Arpa Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Paper/Letter to Sandukht. Thughth means paper. At times simply "letter" as in Zarukian's Thughth ar Yerevan, Letter to Yerevan.Many words are based on it as thghthadram, paper money, thghthakits, correspondent, pen pal, thghthatar, letter carrier, mailman. There is no definite word about the source, some think it may have evolved from "takhtak", (wood)plate, or better yet, tablet as in stone tablet, like the ones the Ten Commandments wre written on. It kind of makes sense as in the past letters were written on stone or clay tablets. Sandukht was the daughter of Sanadruk who was martyred (by her father)with her guru St. Thaddeus. Not much more is said about her. Someone familiar with church history may enlighten us. QUOTE (nairi @ Aug 31 2003, 05:27 PM) While we're at it How about -dukht for female names? Chosrovandukht, Haykandukht, Sandukht. They're hardly used anymore.Harut wrote; i think (not sure) it's from Persian 'dukhtar' to mean 'dustr' (in Arm) / doughter (in Eng). -------------------- BA?!?! --------- nairi Posted: Sep 3 2003, 11:31 AM I wouldn't be surprised if you were right Harut, however, you are breaking our nationalistic feelings here. We, Armenians, are supposed to have influenced the world, remember? Yes Nairi "dukht" means daughter just as in the Persian "dukhtar", English "daughter", German "dochter" etc.Surprise! Surprise!The mother of all those seems to be native Armenian from the ProtoIndoEuropean root od "dhughtr/dhughdr". As long as we are talking about native Armenian words we'll mention another word that is attributed to Persian since it is common to both languages. Bzhishk (Arm)/bezheski(Pers). It is also a native Armenian word that they borrowed from us. We have many words based on it, as "buzhel/bzhshkel" to heal, to cure. I don't know if the Persians have words/verbs based on it. The other IE speakers borrowed it from us and it appears as "physician" in English and similar words in other languages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 The mother of all those seems to be native Armenian from the ProtoIndoEuropean root od "dhughtr/dhughdr". Arpa, can you elaborate? I'm interested. Meanwhile, here's another one to think about : -azn -- son or descendant of, as in Haykazn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted September 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 The mother of all those seems to be native Armenian from the ProtoIndoEuropean root od "dhughtr/dhughdr". Arpa, can you elaborate? I'm interested. Meanwhile, here's another one to think about : -azn -- son or descendant of, as in Haykazn.What that means is, when all sources are exhausted and it cannot be determined as who used the word first, what is the earliest date of usage, it is attributed to ProtoIndoEuropean (hndevropakan nakhalezou). Some even dare say that PIE is in fact none other than Armenian. Harut look what I found. It may not be complete, yet;http://www.linguistlist.org/~ask-ling/arch...1/msg00383.html As to -azn, as in Haykazn, Haykazoun, dyutsazn etc. There are two entries, AZG and AZN. Even if Ajarian presents them as separate he may have overlooked the fact that he ascribes them both to "branch/jyugh", hence genealogy. However each of the above have taken a particular direction where AZG means nation, dynasty, heritage, AZN has been used more to mean ancestry. BTW Azniv means noble, i.e. of aristocratic heritage.Dyutsazn is also interesting as you can see it mean "descended of gods", even if we use it to mean brave and "epic" as in "dyutsazn-erg". Did we say that the root word "dzin" is akin to "gen" as genus/genealogy from where "dznund/birth" and "aznvadzin/noble birth" comes. I think we did say this before in "Dznund", but nevertheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted September 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Proto Indo European, aks PIE. This is all new to me too.Very interesting.Note where it alleges that the origin of PIE may as well be Armenia. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted September 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Oh! WOW! Look what I did. I will repost that site under another topic in another location so we can address the issues raised . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 What that means is, when all sources are exhausted and it cannot be determined as who used the word first, what is the earliest date of usage, it is attributed to ProtoIndoEuropean (hndevropakan nakhalezou). Some even dare say that PIE is in fact none other than Armenian. Actually I meant your claim that "dukht" and its variations are spread directly from Armenian. I guess if PIE is Armenian, then it makes sense. I'll look into the links in shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Nairi and Arpa - you both fascinate me. I love linguists (or quasi-linguists, armchair linguists, linguistic hobbyists etc. as they may be) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iran01 Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 (edited) Bzhishk (Arm)/bezheski(Pers). It is also a native Armenian word that they borrowed from us. We have many words based on it, as "buzhel/bzhshkel" to heal, to cure. I don't know if the Persians have words/verbs based on it. Pezeshk in modern Persian means doctor. ( old pronounciation "bejeshk").I do not think many Persian words are related to it. Anyway a linguist know it better. Edited September 6, 2003 by Iran01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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