Asala

[Arpa]

DENIAL GOES HIGH-TECH

 

Now that everyone one and their cousins have joined the cacophonic chorus of wolves, look and see what that asseri/russian/israeli/jew Yosef Shagal has joined his brother jackals, look what this hyena in Minnesotl has come to the rescue "just-in" time.

It seems like some people are reading and heeding what is being said here about ASALA and Dashnak and the chronology of events, that ASALA, born 60 years after the extermination campaign was an effect, not a cause. (Highlights mine)

Also note below the reference to NAZI. When did Armnians or Armenia ally and collaborate with the Nazis? When it is common knowledge that furks did ally and collaborate with those other dogs, the most recent of which are in 1914 WWI , and 1939 WWII, when the cowardly dogs, realizing that they had allied with the defeating wrong side, did an about face and reallied with the Allies. Not to forget that the little Armenia lost hundreds of thousand fighing the Nazis, and that the first battallion entering Berlin was Armenian.

To not also forget that the author below uses the phrase "my furkish friends". Huh! "furk"? "friend"? When did a vicious dog become a "friend", to whom?

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TURKS NEED A CALMER APPROACH TO COUNTER ARMENIAN CLAIMS 
Justin Paul

Turkish Daily News
April 1 2008
Turkey

The crucial point that many Turkish lobbyists miss is that you
need to invoke calmer argumentation when your viewpoint is the less
accepted one

We are a few weeks away from the date the Armenian Diaspora chooses
to commemorate their interpretation of the events of 1915 as
"genocide." This marks an especially strident peak of tension in a
geo-political relationship that is already a poisoned chalice. The
Armenian side's commemoration will likely be the same as it always
is. But the Turkish camp should take the moral high-ground and begin
to change their tactics.It is very understandable that Turks and
Turkish-Americans feel cornered by the often aggressive tactics of the
Armenian lobby, including recent demonstrations featuring disgusting
imagery of a mock lynching of a Turkish imam. However, this is no
excuse to respond in a manner that is frequently disingenuous. The
use of the Pinocchio imagery at demonstrations in New York last
year was beyond reprehensible. Let us keep in mind that the Turkish
narrative that those demonstrators were seeking to uphold maintains
that a substantial inter-communal conflict did take place with many
deaths on both sides. The Pinocchio imagery seems to indicate that
those demonstrating felt that 1915 with all its bloodshed was a giant
cartoon. Any objective third party to walk by that day would likely
see such a tactic as desperate.

[b]Stop the Pinocchio imagery:[/b]

Strident and over-the-top reactions to the Armenian narrative are not
going to engender support from neutrals. It is true that most Americans
are disinterested in this whole affair, we would probably be barely
aware of what happened in our own country in 1915 had it not been
for World War I. But for those Americans with knowledge of history,
and who are interested in exploring both sides of a complex equation,
there needs to be an effective and reasonable response to the Armenian
lobby's political and historical assertions.[b]The major tactic that
seems to be in favor with Ankara and Turkish American groups is the
"shotgun" method.[/b] This is a term we use on certain types of law school
exams that means listing as many arguments as possible without much
concern for which are the best arguments. This is generally not the
best way to do well in legal education, nor is it a charm offensive
that is reaping the Turkish side many supporters. [b]An example of this
is the site tallarmeniantale.com, which, while done by a lay person,
has been championed by some Turkish lobbyists as a resource.[/b] The
overall design of the site has become slightly less of an aesthetic
blight over the years, but its content is jumbled, disorganized and
often intellectually misleading.

This site launches ad-hominem attacks on Turkish intellectuals closer
to the Armenian side, [b]such as disparaging Fatma Muge Gokcek[/b] about
her weight. It also portrays [b]Armenians as arch Nazis[/b] on the basis of
one particular collaborator, conveniently forgetting that many more
[b]Armenians died fighting Nazism[/b]. The site basically strays far and away
from any noble defense of the Ottoman Muslims who lost their lives in
World War I and enters a realm of vicious anti-Armenian diatribe. Its
intellectual companionship would be such conspiracy oriented rags
like the Protocols of Elders of Zion, as you would leave this site
thinking the Armenian Lobby pretty much controls the United States
and is one hateful cabal.

