THOTH Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Stormy while I can agree with this - to a point - we should all be aware of mans inhumanity to others/ourselves...I think that the case of the Armenian Genocide and its continued denial has some very specific lessons etc that require special attention. First off the tragedy of the Armenian nation to me - was as severe as it gets - and is such a testament to the snuffing of a vibrant culture and people - in their homeland by the forces of state power and by essentially an invading people (culmination of etc)...so many lessons really...and then the aspect of the aggrassive denial - and that political circumstances have allowed for such. SO yes - I don't at all begrudge any peoples to call out for recognintion of their tragedies - and I fully support such - and I fully support condemnations of those forces etc responsible for such - but I do believe that the Armenians are deserving of some closure - recognition and all the rest - not just because I am Armenian - but certainly there is a personal aspect to this desire as well - but it is a clear lesson for all of us - a clear and very relevant lesson for all peoples I think. And I believe that the Turks as a people are particualry stained - in the modern era - for their governments and academia's clear refusal to adopt a mature and repentenant attitude towards the crimes. I think that full recognition and remorse etc is necessry for the Turkish people to fully enter the modern era. Not that other peoples etc could also do with more contemplation of thier histories (recent and otherwise)in this regard - but this campaign of denial and deception (outward as well as inward) is particularly shameful IMO. I also understand why this is so - as the Turkish republic is founded on this idea of the Turks as victims and that they were betrayd etc etc - but isnt it about tie that the Tuks come to grips with reality and move on from their nation creation myth? Wouldn't this say much for the maturation of the culture/people? But perhaps they just are not yet ready - for a variety of reasons...and a great shame that is. But in the meantime no Turk should expect love from Armenians..again a shame - because I think there is much in the common history and common culture to be valued - and I think that both sides need to be able to grow beyond this - and eventually accept and forgive and move on - and perhaps one day be an example to others in this regard...yeah I'm an idealist...but what can I say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Thoth, This was the humour thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Oh...yeah Ok...but there are certainly many aspects to this sort of denial - even if they are funny - like that American guy Weems - that still hit home to me and make me very sad and angry. I'm sorry - but I can't help feeling this way. And lok at this - here I have taken a humor thread and tried to make it more serious...LOL Just what will Domino think of me now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 I think you are doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Yes the wrath of Domino! ..but i have always made it a point to defy the gods...oin any and every way possible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 "More from Keenan Pars, chairman of comparative genocide," Stormy, are you sure this guy is chairman of comparative genocide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Fadichik, is that a serious question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Fadichik, is that a serious question? Yeah Fadchickadee...this is the humor thread remember? LOL But yeah Storms..I second the Fadchicks question...just what is this comparative Genocide whatever...? Another one of these "Armenian Studies" like Turkish propaganda fronts? (no dobt)...or something non-exsistant/made up - like Weems? Ah the ATAA - such a legitimate outfit themselves eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Fadichik, is that a serious question? I was serious, since from the bullcrap he has writen on the net, I was surprised that a psychotic like him would be the chairman of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 "Comparative genocide studies," I'm sure, cannot exist, but in case it does, my apologies. And "chairman" because he's such a clown. Come on, what's wrong with you guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Comparative genocide studies exist, not only this it has an affiliation here in Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted December 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Oh dear, you are right, and not only in Canada but also in the Netherlands and elsewhere. Sorrrrrrrrrrrry! I had just meant to be sarcastic about the "comparative" part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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