MartyRoss Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Armenians in other teams, as far as I know... ------------------------------------- Varderes Samourgashev - Russia - Wrestling Vanes Martirossian - USA - Boxing Armen Nazarian - Bulgaria - Wrestling Karina Aznavourian - Russia - Fencing David Poghosian - Georgia - Wrestling Armen Vardanian - Ukraine - Wrestling Ara Abrahamian - Sweden - Wrestling Artur Aivazian - Ukraine - Shooting and David Nalbandian - Argentina - Tennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 (edited) Let me ruin your afternoon guys! Macedonia - Armenia 4-0. This is for UEFA World Cup qualifications. Why Armenian team sports suck and Why we are one of the best in individual sports? http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/WorldCup/FixturesResults/ Edited August 19, 2004 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Why Armenian team sports suck and Why we are one of the best in individual sports? Excellent question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 No medals yet. http://www.livingroom.org.au/olympics/olym...medal_table.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Why Armenian team sports suck and Why we are one of the best in individual sports? I always wondered how did Ararat-73 manage to win the Soviet cup agaist such teams as Zenith, Spartak, Dinamo Kiev, Dinamo Tbilisi etc. And this is obviously the best sport achievement Armenians have in team sports. I think the answer is that the collectivization that USSR government was imposing on its citizens, with all its negativities, had a positive impact on nations like Armenians. It forcefully developed the statehood mentality (teamwork) that these kind of nations otherwise reject. By the late 80s this small embrio of collective action helped Armenia to withstand the first security challenge, the NK problem, even parellel with the 88 earthquake's severe blow, which in turn galvanized and cemented this unity to the highest possible point. When you talk to the Azeries they always say that it was the Russian's fighting for Armenians in Artsakh. Now we wasted this unity alltogether. We're back to Hovhannes Toumanian's "Mkneri Zhoghove", where every mouse carries its daily small piece of cheese to its corner and gives God a prayer for another day of peaceful life. But the question always stands: whose gonna Bell the Cat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Meanwhile in UAE............ ---------------------------------------------------------- Gulf News, United Arab Emirates Aug 18 2004 Anastasian and Gleizerov emerge as joint leaders after third round By A Staff Reporter Abu Dhabi : Grandmasters Ashot Anastasian of Armenia and Evgeny Gleizerov of Russia emerged as joint leaders with a score of 3 points after the third round of the Masters' Championship at the Abu Dhabi Chess Festival. Bocharov (left) and Kobalia during their third round match. ©Gulf News Grandmaster P Harikrishna of India scored an emphatic victory over GM Safin Shukhrat of Uzbekistan to move into joint third spot in the $16,000 tournament being played under FIDE's swiss rules. With six rounds still remaining in this 56-player event, six players - GMs Dmitry Bocharov, Mikhail Kobalia (both Russia), Artashes Minasian (Armenia), Marat Dzhumaev (Uzbekistan), Ghaem Maghami Ehsan (Iran) and Harikrishna are half a point adrift with 2.5 points each. A pack of 11 players, including top seed GM Evegeny Vladimirov of Kazakhstan and GM Tejas Bakre, share the ninth spot with 2 points apiece. Harikrishna is known for his technical skills in the endgame and yet again his strong point came to fore against Shukhrat who always thought he was within striking distance of achieving a drawn position. Playing the white side of a Nimzo Indian, Harikrishna opted for the Capablanca variation and went for a long game. Shukhrat fought quite well in the first time control and it looked as though he would survive White's well-conceived onslaught on both flanks. But once Harikrishna opened the position completely, even trading of pawns at regular intervals failed to deliver the goods for the Uzbek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I congratulate everyone on keeping your morale so high, and pretending that Armenians competing for other countries somehow contributes to "Armenian Success". When we were stateless, that was true enough. But now, it's meaningless. Except when I try to scrounge up some sort of "Armenian success" to show my little kids. But we are not little kids. Anyway, sorry for being a party-pooper. Can't avoid melancholic I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 (edited) Shall we delete the information about the Armenians in foreign teams TB? Hey, did you tell your kids you're posting on a bulletin board Edited August 19, 2004 by ArmenSarg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 But Armen, Same policy was forced upon on others as well, I think success of (by the way Ararat won the cap in 75 also) was due to at times the enormous