National Symbols

[Arpa]

As long as we aare talking about the Flag, (see Droshak under Language) here is some food for thought.

 

http://www.cilicia.com/armo13k.html

 

I have also seen it suggested that (by a a woman, of course ) that we add a cross to the flag since... you guessed it! After all we have the trademark to it by being the "first..". If we were to actually add the cross it would not be for that reason but for the reason that we have "borne the cross" harder and longer than any one else.

 

What do you think?

 

And as long as we are talking about national symbols, how about the so called "anthem". To me it is a disgrace that we have given and are still giving world class musicians and composers that our "National Anthem" is nothing but a silly nursery rhyme, and words have hardly any poetic, aesthetic and patriotic value either.

Btw. I know that Artsakh has her own flag, so they have an anthem as well? What is it?

Edited May 21, 2004 by Arpa

[gamavor]

What do you think?

 

I think it is a valid argument since of all those that professed any affinity to the cross, we are the once that carried it the longest and to certain extend still caring it.

[Arpa]

I think it is a valid argument since of all those that professed any affinity to the cross, we are the once that carried it the longest and to certain extend still caring it.

Can I say what they can do with their cross, with the blunt end first?

I guess not.

I don't want to be banned, at least , not yet!

Edited January 27, 2007 by Arpa

[Zartonk]

I think putting a cross on our drovsh will only narrow the already slanted vantage point of the world concerning the definition of Armenian. I personally know individuals who assume that because Armenians -even the self-proclaimed agnostics & atheists- somehow refuse to weaken their loyal emotions and dissociate themselves completely from the Church, it means that the institution has been the absolute end of the Culture for Armenia in the past 2000 years. Granted, it WAS the state when there was no state, but when you speak of the worldwide symbol of a nation (of a PEOPLE) I think waving a khach -wheather that means an eternally blossoming cross seen on khachkars or a plain St.George*- against the sky would be settling for less at best.

 

*Speaking of St.Gevo BTW, we all know our neighbors upstairs recently had themselves a Vart-a-guyn Revolution and premiered a certain crimson/white flag.

 

I myself like it, and they can keep it. Now check this out:

 

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ge.html#his

 

The flag is said to have been used by early Georgian feudal states. A similar flag is shown in the Libro del Conoscimiento de todos los Reinos (XIVth century) for Sivas (Sebasteia). A picture of the flag from that source is shown by Georges Pasch in Vexillologia [vxa] #2 (1969). Sebasteia was the capital city of the former Byzantine province of Armenia Prima, and Sivas is today the capital city of the velyat of Sivas, in Cappadocia, Turkey. The new flag of Georgia does not seem to be related with this historical banner. The flag of the National Movement was unknown ten years ago and was called "the Georgian historical national flag" by the opposition leaders only after publications by the Georgianvexillologist I.L. Bichikashvili...

 

...in The World Atlas, which is indeed the Libro de Conoscimiento mentioned above, there are only three pictures for Sivas but nothing on banners of any Georgian state or city.

 

...The 1917 Flag issue of National Geographic magazine [gmc17] has excerpts and illustrations from the Libro de Conoscimiento manuscript. It shows the five red crosses for "Sauasto ... anciently Sauasco", although the center cross is couped, not extending all the way to the edges. The editors identified Sauasto as Sivas/Sebastia.

It also shows either arms or a flag for Lesser Armenia. I am not sure if it was intended to be a descate-shaped flag or arms with the shield rotated 90 degrees. If a flag, it is the five red cross on white design over gold fleurs-de-lis on blue; if a shield the two designs per pale

 

I had also heard mentions of a Cypriot connection with this flag.

 

 

What are your Opinions. Any other sources/info/links?

Edited January 28, 2007 by Zartonk

[Դրօ]

I honestly don't like the Ararat idea. It would look so awkward on the flag.

 

As for the anthem, this subject interests me the most. But there hasn't been any recent news about it. I know it's now a transitional anthem, but does anyone know what's going on right now? Are they writing new lyrics for Aram Khachatourian's anthem or what?

[aSoldier]

ararat or a cross, either way I would be fine with.

[gamavor]

The flag is said to have been used by early Georgian feudal states. A similar flag is shown in the Libro del Conoscimiento de todos los Reinos (XIVth century) [e9s50] for Sivas (Sebasteia). A picture of the flag from that source is shown by Georges Pasch in Vexillologia [vxa] #2 (1969). Sebasteia was the capital city of the former Byzantine province of Armenia Prima, and Sivas is today the capital city of the velyat of Sivas, in Cappadocia, Turkey. The new flag of Georgia does not seem to be related with this historical banner. The flag of the National Movement was unknown ten years ago and was called "the Georgian historical national flag" by the opposition leaders only after publications by the Georgian vexillologist I.L. Bichikashvili.

 

 

WOW! Georgians are finally admitting something....Part of my heritage is from Sebastia and the coat of arms in my avatar was the coat of arms of Levon Dynasty in Cilicia. If you look at it closer you would see where the Georgians get the "idea" for "their" flag!