StealthSwine Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 so sorry. plz...dont ban me... im just a crazy kid in this world of drugs and out of control hormones. Pft. Why dont we just get back on topic?? British say no Genocide? then there is NO GENOCIDE. (politically speaking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Piggy, maybe you should leave the forum until you are no longer a crazy kid with hormones and stuff. You say sorry here but insult forumers in another thread. Am I supposed to believe that you are really sorry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 (edited) British say no Genocide? then there is NO GENOCIDE. (politically speaking) Yes, so if we use their standard than we must also assume that Turks are actually "European" and that we magically fell from the sky 2500 years ago. Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 (edited) Teeth unravel Anglo-Saxon legacy By Paul Rincon BBC News Online science staff New scientific research adds to growing evidence that the Anglo-Saxons did not replace the native population in England as history books suggest. The data indicates at least some areas of eastern England absorbed very few Anglo-Saxon invaders, contrary to the view in many historical accounts. Chemical analysis of human teeth from a Medieval cemetery in Yorkshire found few individuals of continental origin. Details of the work are described in the scholarly journal Antiquity. There are practices that are being adopted from continental Europe. To what extent is that a movement of people (into Britain)? Probably not that much Dr Paul Budd, University of Durham Researchers from the University of Durham and the British Geological Survey looked at different types of the elements strontium and oxygen in the teeth of 24 skeletons from an early Anglo-Saxon cemetery at West Heslerton, North Yorkshire that spans the fifth to the seventh centuries AD. These types, or isotopes, of oxygen in local drinking water vary across Europe and locally within the British Isles. The differences are influenced by latitude, altitude, distance from the sea and, to a lesser extent, mean annual temperature. Invasion of ideas This characteristic isotope composition gets set in people's teeth before they are 12 years of age, and can therefore be used by scientists to pinpoint a person's geographical origin. Of the 24 individuals sampled, a possible four had oxygen isotope values outside the range for the British Isles. Following improvements in calibration, the group now believes only one individual was from continental Europe. The results support the view of other researchers that the introduction of Anglo-Saxon culture and language into Britain did not occur through large-scale replacement of native populations by invading tribes. It seems more likely that there was a small-scale immigration from continental Europe and that the existing British population adopted the customs of these outsiders as their own. "There are practices that are being adopted from continental Europe. To what extent is that a movement of people (into Britain)? Probably not that much," Dr Paul Budd of the University of Durham told BBC News Online. But the team did find evidence for migration into the area from other parts of Britain during the period. While the isotopic composition of Bronze Age remains from West Heslerton matched local drinking water isotope compositions, the early Medieval group were more varied. Of the 20 locals, 13 had oxygen isotope signals consistent with an origin west of the Pennines. Dr Budd puts this down to upheaval amongst the British population after the Romans withdrew their armies and administrators from the country in the fifth century AD. "At the end of the Roman period there was a huge collapse of a centuries-long organisation, in government and in how the landscape was used. The population moves off elsewhere to exploit the landscape for agriculture." The Anglo-Saxons supposedly began migrating into Britain en masse from the fifth century. Their culture and language has long formed the basis for English national identity. Genetic support The findings broadly agree with a large genetic survey of the British Isles published in 2003. The study, led by Professor David Goldstein of University College London, found that the genetic stamp of the Anglo-Saxons on the British Isles was weaker than expected. Professor Goldstein attributes less than half of the paternal input in England to Anglo-Saxon migration. "I don't think there ever was evidence for a massive population replacement. From the genetics, it's pretty clear there was not complete replacement on the paternal side in England," Professor Goldstein told BBC News Online. "Studies like this suggest that the number of individuals that came over is small and even in burial sites that are Anglo-Saxon culturally, they're actually natives." However, Dr Neal Bradman, also of University College London, suggested that, since the teeth of immigrants' descendents would take on the isotopic composition of the local area, it was impossible to know whether the burials were of Britons or not without conducting genetic analysis. