DominO123 Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 "Crimes Against Ataturk." A Journalist to Prison for "Ataturk" Article Hakan Albayrak, the former owner of the "Milli Gazete" (National Newspaper), in line with law no: 5816 about "Crimes Against Ataturk." Due to a law accepted in 1951, Albayrak will remain in prison for five months. The Association of Freedom of Expression and Education (Ozgur Der) stated that the appeals court wanted the 15-months prison sentence also handed to Mehmet Terzi, the editor-in-chief of the newspaper at the time, to be commuted to a fine. Albayrak stood trial for writing: "Mustafa Kemal ***** was buried without funeral prayers. This did disturb neither the state, nor the society." In his article called "A Funeral Prayer," which was published on June 20, 2000. "From what I understand, they are saying 'you have to pay the price of not being pro-Ataturk," said Albayrak. "And I am saying 'ok, I will pay whatever the price is." In a statement, Ozgur Der said: "The outcome of this trial shows once again that the European Union reforms in Turkey about freedom of views and expression are only on paper. There is no change in implementation." (BIA News Center, April 26, 2004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Don't be too smug! A1 Plus | 20:08:29 | 19-04-2004 | Politics | CONFESSION EXTRACTED Edgar Arakelyan, a young man from Armenian town of Lusakert, who participated in the peaceful demonstration the last week Monday and resisted police's ominous assault on innocent demonstrators by throwing a plastic bottle at armed policeman, as it was shown on Armenian state-owned H1 TV, is charged with one count of seizing power by force. Procecutor's Office says he has already pleaded guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Don't be too smug! A1 Plus | 20:08:29 | 19-04-2004 | Politics | CONFESSION EXTRACTED Edgar Arakelyan, a young man from Armenian town of Lusakert, who participated in the peaceful demonstration the last week Monday and resisted police's ominous assault on innocent demonstrators by throwing a plastic bottle at armed policeman, as it was shown on Armenian state-owned H1 TV, is charged with one count of seizing power by force. Procecutor's Office says he has already pleaded guilty. Er, have I missed something? I repeat in cases you don't find anything funny here. LAW NO: 5816 Crimes Against Ataturk. I repeat: Crimes Against Ataturk. BWAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA EHE EHE EHEEEEEEBWAHAAAAA!!! LAW NO: 5816 Crimes Against Ataturk. I repeat: Crimes Against Ataturk. Are we reading the same thing? Look Steve, my point is not about a crime by the Turkish autorities, if that was my point I could have understood your answer. No, my point is about... let repost it. LAW NO: 5816 Crimes Against Ataturk. I repeat: Crimes Against Ataturk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Oh man, I can't stop laughing, I just fell from my chair. CRIMES AGAINST ATATURK!!!!! Ehe... ehe... ehe.... bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! CRIMES AGAINST ATATURK!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Er, have I missed something? I repeat in cases you don't find anything funny here. LAW NO: 5816 Crimes Against Ataturk. I repeat: Crimes Against Ataturk. Yeh - I got it! I did!! In fact, tearing up a banknote in Turkey is a "crime against Ataturk" since his face will be on it. (And I actually remember reading that someone in Turkey was charged with doing just that!). Maybe that's why you don't have wishing wells in Turkey. But my point was that not only Turkey has silly laws - throw a plastic bottle in Armenia and you could be charged with overthrowing the State! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Steve I really underestimated your dumbness!!! Throw an empty plastic bottle against a policemen during social unrest in USA, Great Britain or France, and see what will happen to you? Steve are you a freaking little turk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 A friend of mine once hired a donkey and painted Atatürk on him in big red letters. Would that also be considered a crime against Atatürk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 A friend of mine once hired a donkey and painted Atatürk on him in big red letters. Would that also be considered a crime against Atatürk? Sorry Gurgen, I couldent hold it back but, how do you hire a donkey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 You go to a farm, duh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 You go to a farm, duh And if there is no farm around then you go to hyeforum and hire Dr. Donkey a.k.a Domino I am sure Domino would be happy to commit a crime against Ataturk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 And if there is no farm around then you go to hyeforum and hire Dr. Donkey a.k.a Domino I am sure Domino would be happy to commit a crime against Ataturk. Why do I predict a volcano eruption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 A friend of mine once hired a donkey and painted Atatürk on him in big red letters. Would that also be considered a crime against Atatürk? In the 1980s there was an Armenian priest from Jerusalem named Father Manuel who, when in transit through Istanbul, was arrested and imprisoned after he was accused of owning a dog in Jerusalem that he had named "Ataturk". He was eventually released after a lawyer in Jerusalem produced an affidavit that the dog's name was actually "doggy". He had been beaten and tortured several times when in prison, and he never recovered properly from his ordeal. I think he died a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Steve are you a freaking little turk? Gamavor, are you a freaking little git? Or worse, a freaking little Kocharyan gimp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Guys guys lets keep the personal insult creativeness out, shell we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 In the 1980s there was an Armenian priest from Jerusalem named Father Manuel who, when in transit through Istanbul, was arrested and imprisoned after he was accused of owning a dog in Jerusalem that he had named "Ataturk". He was