DominO123 Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 (edited) OK! Lets put it that way. Imagine that the truth, the "origine" of all those Universes, etc... is one Universal law... and everything is derived from it. This law, as humans, we can interprate it, and comes up with laws, the reason why we can not understand and find this truth, is because we are limited by the selectivity effect of us being humans, all limited as well with our 5 senses. So, what happens is that, this pure truth, is everywhere, and that as a human, we just detect parts of it. What is the Universe of yours, is what your brain has made of the part it has detected, what part it took, what parts it has excluded. Lets give an example, lets talk about imagination, imagination has no limit, an artist will produce a painting, or a scenario for a film, this artist, does not bring something from him, he does not bring something absolutly new... what he has just done, is that his brain has just taken one true and real possibility, that exist, and he made of it something. So, what I say can not be contradicted, by the reality of the fact that if you think that there is one Universe, then, it should be a Universe that admits one Universe... because the word Universe itself is subjectif, relative, like I said previously, this multyuniverse, its consequences you could interprate it as the consequences of the fact that the Universe could be multilayered, and that there is only one Universe. When I refer to the Universe, I refer to my, your and everyone else Universe, that is the product of the vibration of this truth, in yourself, myself etc... this is what produces your Universe... the Universe is just the product of the interpretation of the Truth, this Universal law. There is at least, as much Universe as there is conscient form of life on Earth, in fact, there is infinit. Life is just a "capacity" to do something, with a part of this "Truth." We are only thinking, the Universes are only the product of Thinking... This is the conclusion I came up with. I will explain now, why I do not believe to the existance of the soul. Imagine that(I have quickly refered to that last time), from the superstring theory, everything is a product of a vibration, a string, like electrons etc... its just a kind of vibration of what(I think the notion of eather will be again reconsidered soon, with those new theories)? An eather? Now, that would mean, that we are empty, we are just a kind of ampty vaccum, what makes us, is vibrations, strings etc... Consciencenous, in its turn, is the consequences of those connections of the brain, a perfect connection that makes you, "Sasun." But what is really your body? You are empty, nothing, your consciencenous is the vibration of a vibration. You already are your soul, because you are composed of pratically nothing, NADA! When you think, in your brain, 99.99999999999... % is just free space, a vacuum, but still YOU THINK, now, from nothingless, there is quantum bubble creating, so that would mean, that in this free space, there is exotic particules, or whatever that we can even not detect, forming... since they come from nothing, the slightest little influence on that empty space, would influence it, because the only thing there is, that takes that space, is not matter, because matter does not really exist, just string, vibration, the only thing that exist in this empty space, is your thinking, your consciencenous. What would that mean? That would mean, that the only thing that could influence a quantum bubble, is thinking, consciencenous... and for sure, there is something influencing it, because if nothing could influence it, all quantum bubbles would be identical, and our Comos would just face others every second as we speak, since they will all pupup and be made of the same matters etc...(I will not developpe this point right now). So, when you think, your thinking influence the space that your consciencenous take, in fact, your thinking could be the only thing that could influence it, beside others thinking and consciencenous, because matter does not really exist, therefore could not influence. What does that mean? It means, that we are better without a soul, because our lifetime has influences and has created Universes, bunch of them, and has drawn the path, for many other Universes in billions of years from now, that will creat the same connections as the one you have, that will make you Sasun... but billions of years, is nothing... time is not existant, virtual, and even if we consider this virtual time, this virtual time itself is as well relative... Those billions of years from now, has a direct influence with the present and the past, not only does the past find itself modified from the future, but the present as well. When you think of a decesed one, your brain...( I'll let you suppose what that may mean). So now, do you better understand what I mean? Edited August 13, 2003 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 According to your belief, thoughts and consciousness are quantum states. On the other hand, according to the superstring theory, all of physical world is a vacuum consisting of quantum states. Hence, you conclude, the products of brain (thoughts, imagination, dreams, perceptions, etc.) are also physical things because just like the universe they are also quantum states in a vacuum. Am I understanding you correctly? Tell me and I will continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 (edited) According to your belief, thoughts and consciousness are quantum states. On the other hand, according to the superstring theory, all of physical world is a vacuum consisting of quantum states. Hence, you conclude, the products of brain (thoughts, imagination, dreams, perceptions, etc.) are also