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/3514756.stm Published: 2004/03/17 11:32:31 GMT © BBC MMIV So by British standards the English did not invade, but rather procreated, which means that Armenians are now suppose to beleive that it was civil war rather than genocide? Edited May 31, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 so sorry. plz...dont ban me... im just a crazy kid in this world of drugs and out of control hormones. Pft. Why dont we just get back on topic?? British say no Genocide? then there is NO GENOCIDE. (politically speaking) There is a place for kids like you in this forum... it is just here. The genocide section is for serious discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSwine Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Let me adress my claims once more. It does not matter what is truth or not, what does matter is what they say. And you can not change their opinion, if you somehow change their mind, they will end up screwing you some other way. I don't know, does that at least make some sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 No, none at all. Have you been reading George Orwell lately. You know, he DOESN'T believe in the things he writes about in 1984. Just thought I'd point it out before you get even more confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted March 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Let me adress my claims once more. It does not matter what is truth or not, what does matter is what they say. And you can not change their opinion, if you somehow change their mind, they will end up screwing you some other way. I don't know, does that at least make some sense? I am astonished how prudently opinionated you are and also how sure you are in your opinions regardless how ridiculous most of them sound. I am 38 yr old and still would not claim to know about politics and philosophy as much as you do for 15 yr old. Somehow I sense an ego boosting effect this forum has on you for being right and correct all the time but frankly it is tiresome to read you. I wished you said less and observed and read more. The sign of true intelligence emerges when one realizes how little he knows or what he knows is recycled crap to use my favorite Ara Baliozian’s phrase. To conclude nothing you say I read seriously since nothing of substance is in what you say therefore accept this criticism as a constructive one and perhaps with little civility you may have potential to grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I am astonished how prudently opinionated you are and also how sure you are in your opinions regardless how ridiculous most of them sound. I am 38 yr old and still would not claim to know about politics and philosophy as much as you do for 15 yr old. Shoudn't that be "imprudently opinionated". But, it's best to go through, and get over, the "I know-it-all" stage of your life as early as possible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthSwine Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 George Orwell... Nah, I havent read 1984, dont plan on doing so either. I dont claim in know about politics or philosophy. You are the ones who bash on my opinions, so I bash on yours. The brits will "Never surrender". Rock ON! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 You are the ones who bash on my opinions, so I bash on yours. Why do you always feel you have to take some sort of revenge because people don't agree with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 (edited) Armenians will demonstrate, on April 3rd, in front of the British Consulate in Paris to express their indignation. Edited March 26, 2004 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Armenians will demonstrate, on April 3rd, in front of the British Consulate in Paris to express their indignation. Siamento, Do you know any details of the planned protest? Or perhaps where one can get this information? Obviously, I cannot attend as i'm an ocean away in Canada, but perhaps if we have some Armenians in France reading our forum, they might find the information useful. Many thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 (edited) Do you know any details of the planned protest? Or perhaps where one can get this information? The following is the original text: Consterné par les propos négationnistes tenus par l’ambassadeur de Grande-Bretagne en Arménie le 20 janvier dernier et réitérés depuis, ainsi que par l’appui inconséquent manifesté par Tony Blair à la candidature de la Turquie dans l’UE, le CCAF exprimera son indignation en organisant un piquet de protestation devant le Consulat britannique, 18 bis rue d’Anjou à Paris, le 3 avril de 14h30 à 15h30. http://www.armenews.com/New/index3.asp I will follow up! Regards, Siamanto. PS. CCAF stands for "Conseil de Coordination des organisations Arm�niennes de France". Edited March 26, 2004 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Much Thanks Siamento Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 WWII hero returns medals to Britain in protest 23.04.2004 18:18 http://www.yerkir.am/photo/5778.jpg YEREVAN (YERKIR) - Haroutiun Shilkarian, a former British Air Force serviceman, held a news conference on Friday to announce he was returning the two medals he was awarded by the British Government in October of 2003 for his participation in the World War II. The Armenia Revolutionary Federation (ARF) member said he was returning the awards in protest of the UK Ambassador Thorda Abbott-Watt's remark that the mass killings of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were not a genocide. Shilkarian also expressed his disappointment with the inadequate reaction the Armenians showed after the British diplomat's impertinent statement. "I thought people would march in peaceful protest against the embassy," he complained, adding the Armenians would have done so had the incident happened anywhere else in the world. http://www.yerkir.am/eng/index.php?sub=news_arm&id=5778 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 (edited) Hi guys, I think the issue of the British position is really an outcome of Armenia's internal policy making process. Why would Britain shift its position (and that was a shift) when the world is moving in the other direction (Canadayi akanje kanchi). The reason is that the British government has a "special advisor" on Armenian issues: Armen Sargsyan, the former Ambassador of Armenia to Britain during HHSH government (he served as Prime Minister for short term). Edited May 2, 2004 by ArmenSarg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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