Vigil Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) Israeli envoy wrecks art exhibit Sweden's foreign ministry wants an explanation from the Israeli ambassador after he vandalised an artwork depicting a Palestinian suicide bomber. Zvi Mazel was expelled from Stockholm's Museum of Antiquities on Friday after he threw a spotlight at the exhibit, called "Snow White". He denounced the work as "obscene" and a "monstrosity", saying it insulted the victims' families. It depicted a woman bomber who killed herself and 19 Israelis in Haifa. A photo of the smiling woman, 29-year-old trainee lawyer Hanadi Jaradat, appeared as the sail on a boat in a basin filled with red water. She carried out her attack at the beachfront Maxim's restaurant in October - one of the bloodiest in a series of suicide bombings by Palestinian militants. The ambassador's protest occurred at the opening on Friday of the "Making Differences" exhibition - part of a forthcoming international anti-genocide conference hosted by the Swedish Government and to which Israel has been invited. "We will contact him on Monday to arrange a meeting," said a Swedish foreign ministry spokeswoman, quoted by the AFP news agency. "We want to give him a chance to explain himself. We feel that it is unacceptable for him to destroy art in this way." The ambassador was quoted as saying he found the exhibit "intolerable and an insult to the families of the victims". "As ambassador of Israel I could not remain indifferent to such an obscene misrepresentation of reality," he said. One of the two artists who created the work, Israeli-born Dror Feiler, said Ambassador Mazel had "tried to stop free speech and free artistic expression from being carried out in Sweden". "He said he was ashamed that I was a Jew," Mr Feiler said, adding: "We see this as an offensive assault on our right to express our thoughts and feelings." Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/worl...ope/3406041.stm Published: 2004/01/17 13:54:36 GMT © BBC MMIV Sharon praises 'art vandal' envoy Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has praised his ambassador to Sweden after he vandalised an art exhibit featuring a Palestinian suicide bomber. Ambassador Zvi Mazel was ejected from a Stockholm museum after the incident. Mr Mazel said the work, created by an Israeli-born artist, was "a call for genocide". Israel has called on the Swedish Government to dismantle the exhibit, which has a boat floating in a pool of red liquid. "I think the phenomenon [of anti-Semitism] is so serious that it would have been forbidden not to have acted on the spot," Mr Sharon said. But the expatriate Israeli artist, Dror Feiler, rejected the criticism of his work, saying it had a message of openness and conciliation. "I'm absolutely opposed to suicide bombers," he added. Mr Feiler called the envoy "an intellectual dwarf" who had tried to "stop free speech and free artistic expression". Sweden's foreign ministry has summoned Mr Mazel to give an explanation for his actions on Monday. Support Ambassador Mazel was expelled from Stockholm's Museum of Antiquities on Friday after he threw a spotlight at the exhibit. Called Snow White And The Madness Of Truth, the installation features a photo of Hanadi Jaradat, a 29-year-old trainee lawyer who blew up herself and 19 Israelis in a Haifa restaurant in October. The work is accompanied by a piece of Bach music entitled My Heart Is Swimming In Blood. The installation was commissioned ahead of a conference on genocide to be held later in January. "I called our ambassador in Sweden Zvi Mazel last night and thanked him for his strength in dealing with increasing anti-Semitism, and told him that the entire government stands behind him," Mr Sharon told a cabinet meeting Sunday. "I think Ambassador Mazel behaved in an appropriate way." Israeli foreign ministry spokesman David Saranger had urged the Swedish Government to "take steps to remove it". The director of the museum, Kristian Berg, said the installation would remain in place. "You can have your own view of what this piece of art is all about, but it is never, never allowed to use violence and it is never allowed to try to silence the artist," he said. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/worl...ope/3407517.stm Published: 2004/01/18 12:24:28 GMT © BBC MMIV Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Er? Vigil, why for Domino? Beside that, what it has to do with the genocide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 (edited) Er? Vigil, why for Domino? Beside that, what it has to do with the genocide? I was going to originally post this in DrGreen's thread, but since it was deleted I decided to let you know that somtimes you demand respect more through your actions than your words. Remember, "men do not follow titles, they follow courage" and at the very end of the day its our actions after being given life through intelligent ideas that decide the outcome of the battle; one can not succeed without the other. As TAP stated "you need ideas, which then are implemented through action, in order to overcome a challenge". Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewish Friend Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Just a note for what it is worth..the restaurant she blew up was co owned by a Jew and Arab. It frequented by Arabs a lot, and I believe at least half the victums were Arab. Just food for thought. I personally don't care what they show in the museum. Those lik emyself who have been to the Haifa and seaside twons know they are relatively integrated and have good coexistance and even relationships between Israeli Arab and Jewish population. This bomber aimed her exploded body at Arab and Jew that day. Yid Kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Also no one ever speaks of the three Armenian kids who died when the dance club was bombed in Tel Aviv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 (edited) I was going to originally post this in DrGreen's thread, but since it was deleted I decided to let you know that somtimes you demand respect more through your actions than your words. Remember, "men do not follow titles, they follow courage" and at the very end of the day its our actions after being given life through intelligent ideas that decide the outcome of the battle; one can not succeed without the other. As TAP stated "you need ideas, which then are implemented through action, in order to overcome a challenge". OK understood. Considering that it was supposed to be posted on the other thread, I could say that it supports my point. Only weak individuals try to silence others freedom of expression. In this cases you have a bigot of an ambassador destroying an artwork. It is weak. Of course some times it is not anymore a question of freedom, but that is another matter. Edited May 3, 2004 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 (edited) OK understood. Considering that it was supposed to be posted on the other thread, I