Armo77 Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 (edited) the reason i made my comment is because ive seen people go to USA, think its great, then they cant get a 1 week break to go on holiday, and they have to work 10 hours a day....if u are happy to be a member of such a society, i feel sorry for u Where do ALL of you get your information at?!?!?! I get 18 paid days a year off. I work maybe 30 hours a week yet get paid for 50 hours.. Hell yeah I am proud to be a part of THIS society. And guess what.... I have this ENTIRE paid week off work to spend with my family for the holidays.. P.S. Get a college education.. then maybe you would not be forced to do such hard back breaking work. Work Smarter, not harder. Edited December 21, 2003 by Armo77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyebruin Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 (edited) regardless of where someone lives or where someone is from, once they move to a new place they should adapt to the changes and adopt the new culture of the land they're in; this doesn't mean forgetting their roots but they should drop this "us and them" mentality---this is the one thing that irks me more than anything else about armos!!---if they don't like it they should crawl back to where they came from!!---living in the u.s. with anti-american sentiment and pro-communist ideations...it really is disgusting!! why bother getting a green card and trying to stay here legally and munch off of our tax dollars and get public assistance or medicaid---these people deserve to live in a country where electricity is not a 24/7 phenomenon!! ---bedk-eh khonarvehn ays yergreeh baareknerren! pokharen vohr goroz goroz dadarg khosen u boghoken!!--- america is certainly not a 'perfect' country, but it's the best damn one in the world!! where else would you see an austrian immigrant go on to become governor of a big state??? Edited December 21, 2003 by hyebruin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armo77 Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 where else would you see an austrian immigrant go on to become governor of a big state??? not to mention my entire city block is made of of every nationality known to man. Where else can you find something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted March 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 I just voted in the California Primaries. Wanted to get it out of the way before I start my day. Those of you who can, please go and vote. Again, the system is not perfect but it's still a democracy and the one most important right that we have as citizens is the right to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 I just wanted to express my happiness for becoming a citizen of the U.S. Despite its defects the United States is the best country in the world and the more I think about it the prouder I feel at having finally become a U.S. citizen. Hey anoushik jan, sorry for not Congratulating you, this post was before i joined.. lol.. So, Congratulations.. its one step up in this country.. i guess. lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 (edited) if they don't like it they should crawl back to where they came from So if you live in another country you have no right at all to criticize the government? where else would you see an austrian immigrant go on to become governor of a big state??? Yeah, where else could a musclehead with the brains of a peanut become governor? Only in the US Edited March 2, 2004 by gurgen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 So if you live in another country you have no right at all to criticize the government? Yeah, where else could a musclehead with the brains of a peanut become governor? Only in the US LMAO!!! ok, atleast its a good sizedjuicy peanut Gurgen.... lol.. and criticising the government, and stating over and over again they hate this nation.. there is a gap in there.. you see?? lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Yes, sure I see. But one should be able to express his opinion and I get the feeling that in the US when people say they don't agree with a certain policy they get the label 'anti-American' or 'non-patriotic' very fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 It depends on what the opinion is ... for example, I think these PETA people are dumb arse moronic idiots. But they are exercising their American rights to bitch and complain about every stupid thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 PETA are hypocrits anyway. They take half-arsed actions to 'prevent suffering' as long as it doesn't cause them any inconvenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALTnPEPA92 Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 I just wanted to express my happiness for becoming a citizen of the U.S. Despite its defects the United States is the best country in the world and the more I think about it the prouder I feel at having finally become a U.S. citizen. CONGRATZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALTnPEPA92 Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 CONGRATZ actually i hate america what freedom man?????? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 actually i hate america what freedom man?????? lol Where are you planning to move to? Do you need any help packing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALTnPEPA92 Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Where are you planning to move to? Do you need any help packing? no im messing lollll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 I just voted in the California Primaries. Wanted to get it out of the way before I start my day. Those of you who can, please go and vote. Again, the system is not perfect but it's still a democracy and the one most important right that we have as citizens is the right to vote. I like your attitude.You make me proud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Oh, I forgot to say that most people choose to work all their lifes instead of getting welfare from the government, but the problem is that Sweden has a very high rate of unemployment. Everyone dreams of finding a decent job so that's why a lot of Swedish themselves come to the U.S. to work. Now, why would they do that if they could get free money from the government? Hmm... Im sorry but how low is the unemployment in USA? So socialist countries are boring? Bash the socialist countries they are boring!? I can imagine that the poor and homeless people of america would feel diffrently about living in USA. The poor living anywhere actually.And trust me, in sweden today, we see more and more rich people... I mean REALLY rich. Then dont come to Europe for vacation. And why visit armenia? ...Why live there? Boring.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 im sorry but i totally dont believe in voting- if youre curious- i can write you a 100 page essay on why and maybe convince you to believe me... unless God himself comes down from heaven and says politicians are "honest" people i will not waste my persional time and vote... thats just how i see it- no criticism or anything involved for other people's actions who vote- just my personal "theory" on politics and government- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Im sorry but how low is the unemployment in USA? So socialist countries are boring? Bash the socialist countries they are boring!? I can imagine that the poor and homeless people of america would feel diffrently about living in USA. The poor living anywhere actually.And trust me, in sweden today, we see more and more rich people... I mean REALLY rich. Then dont come to Europe for vacation. And why visit armenia? ...Why live there? Boring.. ehh... hang on now.. lmao.. US has its share of problems.. but the unemployment rate is due to waaaay to manyfactors of our economy and in no way cant be blamed on one individual, or one party... and Angel, as bad has the people are themselves, the overall system is a better way of government than communism... If you dont beleive in voting, you are saying that voting is wrong? not a 100 page essay, but something real quick if u dont mind!!!! lol... dont get me wrong guys, in the perfect world communism