Stop ad-hominem attacks:

The Assembly of Turkish American Associations (ATAA) has also engaged
in some misrepresentations, [b]especially when they listed ASALA
terrorism as going on to the present day.[/b] Thanks to the efforts
of Turkish Special Forces and Israel, [b]ASALA is gone[/b]. The ATAA is
a very solid and well-organized lobbying group that has done a lot
for Turkish Americans and it behooves its otherwise solid reputation
not to print such stories. Turkey has every right to mention ASALA
and mourn the diplomats killed by those terrorists, [b]but it should
not be conflated with 1915[/b]. Similarly, intellectual honesty was
dealt another blow when Taner Akcam was compared to Osama Bin Laden
in some signs at Turkish demonstrations. Invoking Akcam's leftist
past is indeed a valid point one can make when assessing potential
bias he may have. But to say he is the same as the arch terrorist
responsible for killing 3,000 Americans is pretty insulting. Would
Turks like it if Abdullah Ocalan's murderous legacy were cheapened
to score points by comparing him to some obscure American group,
like ecological vandals? Yet another failed attempt to make a noble
defense is Sarý Gelin, a popular Turkish documentary on the topic.

It makes numerous false claims, including the "facts" that Armenian
terrorists are buried under their 1915 memorial in Yerevan and
that Armenians have co-opted a major university in California,
which has in fact not been co-opted and is actually an insignificant
community college. It has good material too, but that gets lost in
its jumbled and oftentimes stridently tribal message.[b]There also
needs to be complete cessation of the tendency to conflate 1915
with dreadful Khojaly Massacre. The Artsax question is completely
separate from the historical question of 1915[/b], and must be solved
in a political manner, one that would ideally recognize Azerbaijan's
territorial integrity. But Khojaly doesn't prove or disprove anything
related to 1915. [b]Then there have been the outlandish signs at Turkish
demonstrations which allege that Armenian killed 3 million Turks and
Azeris. Turks have accused Armenians of inflating numbers and there is
some history, such as that of Justin McCarthy, which supports that
viewpoint.[/b] But why is a lobby arguing that the Armenians inflate
numbers going to turn around and do the same thing?

The crucial point that many Turkish lobbyists miss here is that you
need to invoke calmer argumentation when your viewpoint is the less
accepted one. It may not be fair that the Armenian narrative is in the
ascendancy, but that matters little. When one viewpoint is entrenched,
shrill and defensive argumentation that smacks of desperation and
all-out defamation of the original accusing party makes people shut
down. The Turkish side has numerous historians of both foreign
and Turkish extraction whose viewpoint is valuable in offering a
counterpoint to the better-known Armenian narrative. [b]They should be
relied on more heavily without the invective nonsense about Armenians
being arch [size="3"]Nazis[/size] and being hateful to the core[/b], and Pinocchio must
go to the scrap heap of shallow argumentation. It is very possible to
win American hearts and minds on this issue. [b]When my Turkish friends[/b]
ask me the question "who remembers the Ottoman Muslims," I entirely
empathize. But those dead Ottoman Muslims' memories are not being
enhanced nor elevated in the Western conscious by the intellectually
disorganized and shrill lobbying campaign currently being run against
the Armenian allegations.

Justin Paul is a JD Candidate at the William Mitchell College of Law
in Saint Paul, Minnesota.
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Copyright 2007, Turkish Daily News.

Edited April 4, 2008 by Arpa
please use cod tag wan posting such material

[vava]

Justin Paul is a JD Candidate at the William Mitchell College of Law

in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

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Copyright 2007, Turkish Daily News.[/i]

 

 

Who is this guy? Some cursory google-searching yielded only results quote in Turkish sources... Is he a figment of the Turkish Daily News?

[DominO123]

Who is this guy? Some cursory google-searching yielded only results quote in Turkish sources... Is he a figment of the Turkish Daily News?

 

Probably another donkeyshot married to a Turk on his battle hourse (donkey). The student directory of the college require a password to check.

[DominO123]

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=97582

[Arpa]

Thank you MosJan for editing my entry above.

