ED Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 (edited) That uneducated, narrow minded public (majority) has a lack of Artists who should be busy devoting first of all by keeping the torch alive, pass or within its creativity reflect Armenian culture, in the absence of such, its anything but what we see and hear or say, the intelligence is not immune from temptations this country has to offer, that is the capitalism in its worst, and who are drown into greed and give up there “responsibilities”, why should we blame the public for this? Or they are simply born that way? I don’t think so. Artists among being part of the intelligence of any culture should be excluded from such a temptations. I hope you and yours alike will think hard, if your fillings are genuine. (That is if you agree with what I have expressed) Edited April 6, 2004 by Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 i will say...how many rabizsingers have u heard/seen that have come and gone... countless- but the true armenian musicians stay for a while- a long while- these little teeny bopper type artists are one hit wonders with their genre- people who like their music- they coem out with one cd and pop they get booted outta the business- but true timeless armenian music like gasparyan, sayat nova-type of music/musicians- are more venerable than those useless "choking chicken" type of so called "musicians" or "artists" .... but yet again it all comes down to the mindless teens and even people in their 20's-30's-40's who are actually into this type of music and support it- the whole notion of "music" and "singing" is being jeopardized here- everyone whose anyone and their mother is coming out with a CD nowadays...i dunno what else to say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 and j.armen- i loveeeeeee your music!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmMusic Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 and j.armen- i loveeeeeee your music!! Thank you angel4hope!!!! I am quite touched by your comment I have an Armenian project scheduled for recording next year as well, but before it's released it will have to pass the fileters and get the endorsement of some of our greats. I take all contributions to Armenian music library very seriously. And I have to sell enouth copies of my current CD "Plan B" to generate the funds to do it. Cheers! A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanSystems Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 An Illegitimate Child: Pt IV by Dr. Henry Astarjian http://www.asbarez.com/TARC/Astardjian4.htm CULTURE (Literature, education, performing arts, creative arts, religion, cuisine): There isn’t a single Turkish writer or a poet who has contributed anything to world literature. Turkey does not have the Arab and Persian worlds’ Haafiz, Omar Khayyam, Khalil Jbraan, or Abul Alaa El-Ma’aari; Armenians do. When they came from Central Asia, they had a single string of cat gut stretched over a goat skin drum, and a bow of another cat gut which they rubbed against each other to create some kind of a sound, or is it noise, that was their musical instrument, “Rabbaba.” It later became “Cheufta Telli.” The rules and the basis of what is known as “Turkish music” were established by Armenians. Men like Kemani Tatiyos Asdghikzade Sebuh, Kanuni Artaki Terzian, Udi Arshak Chomlekchian, Levon Khanjian, Onnig Kazazian, Nigoghos Effendi, Asdik Agha, Hampartsum effendi, Ardaki Jandan, and Udi Hrant were the fathers of Ottoman Turkish music. Turks have not written a single opera, what they perform is all European, and the undisputed father of this field is Dickran Chukhajian. Where is Turkey’s Khachaturian, Gomidas, Mardiros Sarian, Jansem, or Karzu? Those who established and developed theater were none other than Armenians, people like Mardiros Minakian, Hagop Vartovian (Gullu Agop), Bedros Atamian, Vahram Papazian, Verkine, Araxi, Nvart, Arusyag, Alexanian, and Shahinian. EDUCATION: Their base was the Koran for Arabic, and a mixture of Farsi, Armenian, and Kurdish for language. Kemalism allowed European languages, and now the Turkish language is a bastardized version of Latin, French, German, and recently, of course, Americanese. The Aq-Koyunlus, the Kara Koyunlus, the Seljuqs, and the Tatars had no letters, and no writings. They knew no math, geometry, astronomy, medicine, and had no type of educational background. The Armenians, the Arabs, and the Persians did. Please tell me what are we going to learn from the ignorant, uneducated Turk who after 75 years of Kemalism has 60 percent illiteracy? Over 90 percent of Armenians are not only literate, but educated. Some of the famous Armenians who led Ottoman educational system were Tovmas Terzian, Hagop Boyajian, Yervant Osgan, Hovsep Yusufian, Prof. Komurjian, and Arture Saraffian, to name a few. Today, thousands of schools in Anatolia and other parts of Turkey remain without teachers, and a vast majority of their