ED Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Religion could be a tool of the devil when used inproperly as a tool for non-religious goals. But Satanism is also classified as a religion and it’s protected by the constitution of USA. Sasun, do you think Satanist have a right to practice there religion under the constitution? And what is the difference between those and Jerry FaRTwell? (So called Evangelical noe-zionist-cons)! These last ones, so called “Christians” look far more dangerous then Satan! <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 But Satanism is also classified as a religion and it’s protected by the constitution of USA. Sasun, do you think Satanist have a right to practice there religion under the constitution? And what is the difference between those and Jerry Falwell? (So called Evangelical noe-zionist-cons)! These last ones, so called “Christians” look far more dangerous then Satan! <_< Edo jan, I don't know about Satanists, actually I know very little and it seems they are not envolved in illegal activities. If that is true then why shouldn't they be left alone? Of course, I am absolutely opposed to any worship of Satan. But freedom of conscience is a higher standard than that, they should be allowed to worship even Satan if that is what their conscience tells them to do. As to neo-zionists they are fanatics, I agree they could be dangerous. Religion has no business in politics (that is what I meant by religion being used as a tool in non-religious goals, in this case things having to do with Israel) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 These last ones, so called ?Christians? look far more dangerous then Satan! <_< Then lets not talk about christian who are "so called" christians.. hee they are just what they say.. not what they show.. and that is just.. nonesense and has no meaning to associate them with real christians. but ofcourse you knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Gevo, you can talk almost about anything you or I wish in this forum, this is not a church! Are you telling me 70 million or so evangelicals who voted for bush are not thru Christians? I know what is to be a good Human being, at list that’s what I try to be. I reject all religions and anything that has slightly bias tone in there ideology and preachings, I have faith, and I do not confuse faith with “religion”. Now, faith, that’s wonderful, and a great topic for discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 (edited) Gevo, you can talk almost about anything you or I wish in this forum, this is not a church! Are you telling me 70 million or so evangelicals who voted for bush are not thru Christians? I know what is to be a good Human being, at list that?s what I try to be. I reject all religions and anything that has slightly bias tone in there ideology and preachings, I have faith, and I do not confuse faith with ?religion?. Now, faith, that?s wonderful, and a great topic for discussion. read what i said again, and then read it again.. im anoyed at this type of criticism from people when they dont even understand the meaning of what i said.. I wasnt even talking about religion.. i was talking about christianity, which is a faith.. more so than a religion.. i was simply distinguishing those who say they are "christians" and bring the bad connotations to the real christians, which obviously this forum community eagerly makes that association,,,..from those who are real faithful christians. there is a difference between a dog, and a man that calls himslef a dog...if u know what it is to be a good human being then thats great.. but what does that have to do with me seperating those who call themselves christian vs those who are.. Please do explain though, what bias u see in a real christains tachings. if not the exact word of God/Bible...??? i would like to know this. Gevo, you can talk almost about anything you or I wish in this forum, this is not a church! If you look back to other posts by me, you would see that when i feel what i say may come across as "preaching" i apologize and aknowledge so before hand. I dont know what it was that you saw in my previouse post.. but its your problem.. Edited May 7, 2004 by gevo27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Im sorry for being off topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Why does Christianity matter for fait, or any other religion for that matter, faith in us, isn’t that enough to have a relationship with God? There are so many religions and ways to reach God, but one is evident and so simple, if you take away all the religions and convictions, if you look one another and have faith, faith in good and what this humanity is missing all along, is Love. Some go out of there ways to prove theirs is THE religion. The problem with religions is, every religion at some point contradicts its self thru so many variations and so called preaching’s, and vs. other religions by manipulating there holly books. Use it as a tool to push a agenda thru, kill whole group of people for Holly grail, (Reference to crusaders) commit genocide and crush plains full of people to “save people” I can go on and on and on…….. Now faith is deferent, faith to your family, to your friends, to a neighbor, even to your dog. Now you can’t call that religions do you? What is faith? You can’t see, nor touch, smell or taste, can you only feel it. But world is lost in so many “religions” people forgot what is like to act like humans and dissent, I’m sure there is wonderful religious persons in this world, tolerant and equal in there views, thru only this kind