DominO123 Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Dear Fedex: The following is what enker Artsakh tried to state: due to the Armenian Genocide, the entire Armenian population of Anatolia was displaced and were thus forced to live elsewhere. Therefore, you, my dear Fedex, were born outside of historic Armenia due to the "free will" that Turks exercised in expelling your relatives from their native lands. style_images/master/snapback.png I registered here with an alias, and I expect to be called with that name unless I agree to be called otherwise(which in this cases I disagree). Reread his post, he question others ability to comprehend that we were not born in a region not because of our free will. Free will in any cases doesn't apply here... because no one is born somewhere because he wanted to live in that place. I think my comment was clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenian Highlander Posted September 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 nationalism, patriotism, or whatever you want to name it, the meaning is true love for ones country, nation, history, culture, language, and music. It doesn't matter where an armenian is born. if they cannot comprehend that they were born in a foreign land not because of their free will, but because evil forces drove us from our lands and caused us to flee, then you are not only not a patriot or nationalist, but you're not armenian. Enker Artsakh: You seem to be one of the few true patriots within this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Enker Artsakh: You seem to be one of the few true patriots within this forum. style_images/master/snapback.png You have succeeded of achieving by making an ass out of your self in this forum rejecting and overlooking vast majority of members who one way or another expressed there patriotism regarding Armenia, such a bold statement wont win you a favorable place among many, not only here but in Armenian community in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 Since the Armenian highlands are the birthplace of civilisation, Armenian Highlander must be civilised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted September 18, 2004 Report Share Posted September 18, 2004 it doesn't matter where an armenian is born. if they cannot comprehend that they were born in a foreign land not because of their free will, but because evil forces drove us from our lands and caused us to flee, then you are not only not a patriot or nationalist, but you're not armenian. I disagree with this statement since they are thousands of Armenians left Armenia due to economical reasons and it had nothing to do with patriotism, this fact also includes pre genocide immigration as well. My both sons are born in US and their births had nothing to do with the AG and everything to do with my father who hated the communists. They are countless versions of patriotism and sadly this word has been used to create artificial divisions among our political parties. One’s patriotism is another’s excuse to jail and suppress free speech as the case right now in Armenia. Come to think about it patriotism is almost like faith we each see it differently but the under current themes are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenian Highlander Posted September 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 You have succeeded of achieving by making an ass out of your self in this forum rejecting and overlooking vast majority of members who one way or another expressed there patriotism regarding Armenia, such a bold statement wont win you a favorable place among many, not only here but in Armenian community in general. You have just succeeded in making an ass (vor) out of your self because I also thought of you as a patriotic Armenian. However, now, I am seriously beginning to reevaluate my 'favorable' impression of you <_< . Incidentally, I am not looking for 'virtual' friends and I have a very comfortable place within MY community - everybody just loves me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsakh Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Armat: you don't seem to comprehend what i'm trying to say. my point is, regardless of where any person is born or where they live, they are worthless and useless in general if they don't recongize and respect their own roots first and foremost. Where is the basis of your opposition to this? have u ever come across a jew who is indifferent to the Nazi persecution of jews? there are jews who grew up in the US without ever stepping foot in Israel, however their mindset, ideology, and soul puts Jews and Israel FIRST AND FOREMOST, which is what makes them successful and advanced as a people. There are jews who leave Israel and come to the US in large numbers. Similarily, this doesn't mean they are not patriots. for where ever in this world they are, they will always respect themselves. there are not countless versions of patriotism, there is only 1 definition. both your sons were born in the US and it had nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide? of course it did. if the genocide didn't occur, your ancestors wouldn't flee to the Republic of Armenian (before it was sovietized) for refuge. pre genocide immigration???? you mean after the 1985-6 massacres of 300,000 Armenians under the Sultan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 (edited) You have just succeeded in making an ass (vor) out of your self because I also thought of you as a patriotic Armenian. However, now, I am seriously beginning to reevaluate my 'favorable' impression of you <_< . Incidentally, I am not looking for 'virtual' friends and I have a very comfortable place within MY community - everybody just loves me . style_images/master/snapback.png Well