children, especially girls remain totally illiterate. This is the future generation of Turkey with which our offspring is to do business, if left to the AAA and HoHoSha. RELIGION: Turkic Central Asian tribes had no religion. The Khazars (Gezer: Turkish for wanderers), Turkic tribes of the 7th and 8th centuries, displaced by the Chinese, settled in the Volga River valley, and eventually converted to Judaism. “They constitute the cradle of Western Jewry,” wrote Arthur Koestler in The Thirteenth Tribe. They populated Poland, Hungary, and Bulgaria, and eventually populated the present day Israel. Those who conquered Asia Minor converted to Islam. Armenians are celebrating their 1700th anniversary of adopting Christianity. Religion should not be an issue, but in the eyes of the Ottomans, even in today’s Turkey, Armenians are “Giavours” (Infidels), and their killing is “Halaal.” More than 40 percent of Turks are Islamists (to be differentiated from Muslims). Armenians do very well in the rest of the Islamic world, e.g. Iran and the Arab world, but not Turkey. CUISINE: Central Asian Turkic tribes discovered fire centuries after the rest of the world. They eventually figured out how to apply meat to fire, and voila, kebab was born. Today’s famous Turkish cuisine is Armenian and Greek. Like everything in our heritage they have confiscated and utilized this one too. LAW: Koranic law aside, civil and criminal laws were written and taught by Armenians. The undisputed father of Turkish law is none other than Professor Krikor Zohrab, who educated hundreds of Turks to become lawyers, only to be killed with his friend—another member of the Turkish “Parliament”—Vartkes, on orders of Ittihad ve Terraqi, by Cherkez Ahmed and Nazem Bey. ARCHITECTURE: The one and only Turkish claim to fame in this field is “Mi’mar Sinan” who is Armenian and his name is Sinanian. Shamelessly, the Turks presented him to the world as a Turk (Such as they did in the Metropolitan Museum in New York, a few years ago prompting Armenian demonstrations). Other giants in architecture are the Balyan family; Krikor, Garabed, Nigoghos. Kutahian, world famous and much sought after pottery and ceramics are pure Armenian art and creation. Only a few years ago some were auctioned off at Sotheby’s in London. They claim that to be Turkish creation too! MEDICINE: Armenians educated the invading Turks not to use dead mice as a poltice on a wound. They taught them modern medicine, and the Turkish elite trusted the Armenian rather than the incompetent untrustworthy Turkish doctor who might have an eye on their women. Doctors like Boghos Sasian, Manuel Sasian, Kaspar Sinanian, Kapriel ***** Seryan, Hagop Davidian, Mgrdich *****, Dickran Ajemian, and Michael Horasanji, served the Ottoman Courts and the Sultans. The nations military powder mills were trusted to the Dadians, Ohannes and Boghos; the nations Treasury to Hagop Kazazian *****. The next item is BUSINESS: Despite the embargo, Armenia, including Karabagh, is full of Turkish goods. Turkish songs and audio tapes sell like hot cakes in Armenia. Even Turkish songs like “Salla, salla mendilimi” together with a minimum of 10 songs have changed their lyrics into Armenian and are being played constantly in Armenia, and now in weddings in the Diaspora. Does Turkey import a single recording of Armenian songs? Don’t be ridiculous! What Armenia can export to Turkey is beyond me. Oops! I made a mistake: Armenia exports busloads of girls to Erzrum and Kars, some of whom reach Istanbul. They earn valuable Turkish lira (1,500,000 to a US dollar) catering to Turkish men. That much for Armenia’s gains from TARC lovy-dovy in the field of business. Next on TARC’s agenda is TOURISM: Please tell me how many Turks will come to see Etchmiadzin, Khor Virab, the monuments of Sardarabad, Kharakilisa, Bash Abaran, or the Yerevan Opera, and the Madenataran? How many of them will visit the home and museum of Barouyr Sevag or Avedis Isahagian? Counter this with the number of Armenians who will go to Ani, see Ararat from the other side, go to visit Aghtamar in Van, and other sacred Armenian historic land and die of anger and hatred. Here, too, Armenians are the suckers. What will the Turks get? Hegemony in the region. A new market for their products, highway access to Central Asia and Azerbaijan, and implementation of their pan-Turkic, Turanian schemes. All this without even raising a finger to address the issues of lifting the embargo, accepting the Genocide, opening the borders, or establishing diplomatic ties with Armenia. So, what do Armenians get out of this TARC, nerve soothing cultural and business intercourse? Absolutely ZILCH. One can shoot down every single item on TARC’s agenda if one approaches it with shrewdness and wisdom, rather than stupidity and naiveté. Armenian Assembly’s and HoHoSha’s exercise is nothing but stupid and naive. It is motivated by the same psychology, which eventually binds the prisoner with his jailer. It is obvious and clear that the Armenian Assembly, headed by the Genocide revisionist and doubter Hrair Hovnanian, and his lackey “Sayin” Van, is doing State Department’s dirty work at the expense of the Armenian Nation, and that’s a pity. Should we negotiate with the Turks? Of course we should. Stay tuned! Source: The Armenian Weekly, August 18, 2001 http://www.asbarez.com/TARC/Astardjian4.