April 24th And Related Topics.

[TheArmenianPirate]

We, as Armenians, gather every year on April 24 to gain recognition and mourn the loss of all those that perished at the hands of the Turkish government nearly one century ago. However, it should not start and stop on April 24th only, while the intensity of our efforts does peak on that memorial-day, we should strive to continually put pressure for this recognition to occur globally and the restitutions that are owed to us to be paid in FULL, and they will be, make no mistake about it folks. If Turkey wants to crawl out of the hole it is in economically and make progress, it will have to be done through recognition, otherwise, kiss the EU admittance goodbye.

 

The recognitions by the Swiss parliament about 4.5 months ago of the Armenian Genocide was made possible by the continual effort of groups of INDIVIDUALS such as yourselves, and many more such recognitions WILL follow so NEVER think that as Armenian youth, what you do is in any way “in vain”, because it certainly is not in vain, it never has been in vain, and never will be in vain either. What all of you do individually DOES make a very SIGNIFICANT difference and TAP commends you all as my Hye brothers and sisters for all your efforts.

 

What has amazed me for nearly all of my life is the behavior of the Jewish communities regarding our Genocide. Before I get into that, a quick side story that TAP was involved in earlier last week. The other day, a fellow Jr. Armenian Pirate friend of mine came up to me and mentioned how a Jewish colleague of his had said “Armenian women are so beautiful, smart, and homely”. Which does not surprise me, because our Hye women are some of the most gorgeous, beautiful, as well as intelligent women on the face of this globe, hands down, a precious gift for us Hye men to say the least. However, what did bother me was how when it comes to dating our women or men, whether it be Jews or the many other odars are quick to admit to how wonderful we are, but when issues of cultural plights come up such as recognition of the Armenian Genocide, they are nowhere in sight to provide support for our causes with only a few exceptions. This behavior really reiterates my idea that odars will ALWAYS look out for their own culture/heritage/lineage first before they ever decide to care for an Armenian. The only exception to this rule is when odars have a gain to make (ie: Nabbing that handsome/beautiful Armenian man/woman as a mate), otherwise the odars are not as globally “humanitarian” oriented as some folks on these boards have been brainwashed to believe through efforts of the media campaigns. Taking our wonderful women as their girlfriends or men as their boyfriends is always something they easily are willing to commit to and then preach about how “good they will be taken care of”. However, when it comes to the gritty issues of our people’s struggle, the Jew, the African-American, the Asian, the Scandinavian, the Martians etc, etc, will always shrug and move on until he/she runs into another Hye girl/guy to attempt and date. Ultimately folks, only us Armenians care about Armenians and Armenian causes deeply the way they need to be cared about, the odars can and will only care at a superficial layer, and mostly ONLY as long as they get to dip their hands into the cookie jar of our handsome men and beautiful women. This is very evident and absolute.

 

With that said, the next topic I would like to touch up on is regarding the Israelite stance on our Genocide. It is both ironic and hypocritical for ANY Jew to NOT be at Armenian rallies or vigils with regards to the Armenian Genocide. Now, before any of you guest Jewish readers or critics act like the boy who cried “anti-Semite”, sit back, relax, grab a beer, and read on before jumping on the anti-Semite bandwagon crutch excuse, because I know you’re itching to accuse me of such irrelevant presumptions in the face of the truth I’m about to display. If you’ve got valid replies about the truth, by all means, post away, if you’re going to bring TAP's “anti-Semitism” irrelevantly into the discussion, save your breath. This discussion IS NOT about TAP being an anti-Semite. It’s about practicing what you preach as well as providing the same recognition that has been extended to all Jews that perished in the horror that was the Holocaust through the support of the Armenian Genocide recognition efforts.

