Is This A Joke?

[koko]

well some armenaians should learn more about their history,as they know very little, before mentioning kurdistan, as it is actually western armenia. just because they have renamed the cities in turkey doesnt mean that everything is forgotten. Edited June 10, 2004 by koko

[KnightOfArmenia]

Well, not all of claimed Kurdistan would fall into Armenia; however, they do claim much of our homeland (Christ, they actually try to say that Van was an ancient Kurdish city. Idiots.).

[gurgen]

WHy should we let them have our land?

We're working on that very hard

[koko]

Well, not all of claimed Kurdistan would fall into Armenia.

 

No not all.But im talking of arevmdyan armenia of course. turks have ocupied western armenia. now they call it kurdistan in european media's, how pathetic isnt that?

so not only do they give their approval of the turks genoicde towards armenians, or their occupation of armenia, by covering it up by calling it turkish"Kurdistan"

 

the kurds are also in IRAq, Iran, syria.

 

well the europeans think its ok to give independence to iraqi-kurdistan, or turkey-kurdistan.

But the iranians are to clever and are fighting american imperialism/globalisation,

and would not let them split up iran, to an independent kurdistan there as well.

Edited June 10, 2004 by koko

[Bakersfieldian]

This is probably the most complicated geo-ethnic situation in the world.

 

The Kurds have been with us and against us. They saved many Armenians during the genocide, while others will tell you the opposite. The Kurds should have independence and their own country yet they lack social dicipline to actually run it.

No matter what arms they have been supplied throughout the years, they still lack the military effectiveness of a British soccer riot (the same organization skills as well).

 

The more you look at this situation, the more you realize divine intervention is probably the most rational and realistic solution to this mess.

 

All human attempts have been dysmal failures and once again.........

 

 

Nothing changes

[Sasun]

Turkey Says Accepts Israel Denial on Kurd Training

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/n...key_israel_dc_1

 

ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey on Tuesday cautiously accepted Israel's denial of a report that the Jewish state was training Kurdish commando units in northern Iraq, but made clear it was keeping a close eye on the region.

 

 

The New Yorker magazine reported this week that Israel was training Kurdish fighters to balance the military strength of Shi'ite militias in Iraq. The report has sparked a furor in the Turkish media, despite Israeli and Iraqi Kurdish denials. Turkey, the only country in the region to have close security ties with Israel, fears any moves to bolster Iraq's Kurds could lead to the formation of a Kurdish state, which could in turn fuel separatism among Kurds in southeast Turkey.

 

 

"Israel has told us it (The New Yorker's story) is not true. We also want this to be the case. Everyone knows Turkey's sensitivities on this issue. Naturally we have to believe what we are told," Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul told reporters.

 

"I hope our trust is not in vain."

 

The article in The New Yorker was written by award-winning reporter Seymour Hersh, who earlier this year exposed the extent of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

 

 

Hersh quoted a CIA official as saying the Israeli presence in Iraq was widely known in the U.S. intelligence community.

 

 

Turkey, with an overwhelmingly Muslim population in a strictly secular state, has strong diplomatic, economic and military ties with Israel.

 

 

But last month Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan sharply criticized Israeli policies in Gaza, including its targeted assassinations of two Hamas leaders and a massive raid on a refugee camp that killed at least 42 Palestinians.

 

 

However, diplomats say the relationship is too important to both sides for such tensions to inflict lasting damage.

 

 

Iraqi Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani also denied the report in The New Yorker when he arrived in Ankara on Monday for talks with Turkish leaders.

 

 

Gul said he would raise the issue of Turkish Kurdish rebel fighters still hiding in northern Iraq when he met Talabani later on Tuesday.

 

 

Ankara blames guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) for a separatist conflict in southeast Turkey that killed more than 30,000 people, mainly Kurds, in the 1980s and 1990s.

 

 

That fighting largely subsided after the 1999 capture of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan, though violent clashes in the southeast have ticked up again recently, especially since the rebels called off a unilateral six-year cease-fire.

[hytga]

ok i don't know about the long term strategic planning in regards to turkey, some of the posts make sense some don't. But what we need to plan and prepare better is a second Artsax war. i think within the next few years it will be a reality. so wether it's organizing an effort to help our military by sending bulletproof wests and helmets we should start doing so now. the sides are growing inpatient and although no reasonable leader would start a war now, i dont think the so called "leaders" in azerbaijan can stop a tide (which they created by the way themselves recently) to war.