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 I'm afraid that most of us are aware of all these facts, which one more time proves how pathetic Armenians are! Sorry, my friend your web page is far from being nice. It is full of mistakes and omissions and simply desperate. If anybody uses illiterate turks to show to the world how great 'WE' are than nothing good expects us. Your efforts are commendable, your performance sucks. Sorry once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Astardjian is a charlatan. Charlatanian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanSystems Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 No. The web page is not problematic, whatever mystery webpage your tenderness is referring to. Your stomach is empty. As for Astarjian: He is a genius, patriot and full-blooded Armenian, something you (two) apparently have been doomed to never be. ==== adios ==== Best wishes to you, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 I repeat - Astardjian is a charlatan. Loserian, ever heard of Nazim Hikmet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanSystems Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Astarjian is a genius and a prophet, a Paul revere and 100% accurate in everything he writes. Too bad the Armenian community has only a handful of individuals like himself, (Harut Sassunian, the ANCA Directors, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Astarjian is a genius and a prophet, a Paul revere and 100% accurate in everything he writes. And in his few spare moments, as well as making rose-tinted spectacles for his fans, he likes to walk on water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlenAlen Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 To me the most Armenian music out there is by Komidas who has written some of our most popular folk music and Khatchadour Avetissian for creating the more modern traditional music. And of course there is Sayat Nova, another great composer of Armenian folk music. style_images/master/snapback.png Komitas just travelled from village to village translating the songs and making them more "hear-able" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted July 29, 2005 Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 The reason for Komitas' fame on having "pure" Armenian music is that he was THE leading authority on it's purity, which looking at our geographical influnces, is a great undertaking. His work is cleansed of anything else BUT Armenian. And "hear-ability" means 'Western notation".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei_Nagavitsin Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 You want to hear pure Armenian music there is a lot of singers out there that you dont even know. Like Hovannes Shabazyan who sings one of the best pure Armenian Music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Hovhannes Shahbazyan. your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Դրօ Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 There's also Andre, one of my favourite singers. His songs are purely Armenian. You can hear the Zurna and everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karapet Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Ashot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karapet Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) mer bak@ shat lavn e che? Edited October 14, 2006 by karapet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud EXPAT Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 There's also Andre, one of my favourite singers. His songs are purely Armenian. You can hear the Zurna and everything. FYI the zurna is not an Armenian instrument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 FYI the zurna is not an Armenian instrument Actually a reciprocatory instrument with debated origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhara Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 People what the hell is 'rabiz'? If we were to do word association the first things that come to mind when I hear 'rabiz' iz -- ahh never mind, dont want to gross anyone out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 enjoy... minimize the window not to see the video... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RPFoDMSu5o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyVlmBJde9k&eurl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV2CEInfsrw&eurl= ok, i'll stop... it's getting too much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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