Teutonic Knight Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 How many of you call Armenia "Hayastan"?Do Greeks say Hellastan? Do Georgians say Sakartsan?No it's Hellas and Sakartvelo.Stan is land in Persian. Why use a foreign name for your homeland?Armenia in Armenian is Hayq, like Georgia is Virq and if i'm not mistaken Greece would be Hellada.Is Armenia still a khanate or a caliphate? Does ROA have language reform policies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Yah, but it sure as hell beats having a country named after a bird that gets stuffed through the rear on Thanksgiving every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Yah, but it sure as hell beats having a country named after a bird that gets stuffed through the rear on Thanksgiving every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 1, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Yah, but it sure as hell beats having a country named after a bird that gets stuffed through the rear on Thanksgiving every year lol good one. I actually heard that they tried a couple of years ago to change the name of the animal via lobbying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Not me! I always say Armenia and I use Hayastan v. Haiq only with certain dose of sarcasm. In the same manner I use Romanistan, Bulgaristan, Madjaristan etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 1, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 (edited) Not me! I always say Armenia and I use Hayastan v. Haiq only with certain dose of sarcasm. In the same manner I use Romanistan, Bulgaristan, Madjaristan etc.. Well you're smart.Turks called occupied Hungary Madjaristan as "Land of the Magyars". Armenia is HAYQ!!!! Haiqi Hanrapetutyun Edited October 1, 2003 by Teutonic Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Dude... How long have Armenians and Persians been together? We had the same religion, and were very close culturally. "Stan" isn't just Persian, but has old Indo-European roots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Dude... How long have Armenians and Persians been together? We had the same religion, and were very close culturally. "Stan" isn't just Persian, but has old Indo-European roots. Umm whatever.Why not start speaking Punjabi or Gujerati...they're also Indo-European.Hell why not just adopt Islam and merge with Iran or Afghanistan You know Afghanis also speak an Indo-European langauge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Yah, but it sure as hell beats having a country named after a bird that gets stuffed through the rear on Thanksgiving every year LOL I had a Turkish friend in high school - and I used to rib him mercilessly (and get others too as well)...saying "Every thanksgiving Tunc eats Turkey with a shovel"...(well we thought it was funny...he would get infuriated about it...) LOL. I also used to claim that he was too nice to be a Turk (etc)...and that he must really be Armenian...(even though he had 100% asiatic features)...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Out of five Armenians three think they are sure to be geniuses and two definitely sure are Napaleons! Darn it I am sounding like Ara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 LOL I had a Turkish friend in high school - and I used to rib him mercilessly (and get others too as well)...saying "Every thanksgiving Tunc eats Turkey with a shovel"...(well we thought it was funny...he would get infuriated about it...) LOL. I also used to claim that he was too nice to be a Turk (etc)...and that he must really be Armenian...(even though he had 100% asiatic features)...LOL Haha, that's cruel yet so hilarious.To be honest something like 70% of Anatolian Turks are Caucasoid and not Asiatic/Semitic since they're descendants of Greeks, Slavs, Armenians and Janissaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 "Greeks, Slavs, Armenians and Janissaries": isn´t there an odd element here ? a descendent of Janissaries ? what is this ? like a descnedent from doctors, dentists, police officers or Chinese laundry owners ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 "Greeks, Slavs, Armenians and Janissaries": isn´t there an odd element here ? a descendent of Janissaries ? what is this ? like a descnedent from doctors, dentists, police officers or Chinese laundry owners ? lolYou nuts?Janissaries were Western European children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightOfArmenia Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Umm whatever.Why not start speaking Punjabi or Gujerati...they're also Indo-European.Hell why not just adopt Islam and merge with Iran or Afghanistan You know Afghanis also speak an Indo-European langauge. We share "stan" with the Hindu tongues, as well. They call India "Hindustan." Our language is of a different branch than Greek, and much older than Georgian. That simple. We have a unique language that developed thousands of years ago; the Afghanis are basically ethnic Iranians with a Sunni trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Janissaries were primarily Serbs, Armenians and Bulgarians (probably Greeks too). That was the so called "blood tax". The French and Italians in the Ottoman Army were just mercenaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 We share "stan" with the Hindu tongues, as well. They call India "Hindustan." Our language is of a different branch than Greek, and much older than Georgian. That simple. We have a unique language that developed thousands of years ago; the Afghanis are basically ethnic Iranians with a Sunni trend.Armenian is closer to western European languages than Iranian or Greek lingustically in its pure from. All those monkeystan languages are of the Eastern branch, since the discovery of the connection with Hittite and Phrygian languages it became clear that Armenian is in the Western Branch, the confusion was evident because Armenians didn't bother to remove the Persian corruption embedded in Armenian after years of opression and occupation under Persians. Thank God not much of it is left these days but that's doesn't change the fact that the name of Armenia ignorantly used by Armenians is a FOREIGN designation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Janissaries were primarily Serbs, Armenians and Bulgarians (probably Greeks too). That was the so called "blood tax". The French and Italians in the Ottoman Army were just mercenaries. Any Christian captive converted to Islam that served the Ottomans=janissary. Anything from Armenians to Austrians.They would also take thousands of children from occupied countries and raise as their own, 20,000 Romanians for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Any Christian captive converted to Islam that served the Ottomans=janissary. Anything from Armenians to Austrians.They would also take thousands of children from occupied countries and raise as their own, 20,000 Romanians for example.Any Christian captive, you make it sound like POW. Not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accelerated Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 I read a (very) thick on Balkan history a few years back, and it said that Jannisaries were made up of Balkan christians and had very few Armenians, christian Arabs etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Any Christian captive, you make it sound like POW. Not true.http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/J/Janissar.aspThe Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001. Janissaries (jn´sâr´´z) (KEY) [Turk.,=recruits], elite corps in the service of the Ottoman Empire (Turkey). It was composed of war captives and Christian youths pressed into service; all the recruits were converted to Islam and trained under the strictest discipline. It was originally organized by Sultan Murad I. The Janissaries gained great power in the Ottoman Empire and made and unmade sultans. By 1600, Muslims had begun to enter the corps, largely through bribery, and in the 17th cent. membership in the corps became largely hereditary, while the drafting of Christians gradually ceased. In 1826, Sultan Mahmud II rid himself of the unruly (and by now inefficient) Janissaries by having them massacred in their barracks by his loyal Spahis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted October 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 I read a (very) thick on Balkan history a few years back, and it said that Jannisaries were made up of Balkan christians and had very few Armenians, christian Arabs etc. I don' know about Chirstian "Arabs", more like Assyrians/Chaldeans/Coptics/Nestorians etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghos Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 lolYou nuts?Janissaries were Western European children. No, they weren´t. Poland, Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Greece, Austria are not Western Europe, in any case most Janissaries were not from the far reaches of the empire, this was not how it worked. There is the blood tax mentioned by gamavor and also obviously logisitics considerations. Janissaries were not Gasterbeiters from France, Spain, Germany or Portugal among other Western European countries and they were also not flown in (remember the airplane had not been invented, not even by the Armenians )... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph parikian Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Sip said ( Yah, but it sure as hell beats having a country named after a bird that gets stuffed through the rear on Thanksgiving every year ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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