progression in football, such a names as Pele, Revelino, Oscar, Junior, Trezor, Muller.........stars in there own with no equal.... my opinion is it was what 60's was for rock and roll, and 70's to football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 That was only my opinion and impression Edward. It may well be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 (edited) I don't know about you but every time I hear TEAM WORK, TEAM PLAYER, TEAM blah, blah, the bell that rings in my head is irresponsibility. Edited August 19, 2004 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 When everyone is committed to his resposibility it is already a teamwork. Or to perephraze it, that's what the teamwork is. We don't need to develop an image of a choban herding his sheep and call it teamwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Shall we delete the information about the Armenians in foreign teams TB? No (not that you should take orders from me). But it makes me sad to see them, not proud or happy. Hey, did you tell your kids you're posting on a bulletin board What's that supposed to mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 That was only my opinion and impression Edward. It may well be wrong. was also my observation Armen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 No (not that you should take orders from me). But it makes me sad to see them, not proud or happy. It makes me proud, happy and sad at the same time. What's that supposed to mean? Your message brought me to a conclusion that I may be viewed as a kid because I cheer for Armenians in other teams. I just tried to show that different people can view different things as kid stuff. Like posting in a bulletin board may be viewed as such by some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 It makes me proud, happy and sad at the same time. Your message brought me to a conclusion that I may be viewed as a kid because I cheer for Armenians in other teams. I just tried to show that different people can view different things as kid stuff. Like posting in a bulletin board may be viewed as such by some people. Ah, I see. Well, I didn't mean to "accuse" you of being childish. However, I would be glad to be accused of being so [fat chance of that ]. As for posting on a bulletin board. I expressed in a much earlier post my reason for doing so (basically to sharpen and crytallize my thoughts). While it is not childish, it would not be entirely inappropriate to say that it is as "adolescent" as masturbation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 (edited) FROM THE EUROPEAN OLYMPIC COMMUNITIES SITE BREIF HISTORY OF ARMENIA'S OLYMPIC TRADITION The history of Armenian sport takes it's beginning from ancient times. Sport in Armenia always was a one of the most important elements of the state's life. The traditional national festival of sport and art "Navasard" were a big success in the country like the famous Olympic Games in Greece. Armenian sport had a strong reputation in the ancient sports world. The names of Armenian King Trdat of Arshakouni, who became the winner of the 265th Olympic Games in wrestling in 281 A.D. and King Varazdat, who was the champion of 291st Olympic Games in fighting (modern boxing) became the legends and symbols of Armenian sports history. After the loss of statehood in the Middle Ages, the Armenian people didn't loose their love for sports. There were many national sport clubs and teams in many other countries where Armenians were living before the restoration of Armenian Statehood in 1918. That historic period was critical for the young Republic. The famous question of prince Hamlet, "to be or not to be", was very real for Armenia. But sport continued its life in the country. The revival of statehood was a historical date for Armenian sport and it was not by accident at all that Armenia has always been one of the leading sports republics of the ex-USSR. Herein are only some facts that generally illustrate the sports history. Thirty-five Armenian sportsmen have taken part in all the Olympic Games. Twelve of them won the champion's title 16 times, 14 sportsmen won 15 times silver and bronze medals in Olympiads, 23 sportsmen won 42 world championships, 37 sportsmen became European champions 55 times and 18 sportsmen won 22 World Cups. Many of them are taking an active part not only in Armenian sports, but also in the life of international sports. The names of Olympic champions such as Hrant Shahinyan and Albert Azaryan (gymnastics), Vladimir Yengibaryan (boxing), Hrachya Petikyan (shooting), Yuri Vardanyan (weightlifting), World and European champions Benur *****yan (wrestling) Yuri Sarkisyan (weightlifting), boxers Israel Akopkokhyan and Nshan Mounchyan and many others are well known in the sports world. Armenian sport has earned a high reputation in the Summer Olympic Games of Barcelona '92 that was confirmed after the proclamation of Independence of Armenia in '91. Five Armenian athletes took part in the Olympiad and four of them earned three gold and