Dan Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 (edited) Not that it means anything, but here you go (for all the IQ nuts lol): --- http://www.rlynn.co.uk http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.htm National IQs Based on the Results of Intelligence Tests and Estimated National IQs (marked by *) Based on the IQs of Neighbouring or Other Comparable Countries. Note: IQ purists say anything within a four point range is considered the same or comparable. Country - National IQ a.. Hong Kong - 107 b.. Korea, South - 106 c.. Japan - 105 d.. Korea, North - 105* e.. Taiwan - 104 f.. Austria - 102 g.. Germany - 102 h.. Italy - 102 i.. Netherlands - 102 j.. Luxembourg - 101* k.. Sweden - 101 l.. Switzerland - 101 m.. Belgium - 100 n.. China - 100 o.. New Zealand - 100 p.. Singapore - 100 q.. United Kingdom - 100 r.. Hungary - 99 s.. Poland - 99 t.. Spain - 99 u.. France - 98 v.. Australia - 98 w.. Denmark - 98 x.. Iceland - 98* y.. Mongolia - 98* z.. Norway - 98 aa.. United States - 98 ab.. Canada - 97 ac.. Czech Republic - 97 ad.. Estonia - 97* ae.. Finland - 97 af.. Latvia - 97* ag.. Lithuania - 97* ah.. Argentina - 96 ai.. Belarus - 96* aj.. Russia - 96 ak.. Slovakia - 96 al.. Ukraine - 96* am.. Uruguay - 96 an.. Vietnam - 96* ao.. Malta - 95* ap.. Moldova - 95* aq.. Portugal - 95 ar.. Slovenia - 95 as.. Israel - 94 at.. Romania - 94 au.. Armenia - 93* av.. Chile - 93* aw.. Bulgaria - 93 ax.. Georgia - 93* ay.. Ireland - 93 az.. Kazakhstan - 93* ba.. Macedonia - 93* bb.. Yugoslavia - 93* bc.. Brunei - 92* bd.. Cyprus - 92* be.. Greece - 92 bf.. Malaysia - 92 bg.. Costa Rica - 91* bh.. Thailand - 91 bi.. Albania - 90* bj.. Croatia - 90 bk.. Peru - 90 bl.. Turkey - 90 bm.. Cambodia - 89* bn.. Indonesia - 89 bo.. Suriname - 89 bp.. Laos - 89* bq.. Colombia - 88 br.. Venezuela - 88* bs.. Azerbaijan - 87* bt.. Brazil - 87 bu.. Iraq - 87 bv.. Jordan - 87* bw.. Kyrgyzstan - 87* bx.. Mexico - 87 by.. Samoa (Western) - 87 bz.. Syria - 87* ca.. Tajikistan - 87* cb.. Tonga - 87 cc.. Turkmenistan - 87* cd.. Uzbekistan - 87* ce.. Burma (Myanmar) - 86* cf.. Philippines - 86 cg.. Lebanon - 86 ch.. Bolivia - 85* ci.. Cuba - 85 cj.. Morocco - 85 ck.. Paraguay - 85* cl.. Algeria - 84* cm.. Dominican Republic - 84* cn.. El Salvador - 84* co.. Guyana - 84* cp.. Honduras - 84* cq.. Iran - 84 cr.. Kiribati - 84* cs.. Libya - 84* ct.. Marshall Islands - 84 cu.. Micronesia - 84* cv.. Nicaragua - 84* cw.. Panama - 84* cx.. Papua New Guinea - 84* cy.. Puerto Rico - 84 cz.. Solomon Islands - 84* da.. Tunisia - 84* db.. Vanuatu - 84* dc.. Afghanistan - 83* dd.. Bahrain - 83* de.. Belize - 83* df.. Egypt - 83 dg.. Kuwait - 83* dh.. Oman - 83* di.. Saudi Arabia - 83* dj.. United Arab Emirates - 83* dk.. Yemen - 83* dl.. Bangladesh - 81* dm.. India - 81 dn.. Maldives - 81* do.. Mauritius - 81* dp.. Pakistan - 81* dq.. Seychelles - 81* dr.. Sri Lanka - 81* ds.. Ecuador - 80 dt.. Trinidad & Tobago - 80* du.. Comoros - 79* dv.. Guatemala - 79 dw.. Madagascar - 79* dx.. Barbados - 78 dy.. Bahamas - 78* dz.. Bhutan - 78* ea.. Cape Verde - 78* eb.. Nepal - 78 ec.. Qatar - 78 ed.. Zambia - 77 ee.. Antigua & Barbuda - 75* ef.. Grenada - 75* eg.. Dominica - 75* eh.. St. Kitts & Nevis - 75* ei.. St. Lucia - 75* ej.. St.Vincent/Grenadines - 75* ek.. Congo (Braz) - 73 el.. Mauritania - 73* em.. Uganda - 73 en.. Botswana - 72* eo.. Chad - 72* ep.. Haiti - 72* eq.. Jamaica - 72 er.. Kenya - 72 es.. Lesotho - 72* et.. Mosambique - 72* eu.. Namibia - 72* ev.. South Africa - 72 ew.. Swaziland - 72* ex.. Sudan - 72 ey.. Tanzania - 72 ez.. Côte d'Ivoire - 71* fa.. Ghana - 71 fb.. Malawi - 71* fc.. Burundi - 70* fd.. Cameroon - 70* fe.. Rwanda - 70* ff.. Angola - 69* fg.. Benin - 69* fh.. Togo - 69* fi.. Central African Rep. - 68* fj.. Djibouti - 68* fk.. Eritrea - 68* fl.. Mali - 68* fm.. Somalia - 68* fn.. Niger - 67* fo.. Nigeria - 67 fp.. Burkina Faso - 66* fq.. Gabon - 66* fr.. Zimbabwe - 66 fs.. Congo (Zaire) - 65 ft.. Gambia - 64* fu.. Liberia - 64* fv.. Senegal - 64* fw.. Sierra Leone - 64 fx.. Ethiopia - 63 fy.. Guinea - 63 fz.. Guinea-Bissau - 63* ga.. Sao Tome/Principe - 59* gb.. Equatorial Guinea - 59 Edited January 27, 2004 by Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Interesting because I thought intelligence was a "social construct". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 well the "IQ" measurement is a social construct, if it helps at all. lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 well the "IQ" measurement is a social construct, if it helps at all. lol.. Intelligence is biological. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Intelligence is biological. Well.. I'm not arguing that it isn't.. but the IQ test is a social construct in that human beings have constructed it to "measure" intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Interesting Armenia is higher than Turkey by 3 points and lower than Russia by 3. And most surprising is that the US is pretty high up there - 98. Could it be that the IQ test is an innacurate determinant of intelligence level after all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Well.. I'm not arguing that it isn't.. but the IQ test is a social construct in that human beings have constructed it to "measure" intelligence. Both you cats, and um mice, think that intelligence is biological? Doesn't have to do with resources, access to knowledge, and ability to study? Of course, genius is genius, but you're telling me that if a tribe from Madagascar was able to