Yet it does obscure my the highlights which was to bring to our attention that tose idiots are getting advice from other “idiots” to stop using idiotic cliches like asala, khojali, Dashnak, Nazi etc. It is obvious what he is referring to, he is referring to that clown of “tall tales”, who by using such terms is losing the battle and opening themselves to ridicule and laughter. This is not any different from when erdokakan declared to not use the “G” word under any condition, be it n quotations, modified as “alleged“ etc.

We should only be more vigilant and observant as they change and modify their language. Maybe we ca learn a lesson and hange and modify our “language”, like reacting to such nonsense as “Armenians collaborated with the enemy (Rusians), and concentrate on the fact that we lived on our ancestral lands for thousands of yer before the world had even herd of the furk, and unlike some other peoples’ claim to fame of “extermination” we were massacred on OUR OWN ANCESTRAL LANDS, not some thousand miles away from the so called “pomised land”.

My message above is- Be prepared to counter a “new and improved language of propaganda”, a language that only those eucated in western universities, unlike those in “madrassas” in furkland trained and condiotioned like Pavov'e dog can speak.

The author above knows well and relizes that we have the upper hand with truth being on our side is advising his masters to stop manufacturing psudo-history and losing the war of words in the process. We should also learn a lesson and stop shooting from the hip so to speak, and stick to our guns, THE TRUTH.

 

[vava]

Probably another donkeyshot married to a Turk on his battle hourse (donkey). The student directory of the college require a password to check.

 

That's my point, apart from being a student at the William Mitchell College of Law, and writing for the TDN, why is he significant? Has he published other materials? Has he made other contributions? What's his academic/political background?

[Armenak]

Justin Paul used to post on some Turkish and Armenian groups on Facebook. He didn't strike me as pro-anything, he was critical of both Turks and Armenians.

[Armenak]

“Armenians collaborated with the enemy (Rusians)

That nonsense about a revolt, an insurgency, or Armenians conspiring with Russians doesn't cut it. The genocide of the Herero was the result of a rebellion.

[Arpa]

Thank you MosJan for editing my entry above.

Yet it does obscure my the highlights which was to bring to our attention that those idiots are getting advice from other “idiots” to stop using idiotic cliches like ASALA, khojali, Dashnak, Nazi etc. It is obvious what he is referring to, he is referring to that clown of “tall tales”, who by using such terms is losing the battle and opening themselves to ridicule and laughter. This is not any different from when erdokakan declared to not use the “G” word under any condition, be it n quotations, modified as “alleged“ etc.

We should only be more vigilant and observant as they change and modify their language. Maybe we ca learn a lesson and change and modify our “language”, like reacting to such nonsense as “Armenians collaborated with the enemy (Rusians), and concentrate on the fact that we lived on our ancestral lands for thousands of years before the world had even herd of the furk, and unlike some other peoples’ claim to fame of “extermination” we were massacred on OUR OWN ANCESTRAL LANDS, not some thousand miles away from the so called “pomised land”.

My message above is- Be prepared to counter a “new and improved language of propaganda”, a language that only those eucated in western universities, unlike those in “madrassas” in furkland trained and condiotioned like Pavlov'e dog can speak.

The author above knows well and realizes that we have the upper hand with truth being on our side is advising his masters to stop manufacturing pseudo-history and losing the war of words in the process. We should also learn a lesson and stop shooting from the hip so to speak, and stick to our guns, THE TRUTH.

I have stated on numerous occasions to please stop the knee jerk reaction to provocations when they use terme like ASALA, Dashnak etc. It is a new ploy to divide us between supportr of Asala and Dashnaks against who don't. They are manipulating history when they accuse us of collaborating with the "enemy" (When was that?) and terrorism against furkish diplamts in the 1970s and 80s. Was that before or after 1915? Armenians were killed as a result of "war"? Which war? Which war did the "state of Armernia???" participate in? The only war the "state?" of Armenia participated in was when tye Sasuntsi David Division of the Soviet army was the first to enter Berlin (remember? an "ally" of furkey) and danced the Kochari. How many years after 1876, 1895, 1909 and 1915 was that? Not to forget that when the likes of Ruben Sevak Varuzhan and Siamanto wrote about the massacres it was so many years before 1915. The G started in year 1000 AD when those dogs first laid their paws in our lands. Yet, sadly enough we did not know to tell the difference between the paw of a wolf and the wing of a dove, when we naivley allied with those dogs to counter those other Byzantian dogs..