eventually released after a lawyer in Jerusalem produced an affidavit that the dog's name was actually "doggy". He had been beaten and tortured several times when in prison, and he never recovered properly from his ordeal. I think he died a few years ago. Interesting. I thought that was another Philip Marsden myth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 He had been beaten and tortured several times when in prison, and he never recovered properly from his ordeal. I think he died a few years ago. Actually he just died recently in Feb. 2004. Here he is; http://www.hayem.org/news/?FN=39_2004_02_2...1.html&navrow=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 "I was also accused of naming my dogs (in Jerusalem) Ataturk. That was absolute nonsense, as everyone knew that I had named them Tiger and Joyce. The court knew that this was absolute fabrication as the then-Patriarch of Jerusalem had even sent the official registration and medical records of my dogs to the Turkish court." Oh ok, this makes more sense. He wasn't arrested because of his dogs, but was later accused of that as well. By the way, I have met this man. I won't say more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Ei turk.....watch your mouth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Actually he just died recently in Feb. 2004. Here he is; http://www.hayem.org/news/?FN=39_2004_02_2...1.html&navrow=0 Thanks, Arpa. I thought it was a while ago that he had died, maybe I was confusing his death with someone elses. The story makes more sense than Marden's version, which does imply that the dog's name was the main charge against him. When I read it in Marsden's book it reminded me of the fate of a Greek bishop (of Sivas I think, and in the 11th century) who, rather foolishly, named his dog "Armenian". He and his dog were later seized by a group of angry Armenians, who tied them up together in a sack. And after several days the hungry dog began to devour its master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Interesting. I thought that was another Philip Marsden myth... And what are the others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 The last two posts of this freaking turk are pure fiction. Acctually Ataturk was directly involved in butchering a Greek Bishop in 1922 in Smyrna. Not suprisingly his legacy lives. The best turk is the dead turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 OK, this is nothing directly to do with the subject, but it is funny anyway. From www.hayem.org Donkey arrested (23 Sep, 2003) Two Greek Cypriot freedom of movement campaigners were arrested on Monday after presenting authorities in the Turkish-held north with a mock passport for their donkey. The men were bundled into a car by plainclothes Turkish Cypriot security agents shortly after crossing a UN-manned checkpoint and pulling out a "passport" for their four-legged companion. The donkey's cardboard "passport" read "Mr Kypros" - or "Mister Cyprus" in Greek. It was "issued" in the name of the "United Federal Republic of Donkeys" and came complete with a photograph of the animal. It listed its occupation as "worker." The men, one of whom was identified as 73-year-old Savvas Christodoulou, told the border guards they wanted to travel to the Karpas peninsula - the northeastern panhandle once largely populated by Greek Cypriots. Greek Cypriot pensioner Savvas Christodoulou and his donkey, Shelidona, were part of a protest which activists hoped would highlight opposition to passport checks at the recently opened border, which has divided the island since 1974. A Turkish Cypriot donkey that was supposed to meet "Mr Kypros" on the other side of the checkpoint failed to show up. Turkish Cypriot police encouraged them to cross the Nicosia checkpoint into Turkish-controlled territory but moments later plainclothes officers bundled Christodoulou into a car. Witnesses said Turkish Cypriot officials led the donkey away, the heavily pregnant Shelidona, was led off to the nearest police station to be put in quarantine. It was not immediately clear if the arrests occurred because of mistaken identity. The spoof passport prepared for Shelidona by activists identified her as a male. The publicity stunt was sponsored by bi-communal Greek and Turkish Cypriot groups who object to having to show their passports to travel within what they consider to be the whole of their own country. "They've been taken into custody," a Turkish Cypriot guard at the checkpoint told Reuters News Agency. Turkish troops have occupied the northern third of the island since 1974 when they invaded after an Athens-engineered military coup aimed at uniting the independent republic with Greece. Late today 23-09-2003 all prisoners (Including the donkey) were realesed. It is not known if the donkey was fingerprinted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 (edited) Hey Bell, that story about the donkey is funny in more ways than one. The donkeys of Cyprus are legendary, they are supposed to be larger than common donkeys and if a Turk intends to use an insult stronger than merely calling one an "eshek" they call them "kibris esheki". Here is one of the many sites responding to a search of "cyprus donkeys". I think the Greeks call them "gaideraki". Here it is; http://www.windowoncyprus.com/donkeys.htm#...Cyprus%20Donkey Edited April 28, 2004 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Any Armenian who travels to Turkey or through Turkey is a fool. When I went to Hayastan, I went the long way around. I made sure that we never were over Turkish or Azeri airspace. God forbid, if we had to crash land in Turkish territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 "Crimes Against Ataturk" If one ever doubted that the Turkish nation is in a state of mass psychosis this should clinch the diagnosis. What in heaven's name is a crime against a man long dead? Is it a "crime against Ataturk" to deny what he stated very clearly in an interview to the Los Angeles Times in 1926, that the Young Turk leadership had indiscriminantly massacred the Christian population? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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