incidentally, occasionally, and for your sake lastly, I wish your VOR will bring more joy and happiness for many years to come among those who surround you in your community If there is nothing else, then kindly please, get the F#@#$%% out of my sight ! Edited September 20, 2004 by Edward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Armat: you don't seem to comprehend what i'm trying to say. my point is, regardless of where any person is born or where they live, they are worthless and useless in general if they don't recongize and respect their own roots first and foremost. Where is the basis of your opposition to this? have u ever come across a jew who is indifferent to the Nazi persecution of jews? there are jews who grew up in the US without ever stepping foot in Israel, however their mindset, ideology, and soul puts Jews and Israel FIRST AND FOREMOST, which is what makes them successful and advanced as a people. There are jews who leave Israel and come to the US in large numbers. Similarily, this doesn't mean they are not patriots. for where ever in this world they are, they will always respect themselves. there are not countless versions of patriotism, there is only 1 definition. both your sons were born in the US and it had nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide? of course it did. if the genocide didn't occur, your ancestors wouldn't flee to the Republic of Armenian (before it was sovietized) for refuge. pre genocide immigration???? you mean after the 1985-6 massacres of 300,000 Armenians under the Sultan? style_images/master/snapback.png For the lack of time I’ll be brief. 1.I responded to your paragraph concretely. 2. I do understand where you are coming from but still disagree how you are arriving to your conclusion. 3.My family went to Armenia from Iran and I repeat it had nothing to do with AG. 4. pre genocide immigration???? you mean after the 1985-6 massacres of 300,000 Armenians under the Sultan?The correct date is The Armenian Massacres in 1894-1896 5. I would suggest you think about patriotism in larger context, which I stated in my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsakh Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 For the lack of time I’ll be brief. 1.I responded to your paragraph concretely. ------i'm still waiting for a reply, there was nothing concrete about it. 3.My family went to Armenia from Iran and I repeat it had nothing to do with AG. --------and thats the point i was trying to make. how exactly did they arrive to iran? our ancestors were driven from their homeland like a shepherd to the sheep. as a result, their children grew up not on armenian soil. may not have been the result of the 1915 Armenian Genocide, but it was certainly not the free will of our ancestors to leave their homeland. they were forcefully driven against their will from their homes, their land. along the way, rapes did occur, and people were massacred( though on a small scale). this in a nut shell, is what happened to the armenian people. we didn't just come out of thin air into this or that country. one way or another, Armenians are mostly in the diaspora because their ancestory were forcefully driven, or they were forced to flee: to put it simply, against their will. and if you are indifferent to the sufferings of your own ancestors, well then what else is there to say? you are no different and no less damaging that those very same evil forces. that's assuming that you are indeed armenian, which i doubt. this forum is run by non-armenians, so im not too suprised at the view held by many "Armenian" forum members. The correct date is The Armenian Massacres in 1894-1896 5. I would suggest you think about patriotism in larger context, which I stated in my post. ---------sorry about the innocent error, which you didn't reply to by the way, you mean after the 1895-6 Armenians massacres under hamid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Artsakh I am humbly giving you the torch. I realized that I am not qualified to discuss with you since my Jewish background is evidently overwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 (edited) this forum is run by non-armenians, so im not too suprised at the view held by many "Armenian" forum members. style_images/master/snapback.png For your information, this forum is run by the authors of armenians.com and every other sites on its index, making it with cilicia.com the largest Web Armenian society. If the authors are indeed non Armenian, I think every Armenians on this planet should be ashamed that they are no match in producing such a Virtual Armenian society. The same authors give us a forum to write what we(this includes you) have to say. If you are not happy with the way this forum is run, the door is open, no one is forcing you to stay. According to this study you too have healing powers... http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/a...cts/v14n3a2.php Why don't you heal us treacherous Armenians and make us real Patriotic ones... afterall don't you want every Armenians to think like you? Edited September 20, 2004 by Fadix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayemyes Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 by making an ass out of your self get the F#@#$%% out of my sight im not a moderator or antyhign here and i decieded not to interfere in this thread...and this isnt influenced by my personal liking for anyone, but it just seems unfair how some ppl have a kind of "carte blanche" when they insult someone and others, if they say the slightest thing are scolded or marginalized by everyone else without any hard feelings for anyone...its just a matter of principle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenian Highlander Posted September 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Well