of approach we can as humans coexist and come to a single believe. Before anything we must have faith in one another, respect to other cultures and believes, at list try to understand by getting some basic knowledge about there history and culture. I can write more about this, but till one frees its self from organized mind control, hate, animosity, bias stand and gives its self a liberty to accept and hear others, we won’t be able to accomplish harmony and peace. Allow me my young friend to say, I don’t have a problem, if I do! that’s only human, mistakes are made and learned from it, and as time progresses it’s only thru your mistakes you intend to learn what is faith, life, friendship and that is so natural, we don’t live in a perfect world. I hope that answers you question of , what is faith to me, I don’t have an authority to explain what is that, I only can express my views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Just one thing. Which was infact the whole entire point of my message. You bring in genecides and mass murder in the name of "religion"<< Thats what i am trying to show. That type of tragedy is due to what "people" (with very disturbed minds) have done to religion.. or faith in God.. I cant say i disagree with you general statement, maybe some particulars.. but doesnt matter.. my point, again.. is that please do not affiliate those religous people who twist the devine word to rationalyze genecides and mass murders of a whole race, to "christians" they can be religous and worship thereselves.. doesnt matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Why does Christianity matter for fait, or any other religion for that matter It does not, one can have faith with Christianity, with other religions, or without any religion. faith in us, isn’t that enough to have a relationship with God? I don't think so. Do you have a conscious, real relationship with God? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 I don't think so. Do you have a conscious, real relationship with God? Sasun jan, before I answer that question you have to be define what real means to you, and yes of course like everyone else I do have a conscious. let me put it this way, God gave me conscious, understanding and one can distinguish good from evil, have and faith in others, have love for his family, respect for his elders and on and on, you don’t think that’s a real relationship with God? That’s what’s real to me, you call it real or not, but I limit my self there and satisfied with the results as well as ones surrounding me. We don’t need to look further into what’s real, at list that’s satisfactory and real to me in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Sasun jan, before I answer that question you have to be define what real means to you, and yes of course like everyone else I do have a conscious. let me put it this way, God gave me conscious, understanding and one can distinguish good from evil, have and faith in others, have love for his family, respect for his elders and on and on, you don’t think that’s a real relationship with God? That’s what’s real to me, you call it real or not, but I limit my self there and satisfied with the results as well as ones surrounding me. We don’t need to look further into what’s real, at list that’s satisfactory and real to me in my life. Edo jan, of course you are conscious. What I meant is, do you have a conscious relationship with God? According to people who have established a conscious relationship with God, this relationship is a very real thing, it is not the things that you are listing, but it is just a direct relationship. They can see and communicate with God like we do with each other, only it is more intense and more real. So my question to you was to find out if this is the type of relationship you have, obviously it is not the case. Of course, you are the only judge on how far you can take your faith, there is no doubt about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Just one thing. Which was infact the whole entire point of my message. You bring in genecides and mass murder in the name of "religion"<< Thats what i am trying to show. That type of tragedy is due to what "people" (with very disturbed minds) have done to religion.. or faith in God.. I cant say i disagree with you general statement, maybe some particulars.. but doesnt matter.. my point, again.. is that please do not affiliate those religous people who twist the devine word to rationalyze genecides and mass murders of a whole race, to "christians" they can be religous and worship thereselves.. doesnt matter. Gevo, then who do you like to see your self affiliated with, the ones think armagedon is inevadable or the ones are doing everything to privent from happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 I split the thread to keep "Words of Wisdom" intact (without debates). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Of course, you are the only judge on how far you can take your faith, there is no doubt about it Precisely my point Sasun, for me its better to have faith then prove, I don’t limit my self, I keep my options open to progression if you will and evolve with time, since early human existence man kind has gone thru so many stages of evolution, spiritually as well as physically. However, what would be the meaning of faith, if everything were to be known to man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 I split the thread to keep "Words of Wisdom" intact (without debates). Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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