would be ideal.. but ofcourse we would all have to be perfect people, prefectl unselfsih etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted March 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Thank you Gevo and Saltnpepa for the Congrats. Well, Angel, there's some truth to what you're saying. Politicians do lie (they actually have to, otherwise no one would vote for them if they were simply telling the truth, sorry, but that's the reality) and they all seem to be like the rest, so why bother, right? But there are some differences between these politicians, differences deeply rooted in their beliefs and values. So we have to choose whom we want to represent us as a whole - we all have to participate. You and a lot of people don't believe in this democracy, but who would've thought that Davis would be kicked out and Arnold would replace him? It was the people's choice, plain simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 What's the plus side of citizenship? You get endless taxation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurgen Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Don't bitch. In Holland it goes up to 52%. Few years ago it was as high as 71% (!!!) Makes you wonder if you work for you or for the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 in response to anoushik and gevo- This is an informal resopnse- in other circumstances I would be actually providing you with raw data and citing my claims- but I have things to do... First of all, why should I vote if the popular vote is not as significant as the electoral votes? Afterall, Bush won his candidacy tyhrough electoral votes. Second of all, no matter what candidates promise, they are only doing it to get in office, once they're in, its a different story- where you have "exchanging favors" inwhich politicians exchange favors for votes on issues- "you scratch my back, ill scratch yours" Thirdly, how can you trust a government in which the majority involved are hippocrites, generally speaking the whjole structure of this so called democratic government is a sham- democracy=the people's choice- and how are these people's voices heard when things only work out for the majoriye? there's always an inevitable minority group which suffers.... Fourthly, although we get many freedoms and rights and advantages, we also get "used" and cheated out of things- have you ever studied the American government and it's history? Ill give you some important facts here: Do you know how much money goes into these candidates and their primaries and the whole election system? you would be surprised.... over millions of dollars are raised for candidates to go and publicize themselves and introduce themselves to the public and - the whole campaigning crap- I volunteered at a couple of campaigns and worked with these candidates before in high school- you would be surprised how arrogant and dismissive they are when it comes to the "little people" as they call US.... All the money that is spent on campaigning can feed 10 third world countries- oh and not mentioning all they ways these candidates have their ways around the limitations stature- i believe that's what it's called- Once I think of the rest of my evidence, I will post them--- for the time being, just see where Im comeing from-- Im not trying to sway your opinions, just giving you the reasons behind my actions- I also don't want you to try to give me all this bullcrap to make me "see that im wrong and your right" I would appreciate your opinion and your standpoint- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gevo27 Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Electoral votes are from the majority votes of each state. So, in essence the electoral votes are the majority of each state.. Bush did have little less than Gore in the overall popular votes.. Even though there are many many many flaws in this system of government we are involved in today, it is miniscule compared to those problems which arise in communism and even a system of perfect democracy... See, the oney raised for campaigns, and then spent is spent in our global capital anyways, businesses make money etc... so any money spent in mostly anything flows back into the economy.. even though our federal tax rates are not really that high compareably with most of europe canada etc... we, especially CA, has the worst human resource and medical plans in the developed and westernized rich country realm like ourselves.. it is ridiculouse, but ofcourse, we get to keep more of our money and spend it more the way we like for ourselves, and not let the government spend it for hopefully the "greater good" anywho.. in all essence voting is important, because in a democratic society if you do not vote, then you cant complain for who sits in office, and taxes etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Electoral votes are from the majority votes of each state. So, in essence the electoral votes are the majority of each state.. Bush did have little less than Gore in the overall popular votes.. Even though there are many many many flaws in this system of government we are involved in today, it is miniscule compared to those problems which arise in communism and even a system of perfect democracy... See, the oney raised for campaigns, and then spent is spent in our global capital anyways, businesses make money etc... so any money spent in mostly anything flows back into the economy.. even though our federal tax rates are not really that high compareably with most of europe canada etc... we, especially CA, has the worst human resource and medical plans in the developed and westernized rich country realm like ourselves.. it is ridiculouse, but ofcourse, we get to keep more of our money and spend it more the way we like for ourselves, and not let the government spend it for hopefully the "greater good" anywho.. in all essence voting is important, because in a democratic society if you do not vote, then you cant complain for who sits in office, and taxes etc... oh contraire my friend!!.... oh dont get me started!!... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What Are Electoral Votes? While many Americans feel as if they vote directly for a presidential candidate on election day, they actually vote for electors: individuals who vote in the electoral college. The total electoral vote, not the popular vote, actually determines the winner of U.S. presidential elections. Generally, all the electoral votes in a state are awarded to that candidate who wins the popular vote. Hence, a majority or plurality of the voters in Alabama, for example, will vote for either the Democratic or Republican (or a third-pary) candidate; that winning candidate in Alabama then generally receives all of Alabama's 9 electoral votes. The total number of electoral votes is 538, so that, if no third-party candidates wins in any state, a candidate must get at least 270 total electoral votes to be elected President. The number of electoral votes held by each state, depends on the relative size of the state's population. Therefore, well-populated states, such as California, Texas, and New York are highly important because they have so many electoral votes (California has the most with 54). It is technically possible for the candidate without the most popular votes to receive the most electoral votes, and therefore be elected President even though more actual voters chose a different candidate, but this scenario has happened only a couple of times in history, and never in this century. If this scenario were to happen in the modern era, the seeming injustice would undoubtedly lead some to call for a constitutional amendment to reform U.S. voting procedures in the future. Until such an event, most Americans seem content with their unique electoral college system which, among other things, ensures that the outcome is determined rather quickly on election night as millions follow each candidates' climb to the 270 threshhold. Americans pay little attention to the electoral college, which meets much later, and is assumed to essentially "ratify" the outcome. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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