could say that it supports my point. Only weak individuals try to silence others freedom of expression. In this cases you have a bigot of an ambassador destroying an artwork. It is weak. Of course some times it is not anymore a question of freedom, but that is another matter. Interesting I always thought conquerors, destroyers were strongest. I think he made enough noise to address his point of view. I may also act in a similar way if I see a fake and deliberate attempt to portray Armenians killing Turks and reading something underneath saying Turkish genocide 1915 committed by Armenians. The ambassador did not silence anything but he boosted the Artist’s name and recognition. The artist should thank him for promoting his or her work in a most imaginative way. Edited May 3, 2004 by Armat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Interesting I always thought conquerors, destroyers were strongest. I think he made enough noise to address his point of view. I may also act in a similar way if I see a fake and deliberate attempt to portray Armenians killing Turks and reading something underneath saying Turkish genocide 1915 committed by Armenians. The ambassador did not silence anything but he boosted the Artist’s name and recognition. The artist should thank him for promoting his or her work in a most imaginative way. I was not talking about physical weakness Armat. Talking about Armenians having "exterminated." I was amused to see that one of the denialist site is making of hyeforum a "celebrity" even having quoted from me. I was even more amused to realise that Mr. author of the site know me very well(having one of my old email addresses), and quoting from members having exchanges with me. Armenian "tall tales." Mr. the author uses non-exiting quotes which I debated in a forum that he is even a member of. So obviously aware of the non-existance of some of what he uses as material. Mr. he know whom he is(and knowing that since he quoted from hyeforum visit this site). If he thinks having debunked the Armenians like he "claims." Afterall here is one of the mathematical forumals he himself composed. Turks = Truth. So, like I said, Mr. could come here and "prove" his points. Mr. come here and "prove" your points. I don't do this anymore, usually now I ignore individuals. But the ones I do not ignore are those that lie by selectivly quoting me to imply that "this is all Armenians have" when beside what he quoted I have quoted 9 other sources and corrected the manipulation of European sources. Coward, come here. Ah, BTW Coward has been contacted by Nick the British that supposdly "exposes" Armenian lies. Nick the British will be writting essays on "the Armenian question." How cowardly it is that the author quote Nicks exchanges with Thoth, by not reffering to Thoth answers, neither my posts debunking all of Nicks answers. something to hide? BTW Mr. the author tell Hi to Nick from my part, and ask for me hows his Turkish wife. (I guess the author ignored that one)... oh and remind Nick for me that he still owe me the supposed list of works he had to provide for a so-called study that he refuses still to reveal to whom. PS: I apologise to the members of this board to use it to talk on the back of a coward as an answer to a cowardly act of self-deception and manipulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 (edited) Domino, you are right to a certain extent, but remember a moron "will bring down to his level and beat with you experience", so, do not be so adament in offering courtesy, when they have not earned it. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Mr Feiler called the envoy "an intellectual dwarf" who had tried to "stop free speech and free artistic expression". Actually it is Feiler who is the "intellectual dwarf" - the ambassador is a non-intellectual thug. If you has seen how trite the "art exhibit" was, you would know what I mean. The pool of "blood" by itself could have been a powerful, though simplistic, statement. But then he had to have a silly-looking little plastic boat floating in it, and a photograph stuck on a stick, looking like a big lollypop. Probably the whole thing was set up - the Ambassador had the time to throw four spotlights into the pool, and he did it in front of several TV crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted May 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 (edited) Actually it is Feiler who is the "intellectual dwarf" - the ambassador is a non-intellectual thug. If you has seen how trite the "art exhibit" was, you would know what I mean. The pool of "blood" by itself could have been a powerful, though simplistic, statement. But then he had to have a silly-looking little plastic boat floating in it, and a photograph stuck on a stick, looking like a big lollypop. Probably the whole thing was set up - the Ambassador had the time to throw four spotlights into the pool, and he did it in front of several TV crews. I would like to point out that I never stated that. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Domino, you are right to a certain extent, but remember a moron "will bring down to his level and beat with you experience", so, do not be so adament in offering courtesy, when they have not earned it. I do not thing it is courtesy. I see it as fairness. I expect to have the freedom of speech, so I don't see why the other side won't have it. One thing is different though, it is when the other party has freedom of speech, and I do not in my turn have that right. If that is the cases, I will do everything to shut the other party up. Another thing, is when the other party lies. For instance, in the cases of the Turkish denialist web site I am talking about, the author used quotes in circulation in the web that are manipulated or does not even exist and this same individual claims to not be biased. In such cases, or the individual correct and change his site or he shut it. It is one thing interprating something, it is another to use forgeries when you yourself hypocriticaly condemn such actions. In the past, the author of the site in question emailed me an alleged Egoyan speech "admitting" after verification, Egoyan never said those things. This is pure diffamation. This coward knows my old email addresses, knows individuals with whom I have exchanged. He even covers "Armenian cannibalism" of Turks. I was amuzed to see that the source provider was a known pathological liar(that both Armenians and turks knew him a liar) calling himself "Ismet the Historian." No need to say, that none of the said sources contained anything about "Armenian cannibalism." I am really thinking covering and answering his entire site in future. Or inviting him here and destroying all his claims one by one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribEr_ Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 aiy baba amenen khenten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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