one silver medal. The National Olympic Committee of Armenia was founded in October 1991. However September of 1993 became the historical date for Armenian sport. This was when the International Olympic Committee recognised the Armenian NOC. And in February 1994, the Republic of Armenia debuted for the first time in an Olympiad (winter Olympic Games-94 in Lillehammer) as an independent state and became integrated into the International Olympic Family. Now Armenia not only is going to send athletes abroad for participation but also hopes to host international competitions. There are many high-class sports arenas in Armenia which were the sites of many prestigious tournaments. Among these there are "Hrazdan" stadium, Tsakhadzor sports base, velodrome, "Tzitzernakaberd" sport hall and many others. An official IOC delegation has visited Armenia and the President, H.E. Juan Antonio Samaranch, President of the ANOC Mr. Mario Vazquez-Raña, EOC President, Dr. Jacques Rogge, and other members of the delegation became acquainted with the current sports situation in Armenia. The delegation's visit was very useful and lifted the hopes for all the Armenian people because the leaders of the international Olympic Organisations have promised to support sport in Armenia. The IOC, EOC, and ANOC always were helping the NOC of Armenia and it was very important for national sports. The Armenian people are grateful to all the International Olympic Family for this backing. The NOC of Armenia, all sports organisations and sportsmen in the Republic are preparing for their participation in the international competitions. In spite of the economic crisis, blockades, the lack of many important products, electricity and gas, our sportsmen aimed for a worthy representation in '94 for the centennial year. And also for the 100 year anniversary of the founding of the modern Olympic games in '96. The two important dates in the world's sports history. The Armenian sports organisations and sportsmen have began a dedicated preparation for the Olympic Games in Sydney 2000. The President, Mr. Benur *****yan, and the Secretary General, Mr. Nshan MUNCHYAN, are proudly looking forward to continuing the NOC's tradition in these upcoming Games. http://www.eurolympic.org/jahia/Jahia/cach...04?language=eng Edited August 19, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 While it is not childish, it would not be entirely inappropriate to say that it is as "adolescent" as masturbation. OK, so I'm adolescent now? Well, you are childish sir I happened to catch a glimpse of the games tonight and I certainly saw a very insprining set of events ... first the US women 4x200 break the world record and then Paul Hamm from non other place than Wisconsin bounces back from being in 12th place with a 9.1 (after falling) to do a few near perfect routines to win the gold in the overall individual men's gymnastics. All I can say is WOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Damn, Martirossian is out. The Cuban was very experienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Start Order Draw No. Name NOC DOB Entry Total 1 6 FERI Attila HUN 24/09/1968 370.0 2 13 BARKHAH Mohammad Hossein IRI 24/01/1977 370.0 3 62 PEREPETCHENOV Oleg RUS 06/09/1975 370.0 4 80 MITROU Viktor GRE 24/06/1973 370.0 5 87 ALEKSANYAN Gevorg ARM 04/07/1981 365.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Well, you are childish sir Well thank you sir. I wish you were sincere in your accusation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Damn, Martirossian is out. The Cuban was very experienced. Thought he did quite well, could have been a bit more agressive in the 3rd and 4th rounds, but then again, the Cuban was very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 For Gold Medal BOUT RESULTS FRI 20 AUG 2004 MATCH : 13 PISTE : A RUS 34 Final 28 GER Time Fencer Touches Score vs Score Touches Fencer 1:45 LOGOUNOVA Tatiana 2 2 -- 0 0 DUPLITZER Imke 2:52 AZNAVOURIAN Karina 2 4 -- 1 1 HEIDEMANN Britta 2:47 ERMAKOVA Oxana 1 5 -- 1 0 BOKEL Claudia 2:58 AZNAVOURIAN Karina 3 8 -- 1 0 DUPLITZER Imke 3:00 LOGOUNOVA Tatiana 1 9 -- 3 2 BOKEL Claudia 2:47 ERMAKOVA Oxana 7 16 -- 9 6 HEIDEMANN Britta 3:00 AZNAVOURIAN Karina 1 17 -- 13 4 BOKEL Claudia 3:00 ERMAKOVA Oxana 3 20 -- 16 3 DUPLITZER Imke 3:00 LOGOUNOVA Tatiana 14 34 -- 28 12 HEIDEMANN Britta Total Match time : 25:09 Overtime : -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoJudo Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 Martirosyan did good, he's only 18 too. I watched his interview on NBCOlympics.com, he said something like "I wanna win gold to show my appriciation to the U.S. for allowing my family to come here." I think he's gonna turn pro. I thought he was gonna KO Arragon for a minute there. He sliped in a very powerful hook to the temple of Arragon. He has a bright future ahead of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 Even Turkey is beating Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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