Sip Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 Psycho, I speak ...Last warning. Please refrain from such "personal observations" or you will leave us moderators no option but to take action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 Are you the Armenian savior, Hilmar Kaiser? Armenians don't need a saviour they did a pretty good job so far, your kind on the other hand are ticking bombs, you will self-destruct eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 Teuton, I entered this earth to a family who had undergone unspeakable horror. My grand-mother was a manic depressive. She had lost so many of her family during the Genocide and her position as well. My parents, as young children had their lives torn to shreds and had to endure being raised in various foreign lands as "SALLE ETRANGERS." My Mom, working in the field of design, and taking into account the remarks of neighbors, Armenian and odar, decided to enter me in child beauty contests. My winnings were in the news and got the attention of some very sick persons in our community, despite this being a very affluent community at the time. From this sprung what I personally endured at the hands of one of the "bulwarks of our society." Teuton, for fifty years I have not self-destructed. Given my present state of health and appearance I have a pretty good chance of living another 50 years. I will be athorn in YOUR side and those of your ilk for a long time. Sorry, I will not let you off the hook so easy. What is at stake is the future of our people and the future of the ROA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 All I can do is laugh at that You have posted like 100 kosher versions of your upbringing.Write a book will ya, and then each year a sequel with different characters and so on.Have you tried standup comedy?I'm done with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 100 Kosher versions???? All that I have related has been a segment of my life. I don't have the time right now to complete the book, but I will eventually, perhaps when I retire and have a lot of free time on my hands. The confusion you find is because you place everything in boxes. All black and white with no grays. If you are truly not Armenian, then you seem to be a Levantine of some sort, not a German as you claim. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a Turk working for the "Institute of Armenian Research." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 If you are truly not Armenian, then you seem to be a Levantine of some sort, not a German as you claim. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a Turk working for the "Institute of Armenian Research." I noticed you accuse everyone of this that doesn't take your garbage.Go back to the asylum you came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 I was raised in an Armenian asylum. My parents and grandmothers were seriously scarred by the Genocide and it's later effects. Raised as an odar outside of the Armenian community, only to enter it in force after I completed college. The Armenian community is one big asylum. What goes on in our community is INSANE. Instead of working in unison, we seperate ourselves by class, party, church factions, segments of Chrisitianity, belief, choice of residence 100% of Armenianess, sexual oriientation, etc. The Turks are all dancing in Ankara every time they see what is going on. It is said that Talaat was once told that a large contingent of Armenians was coming to kill him. He responded to his guards that they should prepare for the sole Armenian who would arrive. The guards re-stated that a large contingent were coming. He replied that by the time they arrived that they would argue and kill each other off except for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Well, in a strange way I agree with you. Exceot the "chnage" you want and pro-Armenians such as myself want are two different things. You want an Armenian society based on the Kemalist model.That's never going to happen.However the Armenia we want is also pretty much impossible from Caspian to the Black to the Med Sea free of any Oriental influence. That is equally impossible I 'm sorry to say, mainly because most Armenians do not have the brain capacity required to understand exactly what constitutes the so-called "oriental" influence in Armenian society. Those who do on the other hand, are absolutely powerless to do anything about it, because the Turco-Arabic influence goes way back, and has been interwoven in present-day Armenian sub-culture. Much like in Greece. Let's face it: It is impossible to reject the present-day predominant Armenian sub-culture and still be able to live a normal life in Armenia or in the Diaspora. The odd individual that would try to point out the above simple facts, is looked upon as a "wacko", and if they persist, they are being treated as a social leper, in other words, complete social isolation. In present-day world of multi-culturalism, and reverence for non-European cultures, any attempt by any Government towards a more Eurocentric education, would be shunned and condemned by the illuminated Anglo-Americans immediately, followed by sanctions, in the manner that they dealt with Serbia. Further, such an attempt for the enlightment of the Armenian population, requires two things: a. A strong government and a State that is able to control all of its limbs and functions. Armenia is unique in Europe, in that it is the sole member state, that LACKS ANY SEMBLANCE OF ORDER, SYSTEM, OR UNITY . Well maybe except Moldova and Georgia  In other words, a completely disorganised state, where chaos prevails.  