 

All throughout Hollywood, movies like “Schindler’s List”, “The Pianist”, “Jack the Liar”, etc, have been produced to display the atrocities that took place against Jews at the hands of the Nazi party and how from those lessons learned, what great humanitarians Jews are. Now, considering that Armenians were slaughtered just as ruthlessly, if not more so, in numbers that constitute an equal level of atrocious behavior by our persecutors, the Turkish government, nearly 25 years BEFORE Adolph Hitler even made attempts at massive Jewish exterminations, why is it then that our recognition is not supported by Jews at rallies? I’ve been to rallies all over at Universities, convention centers, diplomatic buildings, etc, and it is Armenians addressing Armenians along with some odar officials that have come to win votes or make some sort of personal campaign gain, with no Jews in sight. Even the so called intellectual Jewish professors on college campuses do not show up at all during University rallies. Also, during public demonstrations, why are Jewish men and women not present to show their support? I’d like to have a Jew explain to me this behavior of theirs’ as well as why his or her government DOES NOT recognize the Armenian Genocide. I cannot seem to get a straight answer when these questions are posed to some of my Jewish friends/colleagues/intellectuals, in fact, a good number of my Jewish friends/associates turn beet red in embarrassment or perhaps shame when I bluntly ask this question, this tells me that there are in fact a good majority of Jews that do care but Israeli officials do not push for it, thus progress is not made toward support for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. I pity those unfortunate Jews that passed away in the Holocaust when the whole thing could have been avoided and hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved had the Armenian Genocide seen more attention in its aftermath. Furthermore, those poor souls that passed away in the Holocaust would be rolling around in their graves right now if they knew that their own government and some of their people have refused to recognize an atrocious act such as the Armenian Genocide EVEN AFTER all those Jews themselves went through mass killings the way the Armenians did roughly 20 or so years before them.

 

I do not want our Jewish readers to think I’m isolating them when I mention these things, but THEY ARE the closest group of people as far as similarities of Genocide experiences are concerned. We are both an ancient people that have a certain level of respect for one another due to the long standing traditions that both our cultures have maintained for thousands of years regardless of the odds. Adding the fact that we both have suffered oppression on a grand scale, it’s only fitting to focus on the Jewish behavior regarding the Armenian Genocide. To put it bluntly, we recognize YOUR Holocaust, and it’s high time and well overdue that all Jews begin to recognize the Armenian Genocide officially as well as support its recognition fully.

 

Many years back, I was in California and visited the Museum of Tolerance. Frankly, I was so moved by the segment they had in one section of the museum about the Armenian Genocide. It was VERY detailed and very graphic, but held true to the events that took place. I was surrounded by many old Jewish couples and some other folks, nearly all of them were in tears before the segment was over, one of older Jewish women even said “why did they not realize these things after these Armenians were slaughtered so horribly, maybe we would have lost less Jews at that maniac’s hands had these people’s struggle been spoken of more”. That statement pretty much spoke for itself for me within that moment.

 

Last year, during my visit to the west coast, I was shocked to see that the ENTIRE section about the Armenian Genocide had been removed from the museum grounds. It’s as if it never was there! It was an ARMENIAN governor that sanctioned and made efforts for that museum to be there in the first place! And now the exhibit about the people that represent this governor’s lineage/heritage/culture has been pulled out of the Museum of “tolerance”? Can any Jewish reader here explain this to me and rationalize this type of action in the face of what your OWN people, AS JEWS, have faced during the holocaust? Of course not, because there is no rational explanation! The sheer audacity of removing a segment about the Armenian Genocide from a museum of “TOLERANCE” is gut wrenchingly disgusting and must be rectified by putting it back up. Furthermore, advertising one’s cultural “humanitarianism” in multi-million dollar Hollywood productions despite the fact that as a Jew, you have allowed the truth about the death of 1.5 million Armenians that have been killed just like the way your own Jewish brethren were slaughtered, to be covered up or pulled out of a museum that supposedly sets grounds for “tolerance” is preposterous.

