hyebruin Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 does anyone know if these two (yaman & aman) have the same origin? and also where they come from and how their definitions have changed AND what exactly they mean today?--by 'yaman' i am referring to the adjective use of this word....and by 'aman' i am referring to the exclamatory remark (something like the english 'alas') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 ... and why do people sometimes say "aman chaman". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Neither of them is an armenian word. "Aman" is turkish and means "Enough" or something when you are pissed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Why would anyone in their right mind use such filthy guttural doggish words? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Why would anyone in their right mind use such filthy guttural doggish words?Ever heard of ... aman tello .... tello jan teeeeeeeehlo It's got a nice ring to it. I've sang that song many times while working on the car, cooking, or shopping or something... but most often when I'm washing the dishes for some reason. Usually it's in the form of repeating that same line over and over with different pauses and tones at different places. Edit... ok I'll confess ... usually I sing it as "aman hello" (every time I pick up a new dish to clean) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Ever heard of ... aman tello .... tello jan teeeeeeeehlo It's got a nice ring to it. I've sang that song many times while working on the car, cooking, or shopping or something... but most often when I'm washing the dishes for some reason. Usually it's in the form of repeating that same line over and over with different pauses and tones at different places. Edit... ok I'll confess ... usually I sing it as "aman hello" (every time I pick up a new dish to clean) Not really The only time I heard that animalistic word is in "aman astvats im" context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 Why would anyone in their right mind use such filthy guttural doggish words? Gutural ? Aman ? How ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 ... and why do people sometimes say "aman chaman".Yeah Sip-Meapahn.When is the last time you said Aghchik-Maghchik?Yaman-chaman is no different. It is just a silly rhyme.Maybe not. However, both "aman" yaman are Turkish. Read on.I had written about this some time ago when we were talking about "Yaman Yar". Shall we sing it? Sarer@ kanach khotov yaman yar. Sirt@s lqn e karotov, yaman yar. Yar@s indznits bez arats, yaman yar. Tun k@ga handi hotov, yaman yar......That time we also talked about the town in the Nor Bayazit region now known as Adiyaman. In Turkish "ad" means "name", and "yaman" means "awful". At one timw, during Armenian days the town was known as Got. The Turks did not like that name because of obvious reasons, because in their stupid language the latter means, well, Gamavorig told us why. So they changed the to Adiyaman to mean the "name is awful". The above is from Ajarian-Majarian.According to my little dictionary aman means mercy as in pity, and pardon, as in "pardon me!" and "for goodness sake". In fact aman is from the Arabic and it is based on aman/iman, trust, faith. It is commonly used in words like "amanat", trust. When something is lent it is called amanat.As to "yaman", besides the above meaning of awful the same dictionary says it means "strong/violent". It is used in that sense when they decribe hot pepper as being "yaman". So, Sip-Meapahn, maybe "yaman chaman" has a meaning after all, besides being a silly childish rhyme.Also sometimes "aman" may be used as an expression of exasperation as in "aman off"!!!If I were to say they are both Turkish I'm sure some will argue, so let me be the first to argue. Who can say that the Turks did not learn them from us? Now, yaman yar, if you don't believe this it will be your turn to wash the amans. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 Not to forget that the origin of "yar" is a matter of debate too.As proof to that neither Ajarian not Sukiasian even mention the word.Before passing judgement I checked in the Turkish dictionary and it defined "yar" as gorge, ravine. Then I checked my Pers-Eng one and sure enough this is waht it says. Yar=friend, companion, partner, aide, mate.... sweetheart. Oh, Sip, as to "aman-chaman" may be we can sing another song. How about ; "Khorotik morotik, khorotik morotik im yarn e mek hatik e khumar e" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Why would anyone in their right mind use such filthy guttural doggish words? Did I hear a Teuton say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vayri7X Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 I've heard said " aman!" as a type of exclamation pronounced by Armenians ( my father and musician uncle) , Rromanis and Arabs. I 've always thought it was like " d3#$MN!!" or " MERCY!!" due to the contexts, and as a kid, said it when exasperated along with other strings of unmentionables . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khazar Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Pachik-Machik, Sip-Meapahn... Does anyone know about adding the rhyming word beginning with "M"? Jews add "schm"... What about "m"? I always thought it was uniquely Armenian, but someone told me no, other Caucasians say it as well. Anyone ever seen Russian movie "Mimino" where one of the characters says "tantsurki-mantsurki"? And on kavkazweb.com, there was a young man lamenting his poor dating skills, saying, "I don't know what these girls want from me!! Maybe they want to go to the museum, or other such "kultur-multur". Does anyone outside of the Caucasus do this? Turkey? Iran? Anyone know? Or is it just one of those things with no answer, and who cares anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.