Armenia is perhaps the closest thing that is in existence today, to the state of Kropotkin and Bakunin, i.e. an Anarchy State. b. A receptive population. The Armenians are anything but receptive really. Further, the percentage of the right wing population is so low, that those who would seek to impose such an agenda, would have to deal with a communist "anti-fascist" revolution before long. The Armenian people is by a far margin, the single most liberal, pro-socialist, pro-communist people in the Europe, even worse than the Italians and the Greeks.  I don't give a fine f...k if the so-and-so Armenian looks like Dolf Ludgren or Nicole Kidman, if they are a Arabo-Turkic lover, or a Commie, or an Anarchist, or a Socialist, by the Holy Communion of God, I would have no compunctions whatsoever to beat them senseless or to a pulp if the situation allows me to. Being Armenian does not mean that one must stick to Armenians only. The only brothers and sisters are those who think alike, and don't care where do they come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 If what you are stating is true, then I must be living in a time warp. My family, who are scattered throughout the world, are all on the right end of the political spectrum. Ditto the family of my ex-wife and the families I knew in my early 20's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Last couple of posts removed by me as part of normal maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 (edited) Being Armenian does not mean that one must stick to Armenians only. The only brothers and sisters are those who think alike, and don't care where do they come from.That means the "only brothers and sisters" come out of an assembly line then. Edited September 22, 2003 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 I don't give a fine f...k if the so-and-so Armenian looks like Dolf Ludgren or Nicole Kidman, if they are a Arabo-Turkic lover, or a Commie, or an Anarchist, or a Socialist, by the Holy Communion of God, I would have no compunctions whatsoever to beat them senseless or to a pulp if the situation allows me to. Beat them? What for? Or rather, who gave you the right to beat them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 (edited) Beat them? What for? Or rather, who gave you the right to beat them?Fine, execution by a firing squad it is! Ironic you chose the name Sasun Edited September 22, 2003 by Teutonic Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Teuton, What you are is becoming increasingly clear!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnoushBabyGirl1 Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 "Your psyche is very similar to the one of the all inclusive Zionists" Zionists are not inclusive, they only bring in the Ethiopian and Russian Jews to Israel as human shields, the state of Israel is a racist ethnoccracy. Sorry, you can't blame this on the Jews.  I don't understand why any German person would come onto an Armenian website to talk about what Armenians are and need to do as a people, wtf. I have less in common with the German cavepeople than I do with Arabs or Jews, sorry. As far as neo-nazis supporting the Armenian cause, that is ridiculous, go onto any 'white nationalist' website and say that Armenians are white and they will tell you you are "biracial." They think that even Italians and Greeks are black, half of them probably don't even know what Armenia is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted November 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Funny! I prefer the "cavemen's" mechanical tools and cars, as well as lifestyle and clothing, and their superb banking system. I have to admit that I would rather have nice Mediterranean meal instead of frozen sausages with white wine and potato salad with strangely tasting mayonnaise, but all of the above are matter of preferences. Geographically we are closer to Arabs and Jews. Other than that I don't feel any particular similarities unless you have been born in the Middle East, or your religious believes are the ones like Armenian Hamshen or someone enlightened you about the self appointed 'chosen' people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnoushBabyGirl1 Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 (edited) "Funny! I prefer the "cavemen's" mechanical tools and cars, as well as lifestyle and clothing, and their superb banking system." Germans and Anglo-Saxons in general have bad taste in clothes, but you're right, they do make nice cars. As far as banking goes, that's something the Jews are very good at too, but I don't notice you giving them props. "I have to admit that I would rather have nice Mediterranean meal instead of frozen sausages with white wine and potato salad with strangely tasting mayonnaise, but all of the above are matter of preferences." They are cultural differences, but if you think that everything has to do with race then they must be racial too. "Other than that I don't feel any particular similarities unless you have been born in the Middle East, or your religious believes are the ones like Armenian Hamshen or someone enlightened you about the self appointed 'chosen' people." No, none of that, I just don't feel any similarities to Germans or Swedes or even the English at all. I don't feel very close to Jews or Arabs either, but I think our cultures have a little bit more in common. Which is not much, but like I said, I don't see any similarities between Armenian and most Northern/Western European cultures. Edited November 26, 2003 by AnoushBabyGirl1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fackit Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 (edited) Leave Teutonic Knight alone, He's and E THUG. Hard on the net. Edited April 6, 2004 by fackit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ata Donme Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 DO YOU KNOW...? That there were 20 emperors of armenian origin Here they are: 1. Morick Oshakanatsi (Mavrikiy) 582-602. 