physical things because just like the universe they are also quantum states in a vacuum. Am I understanding you correctly? Tell me and I will continue There is a mistake here, according to the superstring, quantum states are a product of super strings, they orginate from the superstring, not the other way. And, as well, thoughts brings quantum states, and quantum states as results produce thoughts, both are dependent to eachothers. Ah and, the physical world does not exist, it is just consisting of strings in a vaccum world... so we are already "souls" There is another thing I forgot to say on the other post. New studies shows that those that believe in supernatural powers, or other stuff like that, compared to those that believe in nothing, have more dopamines in their brains. Some skeptics(so-called skeptics, because those skeptic organizations are not true skeptics, the skeptic is he who dought, not deny everything that we would dought) claims that this is an evidences that those that have beliefs have some sort of overdose of a brain chimical, or are somehow ill. On the other hand, in those same tests, those having higher dopmaine production in their brains were able to see paterns in pictures, that were there, contrary to those that have few dopmanie that have missed those paterns. You may ask, what the hell this has do do with what I bring. It has a lot to do with it. What makes those that have higher dopamines to believe those things, is just that the composition of dopmaine, makes us detect a reality, which those that have few don't detect, or better they detect another reality. This is what our brain is, it is more like a TV set, where the source, the cable is connected to the Universal Law... the Universal law has infinit numbers of channels, and our Universe, just happens to be those channels that the TV set is able to take, those others, it just does not take them... and when chanels are played on the TV set, consciencenous happens. It is funny, because more and more I think of those things, and more and more I start to believe that we are neither mortals, neither immortals, we are eternel reduced in a timeline. We are just thoughts, our thoughts just affect those quantum bubbles, and creat whole new Universes. Edited August 14, 2003 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 oh brother. I better not read this stuff before going to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 oh brother. I better not read this stuff before going to bed. Hey! But if you don't read those kind of stuff before going to bed, when are you going to read them? I mean, before bed should be the best time to read those kind of things... you may even have a bonus from your subcinscient, and dream of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 No, 'cause you see, when I read this kind of material before going to bed - I end up NOT going to bed, and then I get very tired. All because of you and Sasun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 (edited) No, 'cause you see, when I read this kind of material before going to bed - I end up NOT going to bed, and then I get very tired. All because of you and Sasun.You see Sasun, here an example of thinkings(of both of us) creating a new universe, a universe where Vava can not sleep. Edited August 14, 2003 by Fadix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Vava jan, don't blame me I blindly fell into Domino's trap (or universe?) by following his nonsense that causes headache. I also lost my sleep and lot's of valuable time. You Domino guy, its time to roast you again. It's been a while since you are let go around without being roasted. I guess because its August and time for vacation. But enough is enough, you had enough vacation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 There is a mistake here, according to the superstring, quantum states are a product of super strings, they orginate from the superstring, not the other way. Where exactly is my mistake? Did I say anything about the superstring created by quantum states? And, as well, thoughts brings quantum states, and quantum states as results produce thoughts, both are dependent to eachothers. This is only your belief for this week. Next week you will say something else This is what our brain is, it is more like a TV set, where the source, the cable is connected to the Universal Law... the Universal law has infinit numbers of channels, and our Universe, just happens to be those channels that the TV set is able to take, those others, it just does not take them... and when chanels are played on the TV set, consciencenous happens. Maybe your brain is like a TV, but not mine I wonder what would happen if we disconnect that cable from your brain. Maybe you will give us a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 You supposed that I meant that superstrings are caused from quantum states(this is what I understood from what you wrote), this was the mistake. As for next week I will find something new... I have this belief for months now, and I believe I will keep it for long, because it is the thing that has the most sense I ever found. Just thing about that, if we are just vaccums, the every thing that would be contained in the space I take, is my thoughts, my consciencenous, nothing more. So, since it is the only thing, therefore, it is the only thing that could influence quantum bubbles... my consciencenous influence quantum bubbles, and creat a universe. ------ My brain, and your brain, and everyone else brain is like a TV set, I am surprised that you don't agree with that, because everyone believing in the soul, that I have read, compare the brain like a TV set, and the soul as the source chanel. While, the thing I've done, is to replace the soul as the source chanel, as the ultimate