angel4hope Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 this is a great piece of work..if i have enough time..i will post the whole essay....and offer some personal interpretation as well as some insight about gender roleing and gender identity....im sure you guys will love this!1 just check out her essay entitled "the female body" by margaret atwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 (edited) http://www.vipe.org/female.htm theres the link to the text...its great..i just read it today..and am writing an analytical essay about it Edited February 4, 2004 by angel4hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Didn't she write "the handmaids tale"? ..that was made into a mini seris or some such a few years back? Its theme was fundementalist take over the US..lus the sterility of folks requirring "handmaids" as sexual surrogates...etc - very interestingpremiss and was quire goodin general...Robert Duvall if I'm not mistaken was in it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 yess i believe youre right....but i havent seen or read it...to be honest..this is the first time i have been introduced to her work..im liking it so far...good for analytical purposes and she has great literary tools in use... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Her site is great BTW - I have just been scanning through it...but i immagine that our resident (anti-femisit) mouse would have a real problem with it...just on principle...(and because...well...if you don't know by now you should...anyway...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 well im not a radical feminist or a femmenist per se...just like the way she expresses her thoughts in general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 You don't need to be anything Angel...just stick up for yourself as a human being that's all - and don't ever settle for less... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 wow thanx thoth..thats really cool of you to say.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 titles like this are strange i think!! almost as strange as people who've never been in love or loved or known what it is like to be loved and to lose who sit down and 'romanticize' about these "ideas"...some things were meant to be lived through!!! can't sit down and write about such things..oh "female body"... i don't know this particular work but sounds like someone who has too much time on their hands or has been deprived of the (female) body!!!---love and romance and dying for one's country and all those kinds of 'romantic' ideas can only fully be understood by living and suffering through them and if you're lucky, come out with something good in the end... just can't 'learn' everything from books and reading!! duh!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 http://www.vipe.org/female.htm theres the link to the text...its great..i just read it today..and am writing an analytical essay about it LOL, angel jan, kaghtser, after the first 20 words that i could barely even read.. i stopped reading it.. LOL.. can you summerize that article with your intuition,, i loe your side of the story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Oh, there is just one thing i have to say about the female body.. well 2.. Perfection like the female body did not evolve.. lol.. And the female body must be respected both by the owners of that body, and those of the opposite sex. A view which is at the bottom of the pithole and filled over with a few hundred tons of dirt.. but nonetheless it is a view which i think shows real capabilities of that human being... A The female body is beautiful, yet in the eyes of males, its a machine to lust over and daydream about.. WAKE UP!!!!!!! I dont even know if this was off topic, just my 2 1/2 cents about it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 BTW Angel I pretty much just read that whole site and enjoyed it emensly...thanks so much for the link... And don't knowif this is off topic (or in bad taste...sorry of soem think so) but another one from the Onion that hadme crackign up..and yes I do se that it is related ina sense... http://www.theonion.com/4005/opinion1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 bruin i suggest you read the essay before you go on commenting...its not even about love or attraction or relationships...its about gender roleing and stereotypes...i hate this about the forum...u post something and people have 2 bash you...criticism is great..but y u got2get personal?? "someone whose never been in love.." how do you know??....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 bruin i suggest you read the essay before you go on commenting...its not even about love or attraction or relationships...its about gender roleing and stereotypes...i hate this about the forum...u post something and people have 2 bash you...criticism is great..but y u got2get personal?? "someone whose never been in love.." how do you know??....... i wasn't bashing nor was i talking about you!! did you write the article? no! i was talking generally about poets and novelists ... sorry if you took it personally...and well, that's my opinion the title is not very inviting..sounds lame to me... maybe you can give a quick summary of what it's sayin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 bruin i suggest you read the essay before you go on commenting...its not even about love or attraction or relationships...its about gender roleing and stereotypes...i hate this about the forum...u post something and people have 2 bash you...criticism is great..but y u got2get personal?? "someone whose never been in love.." how do you know??....... DONT WORRY BE HAPPY>> PLEASEEEEEEEE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 BTW Angel I pretty much just read that whole site and enjoyed it emensly...thanks so much for the link... Same here Angel. I was reading the whole site (and other sites posted there) the whole evening. I even emailed it to my friend. Thank you for posting it. Oh, and "The Female Body" is truly a great work. So original and so true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 The male body is refrigerator shaped. We are the rectangle people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 i was talking generally about poets and novelists ... sorry if you took it personally...and well, that's my opinion the title is not very inviting..sounds lame to me... maybe you can give a quick summary of what it's sayin Hyebruin, I'm just curious, did you read the essay. The way you responded seems like you haven't. If you haven't, how can you criticize it in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 oops my bad bruin...all apologies...im sorry if i misinterpreted your post...coolio? ;) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Hyebruin, I'm just curious, did you read the essay. The way you responded seems like you haven't. If you haven't, how can you criticize it in the first place? you're right i haven't....but like i said the title sounds lame...maybe the content isn't hence i asked for a quick summary...don't mean to be lazy but i don't have time to read it right now! ---don't you need a good catchy title to get people interested in it?