander]

Within a single trashy reply you insulted me by 'directly' calling me stupid, idiot and a parasite. Silly me, I should have realized earlier that your avatar was your self-portrait.

 

I am embraced to realize that such low life filth exists within our nation. I don’t know and I don't care where you are from, nevertheless, please stay in whichever cesspool of the Diaspora you currently live in. Furthermore, please, please, please, for our people's sake - do not have any children.

 

Dominox

F!ck

Any

Denialist

Idiot

 

And the X comes from the Matrix.

 

Woooooooooooooooow, I am so impressed with your boundless intelligence. I change my mind about you... You are so cool man. Can I be your friend? Incidentally, have you gone through puberty yet?

Edited September 24, 2004 by Armenian Highlander

[Armenian Highlander]

Why do some of you people post only insults? If that is the accepted standard within this forum - I can do like wise.

 

The persons here called "Nakharar" and "Armensarg" at least have the integrity to discuss this very important topic. I could careless whether they agree with me or not, that is not my concern. Nevertheless, it is obvious that they have at least given this important topic some thought.

 

THOTH: I care less about your comments, I have been exposed to the crap you spew. Go pollute elsewhere.

 

FIDEX: if you do not think this thread meets your high intellectual standards, I ask you to korir. Go find your self a smart thread, I would hate for you to waste your precious brain cells here.

 

Armat: this thread is too stupid for you as well. You need to go elsewhere also. However, don't forget to come back after you graduate from high school.

Edited September 24, 2004 by Armenian Highlander

[DominO123]

Within a single trashy reply you insulted me by 'directly' calling me stupid, idiot and a parasite. Silly me, I should have realized earlier that your avatar was your self-portrait.

 

I am embraced to realize that such low life filth exists within our nation. I don’t know and I don't care where you are from, nevertheless, please stay in whichever cesspool of the Diaspora you currently live in. Furthermore, please, please, please, for our people's sake - do not have any children.

 

Dominox

F!ck

Any

Denialist

Idiot

 

And the X comes from the Matrix.

 

Woooooooooooooooow, I am so impressed with your boundless intelligence. I change my mind about you... You are so cool man. Can I be your friend? Incidentally, have you gone through puberty yet?

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Be enough kind to show me where I have called you a stupid and an idiot.

 

As for "parasits, "where have I specifically pointed you as being a parasit... I am talking about some parasits that may modify my alias, as one past member that I would swear being you're clone if I were to have your level of paranoia.

 

Or maybe you're level of education is to be blamed for your incapacity to restrict yourself from slandering people when discussing? Or perhaps, maybe you need to forge supposed attacks I directed against your person to then inject your venom by slandering me and plead self-defence?

 

But don't worry, since I'm a nice guy, I will just suppose that you recognised yourself in my description about idiots, when I was even not implying you in particular.

Edited September 24, 2004 by Fadix

[ED]

FIDEX: if you do not think this thread meets your high intellectual standards, I ask you to korir. Go find your self a smart thread, I would hate for you to waste your precious brain cells here.

 

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And who the hell are you do decide who can post here and who can’t? and that’s Domino, this is the last warning you'll get before getting an official one, get you act together and stop insulting members, and this goes for all who are involved here on this thread, otherwise you'll leave no choice for moderators except closing it.

 

That is all !

[MosJan]

Why do some of you people post only insults? If that is the accepted standard within this forum - I can do like wise.

 

The persons here called "Nakharar" and "Armensarg" at least have the integrity to discuss this very important topic. I could careless whether they agree with me or not, that is not my concern. Nevertheless, it is obvious that they have at least given this important topic some thought.

 

THOTH: I care less about your comments, I have been exposed to the crap you spew. Go pollute elsewhere.

 

FIDEX: if you do not think this thread meets your high intellectual standards, I ask you to korir. Go find your self a smart thread, I would hate for you to waste your precious brain cells here.

 

Armat: this thread is too stupid for you as well. You need to go elsewhere also. However, don't forget to come back after you graduate from high school.

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Feduli you have used way to meny "could careless" in one singel post

 

 

 

 

all of you please Relax & calm dawn

[Armenian Highlander]

And who the hell are you do decide who can post here and who can’t? and that’s Domino, this is the last warning you'll get before getting an official one, get you act together and stop insulting members, and this goes for all who are involved here on this thread, otherwise you'll leave no choice for moderators except  closing it.

 

That is all !

 

You are loosing it. Are you this high strung in real life as well??? You concern me man. Relax, your going to pop a nerve.

 

Friend, you obviously have a temper problem - you need a long vacation and some medication. When a 'virtual' world begins to give you uncontrolled tremors, its time to go and sit by the ocean and listen to the soothing sounds of the waves splashing against the rocks, as you watch the sun descend into the horizon. You need to smell the clean breeze of the fresh air as you hear the seagulls chirping above your head. You need to sit under a palm tree and drink some chamomile tea with some French biscuits on the side.

 

Edward, you are worrying me. I would feel terrible if you had a brain aneurysm brought upon by your uncontrolled rage that, for some inexplicable reason, you portray towards me.

 

I can almost see the foam spewing out of your mouth. Now... RELAX!!!