truth, THE LAW, and our limit, being our brain, that can only take few chanels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Read the memoirs of the late Robert Monroe, Virginia-based television executive, and it will confirm some of what Domino is conveying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Read the memoirs of the late Robert Monroe, Virginia-based television executive, and it will confirm some of what Domino is conveying. What? That our brains are like television sets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 His experiences had little to do with his professional career. He relates his experiences of being connected to the "brain cable" of the universe. His first experience occured rather innocently, but he developed it into a permanent "cable hookup." He became a free traveller in space and time, even meeting up with his dead father in another dimension. Very interesting reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 I believe that science and religion/spirituality are totally different domains. Soul belongs to the religion domain, so there is no point in looking for the soul or deny its existance scientifically. Because a priori soul doesn't belong to the science domain. For this reason I am skeptical to scientific views of everything spiritual, although it is interesting how scientists (and Domino ) look at that. As for Domino's views, first one needs to understand them then evaluate. Domino is doing a poor job in explaining. When I ask him a question he confuses me instead of clarifying So I still don't know what exactly Domino says. Therefore, it is better to roast Domino than try to understand his multi-universe theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Sasun, science is observation, spirtuality is its understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Sasun, science is observation, spirtuality is its understanding. If I didn't have a GREAT signature already, I would use this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 I have many of those... Another one. The goal of man is to achieve the truth, and his way to do that, is to approch it, more and more. Explanation of that would be, since it is impossible to achieve truth, the only way we may try to achieve it, is to approch it each time a little by little. So, we fix this impossibility as our goal, ignoring it is impossible to achieve it, and we approch to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Vava's Law: Everything takes longer than you expect, even if you account for Vava's Law. Obviously you haven't seen me debone an entire chicken with my teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 Obviously you haven't seen me debone an entire chicken with my teeth. Yes but it applies to almost everything else. So then I suppose its a theorum, and not a law per se... but then all of this is But vava's law could also apply to death for some i suppose <-- my lame attempt at bringing the conversation back to the topic of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Well, if you want to take this back to topic, I know full well what happens to the chicken after it's dead. It usually involves seasoning, lemon, peper, garlic, and lot of heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 BTW Sasun check that out, it may interest you. http://www.enformy.com/Gary-reHymanReview.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Domino, at some point I was interested in this type of things. But there is a lot of fraud, and there is no way to know who lies and who doesn't. I am not saying that the research mentioned in the link is fraud, but many mediums like to abuse the superstitious and make money. Besides, I don't feel very enthusiastic talking to dead people. Those were ordinary people, only now they are dead, I could as well communicate with living people.Also, there is another thing: these mediums could be good and bad as well. They could lie, deceive, abuse people, etc. I would not trust them much.By the way, do you know about Edgar Cacey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 LOL Sasun, I have not said that I was into those things, I have heard of Cacey, but nothing more, how I came to this site, was from other stuff, I am a lot into homeopathy, which I am a firm believer of, and found out that a skeptics organization headed by a magician, James Randi, tried to reproduce Bienvenues experience of the memory of water, to discredit homeopathy, and from those I came to the Hymans article, and from it to this link, which I found interesting, not more about the subject of deaths, but rather, about this experiment, and the methodological problems when dealing with such subjects. Ah and, a new study with photoluminecence suggest in fact that water, and other molecules may have a memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Every felt glad at a funeral that you are not dead? I have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Every felt glad at a funeral that you are not dead? I have I hate funerals. They are so stupid. The next funeral I'm going to go to will be my own. Just bury the dead and get it over with. What's with the loooooooooooooong ass ceremony and all the halleluya halleluyas? Wedding ceremony I understand ... as a groom, you want to delay the inevitable as much as possible. But with a funeral, don't you want to bury and get things over as soon as possible? It's like you get a bunch of people in one place, and even those who are not depressed start to get so down because of all these depressed people around ... then all of a sudden one of them starts crying and gna galis em .... they all start with the wining and crying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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