---even if it said the "the male body" i wouldn't have jumped....wellll....maybe!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 lol ure right bruin...unfortunately i dont have enough time to analyze or summarize...maybe another day...???!!! but its not that long...when you read it you will most likely either agree full on or disagree extremely..im kinda in the middle though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 you're right i haven't....but like i said the title sounds lame...maybe the content isn't hence i asked for a quick summary...don't mean to be lazy but i don't have time to read it right now! ---don't you need a good catchy title to get people interested in it?---even if it said the "the male body" i wouldn't have jumped....wellll....maybe!! Bruin jan, maybe this was meant to be read by guys then,, you know in the same sense you were interpretting LOL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Didn't she write "the handmaids tale"? ..that was made into a mini seris or some such a few years back? Its theme was fundementalist take over the US..lus the sterility of folks requirring "handmaids" as sexual surrogates...etc - very interestingpremiss and was quire goodin general...Robert Duvall if I'm not mistaken was in it.. An embarassingly bad film, is the way I remember it. To be honest, I didn't like the book much either, though I did only skim-read through it. I read a lot of "imagined-words" type of fantasy fiction in the 1980s, and that book seemed amateurish by comparison with others, and written by someone that does not know the genre and actually thinks they are being original. The book is really the 1980s equivalent of "Valley of the dolls" in that adults bought it because it was talked about, and children read it because of all the sex scenes. I've been glancing at the site; it seems to have a lot of outdated feminist rubbish. Take a look at this: "The Female Body has many uses. It's been used as a door knocker, a bottle-opener, as a clock with a ticking belly, as something to hold up lampshades, as a nutcracker, just squeeze the brass legs together and out comes your nut. It bears torches, lifts victorious wreaths, grows copper wings and raises aloft a ring of neon stars, whole buildings rest on its marble heads." All those things are physical metaphors of femininity, and date back to the earliest conciousness of humanity and the very heart of everythign that makes our culture vibrant and colourful. But to Atwood's sterile mind they are all just shackles to chain women up with. Quickly! - go over to ebay, - you will find something interesting, and Armenian, and related to the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted February 9, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 yess...and to add to that i am analyzing her essay the female body for lecture on tusday....it actually isnt feminist or even wat people think it is the first time around, its more of a collaboration of what society has imprinted within its "children" of what gender roles and gender identities are...one needs to read her essay at least over 5 times to fully grasp what she is trying to get across..you also need to know certain things such as how she uses allusions and such to bring forth gender roles....like end of verse 7 where she speaks of a pumpkin..."atch it and put it in a pumpkin" alludes to peter peter pumpkin eater nursery rhyme and it is showing how these things instill gender roleing in young children..not that shes saying its a good or bad thing, these associations are to be made by the audience ...the reader himself/herself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
den_wolf Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 (edited) I'm not usually one to pass judgement on people for their style of writing or their views, but I must say that Margaret Atwood's style is really bad, annoyingly so, because: a) Her style is wayy too complex in its simplicity. It tries too hard. b ) She seems to try too hard to be "mysterious" or "open to interpretation." c) Her poetry is the worst I've come across, and I've read quite a lot of poetry. What has poetry come down to?! Sad. d) I don't quite understand how she has "earned" so much "fame." I don't consider her a gifted writer at all. I've read some of her books. I think she's hugely overrated. For more on the female body, gender identity, gender performance and performativity, I highly recommend Judith Butler. And if you're a fiction fan, if you want an insight on gender, culture, class hierarchies, and patriarchy, I recommend that you read Ann-Marie MacDonald's Fall On Your Knees. A relatively thick book, but worth the read. At the end of the day, it will make you think about what the female body is and all the problems women have to face each day when it comes to femininity and society's view of women's bodies and sexuality. Another fictional book by a black feminist and civil rights advocate Zora Neale Hurston, Their Eyes Were Watching God. Very, very complex book. Worth the read. I would've suggested Toni Morrison, but she too is Atwood-like. And I consider both to be the Harlequin romance-book version of what literary circles used to highly value. And all feminists must read Kate Chopin. Edited February 9, 2004 by den_wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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