incidentally, occasionally, and for your sake lastly, I wish your VOR will bring more joy and happiness for many years to come among those who surround you in your community. That was actually funny. However, I am a bit concerned about you Mr. Edward. You are displaying signs of homophobia... You do know what they say about homophobes - don't you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenian Highlander Posted September 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 If there is nothing else, then kindly please, get the F#@#$%% out of my sight ! Does mother know you speak this way in public little Edward? And, you are a moderator...??? Little children like you need a good spanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenian Highlander Posted September 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Incidentally, why have some of you Caped Crusaders gone off topic? This thread addresses the 'futility' of discussing the Armenian Genocide with Turks and the futility of coexistence between Armenians with Turks. Yet, some of you 'bright-lights' are too busy attacking and swearing and ridiculing and belittling and antagonizing other Armenians. Some of you are esentially acting as pathetic as your grandfathers who cheerfully went to their slaughter. Is there anyone within this forum who can debate the intended thread topic without going hysterical or splattering crap all over their computer screens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 nationalism, patriotism, or whatever you want to name it, the meaning is true love for ones country, nation, history, culture, language, and music. it doesn't matter where an armenian is born. if they cannot comprehend that they were born in a foreign land not because of their free will, but because evil forces drove us from our lands and caused us to flee, then you are not only not a patriot or nationalist, but you're not armenian. style_images/master/snapback.png but how can a patriot be born from non-patriotic ancestors? after all, a true patriot would stand on his land, fight against the evil forces and perish with honor than flee his land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 You do know what they say about homophobes - don't you??? style_images/master/snapback.png They?! Screw them! You know how normal Armenian patriots and heroes treat homos, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 (edited) Does mother know you speak this way in public little Edward? And, you are a moderator...??? Little children like you need a good spanking. style_images/master/snapback.png And after such posts you ask people to stay on topic? Your sarcasm has no bound, you have even to include ones mother in your discussion, unfortunitly you have no clue of what you just said. I won't add more about this. As for Ed. being a moderator, he is a very competant moderator, and very patient at that... you do have a chance to be given the opportunity to yap, yap and yap... without patient moderators like him, you would have been banned before even posting this stupid thread. What I can say though, moderators here may have patience, but patience has limits, continue abusing this forum, and you'll see whom will be spanked out from here. And don't bark and tell that you are not very well treated because of your opinions, you can believe Earth is flat for all I care... but that you start slandering others because they do not share your points, this, I have a problem with. Of course you don't give a st of what I have to say... you see, even we have things in common, while I don't give a sht of what you think, you as well don't give a sht of what I do think. Edited September 20, 2004 by Fadix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenian Highlander Posted September 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 you would have been banned before even posting this stupid thread Mr. Fedex: Why would you have banned me? Why do you consider this thread stupid? I am 'impatiently' waiting for your answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Mr. Fedex: Why would you have banned me? Why do you consider this thread stupid? I am 'impatiently' waiting for your answers. style_images/master/snapback.png If you want me to take you seriously enough to answer... stop defforming my name... unless you support the Turkish theses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenian Highlander Posted September 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 but how can a patriot be born from non-patriotic ancestors? Because patriotism is not genetically inherited - its an intellectual and spiritual enlightenment certain individuals have in their life times. Sort of being "born again" if you will . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenian Highlander Posted September 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 unless you support the Turkish theses This went over my head, am I missing some thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenian Highlander Posted September 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 They?! Screw them! You know how normal Armenian patriots and heroes treat homos, don't you? Relax Tiger. Take a deep breath... Now... What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 Relax Tiger. Take a deep breath... Now... What are you talking about? style_images/master/snapback.png Address members with there proper names or face to be warned again, have respect and courtesy to others, moderating team has gone to the extend being over tolerant regarding your arrogance, take this as a friendly warning and get your act together if you ever want to post here again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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