2. Vardan Pikick 711-713. 3. Artavazd - 742-743. 4. Levon (Lion the V) Artsruni - 813-830. 5. Barseg Arsha - kuni (Vasil the I - the founder of armenian Makedonian dinasty) - 867-886. 6. Levon Arshakuni (Lion the VI, philosopher) 886-912. 7. Alexander 912-913. 8. Kons tandin the VII Bagrianorodny 913-959. 9. Romanos Vashtakian (Roman the I) 919-949. Ruled with Konstandin the VII Bagrianororodny). 10. Romanos the II - 959-963. 11. Nikiphor the II Phoka (the Great) - 963-969. 12. Hovanes Chimishk (Ioan Tsimiskhy) 969-976. 13. Vasily the II Bulgaroboyts 976-1025. 14. Konstandin the VIII - 1025-1028. 15. Roman the III 1028-1034. 16. Mikhael Paflagon (Mikhael the IV) - 1034 1041. 17. Mikhael Kalapat (Mikhael the V) - 1041-1042. 18. Konstandin the IX Monomakh - 1042-1054. 19. Teodora the II (Phedora the II) empress - 1054-1056. 20. Mikhael Stratiotik (Mikhael the II) - 1056-1057.  This is a very valuable topic, easily ignored, but so pivotal in the shaping of the European and Middle Eastern future. However I like to verify this list and add one you mislayed... 1. Morick Oshakanatsi (Mavrikiy) 582-602.  Also known as Maurice, he hailed from Cappadocia in central Anatolia. He conducted deportations of Armenians to Thrakia (Bulgaria) jointly with the Persian Shah. The one you mislayed, and perhaps the greatest... Haig. Also known as Heraklios/Heraclius. His aristocratic family had been resettled in the region of Cathage (Tunisia) during the reconquest of north Africa in the reign of Emperor Justinian around 534 AD. He was trully great yet a trully tragic person, learn more here. 2. Vardan Pikick 711-713.  Known also as Phillipikos Bardanes, he came to a bloddy end... 3. Artavazd - 742-743.  Known also as Artabasdes, most noted for his rebellion, 1 year reign as Emperor and restorer of Icons for worship 4. Levon (Lion the V) Artsruni - 813-830.  Known also as Leo, most notable for his Iconoclasm 5. Barseg Arsha - kuni (Vasil the I - the founder of armenian Makedonian dinasty) - 867-886.  Known also as Basilios, he came from the large Armenian diaspora in Thrakia (Bulgaria) he trekked to Contantinople, got employment as a stable boy, then showed of his strength by hurling the wrestling champion across the yard. This event got him into the Imperial Court and his progress was swift. Amoung his feats such as defeting the Bulgar Khanate and the Saracens, he also campaigned against the Paulicians and destroyed their stronghold, Tephrike. Although he hailed from Thrakia, that region, in the process of administrative boundary changes was known as 'Makedonia'. 6. Levon Arshakuni (Lion the VI, philosopher) 886-912.  Known also as Leo VI, there is some doubt as to him being the son of Basil, most likely he was the son of the previous Emperor, Mikhail III, whom Basil had murdered. 7. Alexander 912-913.  Brother of Leo VI, an alcoholic, worshipped pagan statues to cure his impotence. 8. Kons tandin the VII Bagrianorodny 913-959. 9. Romanos Vashtakian (Roman the I) 919-949. Ruled with Konstandin the VII Bagrianororodny).  Son of Theophylaktos the Unbearable (!) he gave the Empire much needed stability, cared for the people, although they did not reurn the adoration. He defeated the Russians and kept the Saracens at bay. 10. Romanos the II - 959-963.  During his reign Crete, then under Saracen rule, was recaptured, as was Cilicia. Aleppo, which had been a base for raids into Anatolia, was captured and sacked. 11. Nikiphor the II Phoka (the Great) - 963-969.  Also known as Nikephorus Phakos, there is much controversy about his Armenian origins. Though his brother was called Bardas, Vartan. He was know as the White Death to the Saracens, and for good reason... 12. Hovanes Chimishk (Ioan Tsimiskhy) 969-976.  Also known as John Tzimisces, a charismatic man, and military genius. He murdered Nikephorus. He defeated the russians, captured eastern Bulgaria, captured Syria and was on the verge of taking Jerusalem. It is said he was poisoned by the rich landowner and Eunuch, Basil Lekapenus, himself Armenian, fearing John would take his pwers from him and give the lands to the peasant soldiers. 13. Vasily the II Bulgaroboyts 976-1025.  Also known as Basil 'bulgaroktonos' (bulgar killer) It was rumoured his father was a European mercenary soldier in the service of the Imperial Court, or more precisely, in the service of his mother... Learn more here 14. Konstandin the VIII - 1025-1028.  The useless hedonist brother of Basil II 15. Roman the III 1028-1034.  Learned but never suited to the job of Emperor, his reign marked the begining of Byzantine military disasters. In general, most of the suceeding emperors may well have had Armenian blood in them, but they would have considerd themselves as 'Romans' and would not have thought twice about campaigning against Armenians either in the homeland or in Cilicia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 In general, most of the suceeding emperors may well have had Armenian blood in them, but they would have considerd themselves as 'Romans' and would not have thought twice about campaigning against Armenians either in the homeland or in Cilicia. In general you are right. It is not 'may well have', but it is a historical fact that all of them were Armenians by origin. I never claimed that they were something else. They considered themselves Romans, because they were emperors of the Eastern Roman empire. Likewise, the Parthians that held the Armenian throne, considered themselves Armenians. Byzantium practically was as much as Greek as it was Armenian, however the Greeks had the leading role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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