 

With that said, all you fellow Armenians here can very clearly see, that as Hyes, we have to stick together and watch our own backs, this is done through cultural preservation, not intermarrying, sustaining our lineage, keeping our heritage alive, proliferating our culture in our Armenian youth, and taking care of each other as Hye brothers and sisters. Because even those that have shared a similar fate after our own Genocide occurred, such as the Jews in this case, are willing to sweep our plight under the social carpet for whatever gains they can make for themselves in culture, heritage, and lineage. I don’t know why Jews do not support us Armenians, even though they have had to deal with a similar fate, or why their government in Israel has to this day not recognized our Genocide officially. It most likely has to do to with the fact that Israel and Turkey are working with one another in the Middle East in an economic companionship of sorts, so the political manipulations have made certain that this Armenian issue does not disturb that union, at least for now. Turkey has burned their bridges with other Muslim nations by taking on the U.S. as its sugar daddy, but they screwed that one up with their mistake of refusing to help the U.S. with landing strips during last year’s Iraqi war after the U.S. poured billions into their country. Turkey also tried to pull into Iraqi borders because it saw a “land grab” opportunity after the U.S. decimated Iraq’s military. I wasn’t really surprised considering Turks have a reputation of doing this dating all the way back to when Constantinople was annexed and called “Istanbul”. This time though, the U.S. backhanded them back into their own borders, they know better than to stand against a superpower that has bank rolled their economy for the past 20 years. In nature, even mongrel Hyenas cower when the Lion comes around.

 

Suffice it to say that there are a lot of Senators that are very angry about Turkey’s duplicity and betrayal. Turks also have chosen to work with Israel, which the other Muslim states do not approve of either. Israel on the other hand, is simply just antagonized by everyone in the region, with Turkey being the only exception, so in a sense they only have each other for support. And I want all you Jews reading this to realize that Turkey WILL betray your people and government the minute the need for Israel passes, be ready, and be prepared. It is just sad that Israelites have decided to allow this union with Turkey at the cost of the memory of all those that died in the Holocaust by refusing to support Armenians in our own recognition of a similar fate that took place years before the word “Holocaust” was even invented. Hopefully, Jews as a whole will recognize that their lack of support led to their own people’s demise at the hands of that horrible man Hitler, that the Turks cannot be trusted under any guise, even that of “economic partner”, and hopefully Jews will also recognize that to honor our Genocide is a means to honor as well as remember those of their own people that perished in the Holocaust.

 

In closing, I would like to ask that as many of you participate as much as possible in any sort of local vigil or gathering that may be taking place in recognition of our Armenian Genocide annually, this year was excellent from what I saw during my travels. Do not think that merely because you are just one person that you cannot make a difference or cannot make a significant contribution to the collective efforts of Hyes that are involved in Genocide recognition. INDIVIDUAL Armenians working together in Canada, Montana, and Idaho, brought about official recognition this year, as well as the Swiss recognition that took place last December. You CAN make a difference, and you DO make a difference by simply making the easy choice of going out there with other Armenians and standing by their side as fellow Hyes in their efforts. Your very presence strengthens our cause and makes our voice that much more loud for the world to hear. And they WILL hear us, and the crimes against Armenians will be recognized by more and more nations as time passes; it has already been recognized by many and even more will join our cause as long as we continue to sustain the truth about the horrible acts that the Turkish government and its military committed against our people and the thievery they committed with our resources. Restitutions WILL be paid and redemption WILL arrive, do not EVER let the media, propaganda artists, pseudo-intellectuals, or any opposition coerce or intimidate you into believing that your efforts are futile or in vain.

 

As I have said many times before, as the Armenian youth, we govern the future of our people and we have incredible potential to mold that future to benefit our culture, heritage, and lineage. But we must be critical thinkers as well as individuals of action, one or the other alone will not suffice in our cause and our goals, we must strive to incorporate both the aspects of intellectuality as well as activism in everything we do as Armenian youth. Both the "flag waving" AND "thinking" matter, I thank them both, but the ULTIMATE form is when you do BOTH, then we become invincible. If you choose to do this as an individual, you can achieve a great deal for yourself as well as your Armenian brothers and sisters, more than you can possibly imagine, and together we can achieve even greater aspirations as Armenians and honor those Hyes that died during the Genocide AS WELL AS those Hyes that are yet to be born as beautiful Armenian babies.

