Arpa Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 As stated on many occasions, as a rule I don't dabble in the Genocide issue. I's rather let the evidence speak for itself. But I feel this had to be said as we will see more and more of the likes of the "Knight" and his flunkies. In a previous item I pleaded with our brothers and sisters to no respond to the trash that is presented here under the guise of debate. For over eighty years Turks and Turkey all but ignored and dismissed any and all of our debates about the Genocide. Any reference, if at all to the events of 1915 and beyond was cynically and shemelessly referred and summarily dismissed as "alleged/so called" etc. Turkey did realize that they had failed in their original plan of totally and completely exterminating the Armenian nation, even by their last ditch attempt at Sardarapat, were smug in their positions that what they could accomplish in time, pretty soon there would be no one left to remember, and sovietization (loss of Armenian identity)would totally and once and for all the issue would be forever forgotten. They were almost successful, there virtually was no Armenian nation or an Armenian state(they know that only a sovereign nation/state can sue). Given another decade or two of sovietization would have done the job. They did not have to even move a finger except ridiculing us and playing with our emotions. Every plea and attempt of rapprochemnt was cynically ignored and rebuffed. We tried every trick we could think of, we suggested that we not use "Turkey" when referring to the Genocide, that we would use the term "The Ottoman Empire", they ridiculed that too to only in so doing they professed to be the heir to the Empire and guily if only by association. Why all of a sudden now they are so sensitive to the issue? Why are they putting together institutes to research the Genocide? Why are so called historians/revisionists are coming out of the woodwork? Why are they passing laws to teach "Genocde denial" in their schools?As I mentioned before; They are shaking in their shalvars, they are scared to death that of all the times now our voice is being heard. To make it short, we know how this is happening and why. And now they are adopting new tactics. They are sending their agents to disrupt our forums and sow seeds of suspicion and doubt, they are trying to engage us, the common folk, not the historians and experts, so they can cinfuse us, enrage us, make us say unsavory things and falter in our debates so they can show the world how savage and unrepenting we are. To show the world that not only we betrayed the "empire" and now we are insulting and threatening them. Why this all of a sudden? Why were they so quiet about the issue all these years and now this barrage?Do not respond to them, do not encourage them, do not lend credibility to their pseudo intellectual and pseudo historical concoctions, that is exactly where they wnat us, at the defensive. We shlould be at the offenive and scare the devil out of them. We will not reinvent the wheel. The Genocide is a FACT, evidence can be found in every library and depository all over the world from Timbuktu to Kamchatka. Maybe they should go to Timbuktu or Kamchatka see if they will be welcome since that "kitchen" aka Anatolia is getting too hot for them. Below two such reasons. To see the full texts go to Groong or your favorite source of Armenian news. AN ARMENIAN IN GEORGE BUSH'S TEAM.A prominent American diplomat of Armenian origins, Eduard Jerejyanassumed his new duties. Recently President G. Bush appointed him theChairman of the Commission on issues of public diplomacy and programsconcerning the Arabian and Islamic world. It is evident that the newbody to consult the administration will have influence over the foreignpolicy of Washington. This appointment has caused the indignation ofthe official Baku. The reason is the ethnical origins of the diplomat============WARSAW: A different Turkey and a different Armenia DW: Ashot, and how do you see this? AH: For us the genocide is a given fact; we do not discuss it. Ofcourse the very term itself is of later origin: it was created by thePolish Jewish lawyer Rafal Lemkin for the UN convention on genocideof 1948. But in his memories he states that one of the main eventshe had in mind when coining this phrase was what had happened inTurkey to the Armenians. Komitas' monument was unveiled on the 24of April because on that day, in 1915, about six hundred Armenianintellectuals: members of the Ottoman parliament, writers, composers,clergymen, were arrested by Ottoman authorities in Istanbul, and thenthe majority were killed. This is the connection between Komitas,the date and the genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikephoros_Phokas Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 It is important to note that Turkey is not a country in the normal sense but more of a military that controls a given national boundary and in some mountain ranges it does not even have control in this national boundary due to various guerilla groups the biggest of which is KADEK. This is important to note for anyone expecting Turkey to recognize any of its crimes. The country is controlled by a omnipresent military that censors radio with the RTUK, it controls a vast portion of the Turkish economy with the OYAK organization, it controls national affairs with the national security council, etc. The military in Turkey is everywhere, and pictures of the soldier that founded the country named Ataturk are everywhere as well. So how to defend such a fascist country best? Offence, offence, offence. When France's parliament recognized the Armenian genocide, should this military that runs a country accept France's position or attack France in the Turkish press for its role in Algeria? Offence. Should Turkey wait till Cyprus becomes independent or part of Greece and can threaten Turkey or should Turkey invade at the first opportunity, after over 10,000 thousand Greek troops leave and the Greek junta conducts a coup with a mere 450 ELDYK(Greek Forces in Cyprus) on the island giving Turkey a perfect pretext to invade with little opposition? Turkey being run by its military is good for the fascist national interests of this state but for its population it is good for nothing other than making their society more fanatic and poor. Turkey is always on the offence attacking other nations with states, Armenia, Syria, Greece and nations without states even such as Kurds to protect what its militaristic elite considers their interest. Now the Turkish population is at whole very sick and actually respects its military and this military's control of the state. Turkey and Turkish society handles the Armenian genocide in a very militaristic manner, on a near constant offensive against the truth and reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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