[Armenian Highlander]

It is sad that this essentially "anti-Turk" thread is causing such a stir within this virtual Armenian community. Heck, as if everyone is foaming at the mouth every time I make a post. Guys, is it me ? Everyone here is practically ganging up on me Damn, what happened to a fair fight? Oh, oh, or better yet... what is the point of attacking a fellow Armenian because of his anti-Turk remarks??? The reactions I am getting here is very, very revealing, not to mention utterly sad.

 

However, one of the intents of this thread was to overtly attack the genocide mentality (or victim mentality) that most Diaspora Armenians today, such as yourselves, express. Most of you have is mental problem, yet, you do not know it. It’s become a part of your personal character and identity of who you are. This mental disorder is all you are made of and it is your only anchor preserving your ethnic identity. That is why I say God forbid Turks ever recognized the Armenian Genocide - in which case most of you will disappear into outer utopia.

 

Nevertheless, gamavor did make a good point when he said "That way finally we will get rid of those Armenians whose only connection with being Armenian is the Armenian Genocide. One more reason to push Turkey to recognize it." Yes, I am looking forward to the day when my nations gets rid of certain types of people, nevertheless, I am not holding my breath.

 

Is gamavor the only one within this forum who sees this?

 

You people don't have to agree with me over my expressed rhetoric within this thread. However, when you start breathing fire and growing claws every time you see me post, realize that you people have a serious psychological disorder. You are not attacking me because of your ideological and/or rhetoric disagreements with me, you are attacking me because I am challenging what you have believed in all your lives. I am in essence attacking your personal identity - that is why some of you people here are acting like i am devil.

 

Brilliant ones, I am an anti-Turk, this is MY ideology and I shall be this way for the rest of my life. As an Armenian Nationalist, I can never foresee my noble nation ever again living side-by-side with Turks. Moreover, I firmly believe that the Turkish state will disintegrate within our life times. I would hate to be sleeping at the wheels again, as our grandparents did eighty years ago.

[Armat]

You are a prefect examples of what I call - post-genocide self-hate syndrom. Subsequently, your shallow comments are expected.

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AH

Enlighten me about my self-hatred! As for shallow comments? My comments were sufficient in content to expose the deficiency of your arguments. You may have a good heart, meaning your care (?)or love(?) for Armenians however your arrogance conversing with others makes an impression of Porotakhos

[Armat]

Some on this thread keep saying things like Diaspora Armenians depended on AG for their identity bla bla bla

Total crap!

There have been numerous Armenians who devoted countless hours to counter attack the Turkish denial and Turkish propaganda machine from overtaking US universities with garbage history and this efforts were not done because these Diaspora Armenians had no other connection for being Armenian but because the gravity of the AG issues forces this devoted people to act on their moral conscious! Get it! AG does not define Diaspora whatever!AG only presides as one of many important issues we still have to deal with. It is totally repulsive to say that this well-meaning good-hearted Armenians had nothing better to identify themselves with other then AG. What a preposterous generalization!

Do you actually assume that my family and my kids are depended on AG for my identity? That is a total nonsense! My kids go to Armenian school, sing beautiful Armenian songs and I am proud that they identify themselves Armenian first before American but nevertheless the AG plays no role in their identity! Wife and myself included!

The point here is that don’t disrespect the Armenians who are in minute minority who care about the AG. They should be thanked at least!! The opposite spectrum there exist vast numbers of Armenian who care only about $$$ and korovats.

[DominO123]

Some on this thread keep saying things like Diaspora Armenians depended on AG for their identity bla bla bla

Total crap!

There have been numerous Armenians who devoted countless hours to counter attack the Turkish denial and Turkish propaganda machine from overtaking US universities with garbage history and this efforts were not done because these Diaspora Armenians had no other connection for being Armenian but because the gravity of the AG issues forces this devoted people to act on their moral conscious! Get it! AG does not define Diaspora whatever!AG only presides as one of many important issues we still have to deal with. It is totally repulsive to say that this well-meaning good-hearted Armenians had nothing better to identify themselves with other then AG. What a preposterous generalization!

Do you actually assume that my family and my kids are depended on AG for my identity? That is a total nonsense! My kids go to Armenian school, sing beautiful Armenian songs and I am proud that they identify themselves Armenian first before American but nevertheless the AG plays no role in their identity! Wife and myself included!

The point here is that don’t disrespect the Armenians who are in minute minority who care about the AG. They should be thanked at least!! The opposite spectrum there exist vast numbers of Armenian who care only about $$$ and korovats.

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The claim that the recognition of the Armenian genocide will make the diaspora disapear is a Turkish propaganda. The Turks claims that the genocide is an invention to keep the Armenian identity.

 

To claim that the genocide is responsable of keeping the Armenian identity, one must measure the consequences of such a recognition on the parametters we use to qualify what is an Armenian.

 

Would the recognition change anything on the knowledge of the Armenian language? Will parents stop sending their children in Armenian schools? Will Armenians start talking less Armenian as a consequences? Will they start eating less Armenian food? Will they stop frequenting Armenians as a consequences? Will they stop listing Armenian music? Will they etc...?

 

It is true that the Armenian genocide give a common causes for the Armenians to fight for, past that, I don't see how someone can say that the genocide maintain the diaspora. Am I missing something? Matbe TB could enlighten me about this if he is reading this thread.

 

And beside that, claiming such thing is a disrespect to people that fight to get the genocide recognised, to inform about the genocide, to educate etc...

Edited September 27, 2004 by Edward