 

Lastly, for those that preach lies, stand against us in order to conceal the truth about the crimes committed against the Armenian people, threaten us, or would want us to perish as a people, I say, let them come. I am ready and so are a lot of other Armenians, we will endure any difficulty as we always have, together. Show compassion as fellow human beings to us and you shall receive it in return a thousand fold from Armenians everywhere, we have always been a pleasant people that loves to enjoy life. However, take the ruthless route against the Armenian people and you will be treated as such accordingly. Finally, to any that decide to extinguish the light of our people, culture, heritage, or lineage through any means; I say to you, return to your mosks/churches/shrines and pray for mercy to whatever God or force you believe in, for you will not receive any from me.

 

-The ARMENIAN Pirate

 

The Armenian Pirate can be reached at TheArmenianPirateBroadcast@hotmail.com

[HOB]

Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd, April 24th (I)

http://www.armenianhouse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1740

 

Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd, April 24th (II)

http://www.armenianhouse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1741

 

Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd, April 24th (III foreign diplomats)

http://www.armenianhouse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1743

 

Tsitsernakaberd, April 24th (IV officials & diplomats)

http://www.armenianhouse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1744

 

Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd, April 24th ( V )

http://www.armenianhouse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1745

[hytga]

tnx for the pics hob

[Vigil]

TAP your posts are very touching and accurate. When "otars" find it important for themselves they associate with us, but when it comes down to actually placing themselves on the line you do not find many that actually do. In the past we have stood alone and we will continue to stand alone because as much as I would like to believe we are one big "human race" we are in fact far from it. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil

[TheArmenianPirate]

Silence, and the Israelites have spoken. I'm going to make it a point to reference this thread EVERY time individuals of Jewish descent speak of their Holocaust and their enlightened "humanitarianism" and I would like other Hye readers here to do the same. The floor is open ladies and gents, let's hear your side of the story, not excuses, legitimate logic for the lack of support despite the incessant rants about how much you have learned from the Holocaust. If you go the "anti-semetism" route, you're better off not posting, you'll just be making a mockery of yourself on the grounds of TAP's patented "Crutch Excuse Syndrome", or CES for short. I know some Jews read this forum, so speak up folks.

 

-The Armenian Pirate

[MosJan]

HOB Thanks For the Link

 

wa I have some time will post some images of LA April 24th

[MosJan]

Just for you

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[Sasun]

Movses jan, is that you holding the "Domino" banner? If that's the case I am surprised you didn't make a spelling mistake on the banner

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Sasun mi xangari

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[Azat]

Just for you

http://armenians.com/forum/uploads/post-10-1083298972.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH. Movses Movses Movses. Even in this dark subject you have the ability to make people laugh. Thank you

[DominO123]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH. Movses Movses Movses. Even in this dark subject you have the ability to make people laugh. Thank you

Azat, I was not thinking it was a joke.

 

I thought MosJan modified that picture because there was a logic behind it.

 

You have one with Turkey = NAZI, and other ones trying to be offensive against Turkey. "Domino" is offensive against Turkey, more so then the Turkey = NAZI. So, it is perfectly logical to have one with "Domino" on it.

[joseph parikian]

http://armenians.com/forum/uploads/post-10-1083298972.jpg

 

 

Movses :thumbup:

 

And Bravo Domino

 

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Edited May 1, 2004 by joseph parikian

[Vigil]

http://www.armeniaweek.com/may242002/bikers.html Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil

[vava]

NOTE - Topic Split: for those who wish to speak of Volgas, please follow THIS LINK.

 

 

Thanks