Take a lesson from Katia...Stop being sucked in senseless arguments of dates, places, and semantics like "Was it a G or not"? What is the difference when 80 % of our nation was murdered?

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Aztag, Lebanon

April 24 2008

Katia Peltekian Lectures at Haigazian University on Day of Armenian Genocide

Beirut: On April 23, 2008, the Armenian Heritage Club at Haigazian

University organized a special event to commemorate the 93rd

anniversary of the Armenian Genocide.

The University Auditorium was packed with hundreds of guests, faculty

members and students most of whom wore a special T-shirt on which was

written `We Demand Retribution'

After the opening words by a member of the student club, the audience

stood one minute in silence to pay their respect to the 1.5 million

Armenians who were massacred in Ottoman Turkey. The President of

Haigazian University, Rev. Paul Haydostian delivered his sermon on the

occasion highlighting the meaning of April 24 to not only Armenians

but also to the international community.

The guest speaker of the event was Miss Katia Peltekian, who

demonstrated that many Armenians themselves have the misconception

that the Genocide started on April 24, 1915. She explained why this

was not true, and why it was wrong to say that this year was the 93rdanniversary of the Genocide.

The main point of her demonstration was

to counter the Turkish logic which claimed thousands of Armenians, as

well as Turks, were killed because of the Great War.

Through power point, she demonstrated headlines from American, British

and Canadian newspapers that depicted sporadic massacres of the

Armenian population, sometimes in thousands, in various districts in

Ottoman Turkey; sometimes whole villages were wiped out of their

Christian population. The oldest newspaper clip she showed was from

1876 which implied there were massacres even 40 years before 1915.

 

Headline after headline, year after year, papers like the Washington

Post, Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Chicago Daily Tribune,

Montreal Gazette, Toronto Star, The Times of London, The Guardian,

among others, printed stories of massacres that took place in the

Armenian districts. Long before the Great War, foreign correspondents,

missionaries, diplomats and travelers ` not Armenians - reported the

on going massacres of hundreds of thousands of Armenians. Headlines

from the 1890s and 1900-1914 and even those after the Great War ended

only prove that Armenians were killed not only during wartime but also

during peace, that it was not only the Young Turks but also the Sultan

and even the Nationalist leader Mustapha Kemal, the founder of modern

day Turkey, who had committed massacres.

The lecture also included quotes from foreign diplomats, who had

witnessed the massacres, and confessions by Turkish authorities.

Rev. Haydostian led the audience out to the University grounds where

they lit candles and placed them around a replica of Dzidzernagapert

that was placed at the entrance of the main campus.

Edited May 7, 2008 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

BODY OF EXECUTED ASALA MEMBER TAKEN FROM TURKEY TO FRANCE AFTER 33 YEARS

Hurriyet Daily News, Turkey
Jan 7 2016

Rifat BaÅ~_aran - ANKARA

The body of Levon Ekmekjian, a member of the Armenian Secret Army for
the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) who was executed in Turkey in 1983,
has been taken to France following an appeal from his family.

The family, saying it wanted to take Ekmekjian's body and perform its
own religious funeral rites in France, had appealed to the Turkish
Interior Ministry through its lawyer, Eren Keskin. His grave was
subsequently identified in the Cebeci Cemetery in the Turkish capital
Ankara, and the ministry's approval was granted in late December 2015.

The grave was opened last week and Ekmekjian's body was sent to France
on a plane.

Ekmekjian was one of two ASALA members who attacked Ankara's
Esenboga Airport with bombs and gunfire in August 1982. Nine people
and Ekmekjian's accomplice, Zahrab Sarkisyan, were killed while a
24-year-old Lebanese citizen of Armenian origin survived.

Ekmekjian was sentenced to death by Turkey's military regime in
September 1982 and was executed in January 1983 in Ankara's Ulucanlar
Prison.

ASALA carried out an armed campaign starting in the 1970s against
Turkish targets across the world, in a bid "to compel the Turkish
government to acknowledge publicly its responsibility for the Armenian
genocide in 1915, pay reparations, and cede territory for an Armenian
homeland."

January/07/2016

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/body-of-executed-asala-member-taken-from-turkey-to-france-after-33-years.aspx?pageID=238&nID=93515&NewsCatID=351