train, and go to school just like students from Paris or something, that they simply wouldn't be able to attain the same level of socially constructed IQ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 And most surprising is that the US is pretty high up there - 98. Could it be that the IQ test is an innacurate determinant of intelligence level after all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Both you cats, and um mice, think that intelligence is biological? Doesn't have to do with resources, access to knowledge, and ability to study? Of course, genius is genius, but you're telling me that if a tribe from Madagascar was able to train, and go to school just like students from Paris or something, that they simply wouldn't be able to attain the same level of socially constructed IQ? sev-mard jan, no one is saying that they won't.. the IQ levels above are national IQ levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 (edited) (Anonymouse @ Jan 26 2004, 09:59 PM) Intelligence is biological. Well.. I'm not arguing that it isn't.. I was just going on this part of your and mousy's statements... Edited January 27, 2004 by sev-mard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Hey Dan in my first post I tried to quote your post where you quoted Mousy as saying "intelligence is biological" but it didn't work, so it my statement looked funny i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Well.. I'm not arguing that it isn't.. Sev-mard jan, I was neither arguing that it was, nor arguing that it wasn't (unless I'm forgetting what I posted -- I didn't re-read the thread lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 LMAO about the U.S. And, Sevig, I suppose these would tell you about the opportunities and such offered by that country. Intelligence is biological, but smartness (or whatever the fancy word for that ought to be, they just aren't the same) is acquired, a quotient is a human construct, and IQ is a social construct. I personally think it should be called smartness quotient. And, knowing the ways of this forum, I have an idea where things may lead at some point <_< and would like to make a statement. It may be that some races, microraces, groups, etc., will be prevailing over others BUT - I think it has no more significance as to one's choosing their partner in life or their friends any more than it would for a person looking for a pet for love and comfort - no-one picks puppies, preferring one breed over another because one is supposed to be more intelligent. Siamese cats despite their higher intelligence fare poorer than a lot of other breeds, and the "smart breeds" of dogs aren't necessarily sought after unless they are to be brought up as hunters. Humans, whether they are the ones we love or just interact with on a daily basis, aren't there for the functionality, either. We love them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 I'm no expert in the field but I can't help possessing some layman's objections about this taking of averages. Armenia is averaged between Turkey and Russia. And Botswana is averaged between Zambia and Zimbabwe. I haven't been to any of these last three countries, but I think Botswana's possibilities should be much better than the other two's - it is (or was) one of the fastest growing economies in the world and is one of the few countries in Africa that for one reason or another make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Oh, what I had finally wanted to get in in the first post of mine on this thread was that you don't have people putting up "Daschun pride" website for their pets dissing others but you have all this crap about differences between our species - simply because we're a nasty one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 And, knowing the ways of this forum, I have an idea where things may lead at some point and would like to make a statement. It may be that some races, microraces, groups, etc., will be prevailing over others BUT - I think it has no more significance as to one's choosing their partner in life or their friends any more than it would for a person looking for a pet for love and comfort Stormig, I can assure you there were no ulterior motives in starting this thread, no matter how "racist" I might have looked in the other (MLK) thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Oh, what I had finally wanted to get in in the first post of mine on this thread was that you don't have people putting up "Daschun pride" website for their pets dissing others but you have all this crap about differences between our species - simply because we're a nasty one. Yeah, you are right, they don't do that (although I'm sure there might be one or two if you do a thorough search on google)... And I can also assure you that if dogs could design websites, they would've put up a website dissing each other for this or that reason.. And of course, if you do a search on google about dog IQ, you will get a lot of results, like this one: http://www.petrix.com/dogint/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Interesting Armenia is higher than Turkey by 3 points and lower than Russia by 3. where was no test done in Armenia. it was an esstimate, an arithmetic mean of Russia and Turkey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasak Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 we all saw that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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